Ultra Street Fighter 4 Discussion Thread

bush

Azza wrote: »

Can punish Chuns fireball from full screen...muahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

Ive seen a video of it punishing an ex fireball but can it punish her mp fireball?

Azza

From my understand it can punish LP and EX from full screen and MP and HP can be punished from 3/4 of the screen.

BanjoB

Azza wrote: »

From my understand it can punish LP and EX from full screen and MP and HP can be punished from 3/4 of the screen.

What are they inputs for bisons ultra 2???.
If he needs to crouch charge it'd be a plus

D4RK ONION

Nope. It's QFCx2 and all kicks

chopperbyrne

Azza wrote: »

From my understand it can punish LP and EX from full screen and MP and HP can be punished from 3/4 of the screen.

Chun's LP and HP fireballs have the same recovery frames and for her HP, she extends her arms forward so her hitbox is probably bigger too.

Only her MP fireball has better recovery.

bush

Id say it will be hard to catch her mp fireball with it. I still dont fully understand that ultra. Do you have to be grounded for it to hit?

blag

I'm pretty sure you need to be on the ground for it to hit and if someone throws it out randomly you can just jump out of it.

You can just block it either and it's blocked like a normal stomp, but it can cross up so I guess jumping out will be the safest option.

Kirby

You would think so but in one of the videos I saw it hit in the air. perhaps if you jump into it while hes in the air.

bush

Kirby wrote: »

You would think so but in one of the videos I saw it hit in the air. perhaps if you jump into it while hes in the air.

Man this ultra sounds like its going to be a pain in the arse.

Kirby

I have no issue with the ultra itself. Its very good but everyone should have good ultra's. Except guile and sim.

So good ultra. good stuff. the fact that it isn't charge though is a bit worrying. I can see why they did it for the charge chars like bison guile and chun. But I dont think I agree with it. There are possible balance issues there.

Placebo

sure chnuli can punish fireballs with her ultra, but smart people will

FADC a fireball

so expect that from us from now on too [against bison]

blag

Kirby wrote: »

You would think so but in one of the videos I saw it hit in the air. perhaps if you jump into it while hes in the air.

Do you have a link to that vid,I've been too busy lately to keep up with all the new stuff

Kirby

I don't I'm afraid. But I distinctly remember a bison doing it to a guy who was trapped in the corner, and he jumped and he got hit by the ultra in mid air. It was actually the first video I saw of the ultra in action. was a while ago.

Dreddybajs

Kirby wrote: »

I have no issue with the ultra itself. Its very good but everyone should have good ultra's. Except guile and sim.

So good ultra. good stuff. the fact that it isn't charge though is a bit worrying. I can see why they did it for the charge chars like bison guile and chun. But I dont think I agree with it. There are possible balance issues there.

In every game it's like a 50/50 chance whether Chun's stuff will be charge or motion. :pac:

Kirby

Yes, and look what happens when its not. She gets top tier and is broken

You know what I mean though.

Azza

The total length of time for each of Chuns fireballs is.

44 for LP
41 for MP
41 for HP
48 for EX

The frame data can be found on this page.
http://www.shoryuken.com/wiki/index.php/Chun-Li_%28SFIV%29

The none set ups for it are the same as his set up for his current ultra. Just focus attack crumples and his air taget combo J.MP x2. The timing on the second set up timing is mean't to be very tight.

Bison has a third set up up in SF IV but the odds of landing it are less than wining the loto. EX.Skull Diver is a crazy +14 on hit allowing Bison to combo into his ultra. The problem is Bison never has charge unless someone actually walks forward into the Skull Diver. If his new ultra is as fast or faster than his old one then he may be able to set up his Ultra from that. It makes little difference though as Skull Diver is a very poor move.

The new ultra does not hit in the air. This has been confirmed in several reports and tests. As you can see below.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZKJPVS1OiQ

It can be blocked but must be blocked high.

The whole idea of it is to address the issue 2 of Bisons main issues in SF IV.

1. He does bugger all damage punishing mistakes. He can rarely punishing mistakes with anything more than a 2 hit combo. At best his current punishers do a max of 254 damage and even the opportunity to do that is rare and its a tight link. Some of these punishers have been nerfed further in SSF IV.

2. Getting around fireballs. A big advantage that Sagat, Ryu, Chun and Guile have the advantage over Bison is that he has no reliable way around their fireballs. I can't see it working from anything but close range against Guile but the other 3 match ups it should help address the balance. Once he can approach from the ground and doesn't have to deal with these characters anti air or air games be on more even terms.

bush

Nevermind

BanjoB

So what's the story with the new online modes.
Are there team battles now? Heard endless battle is a type of "I got next" where u can watch the fights till it's your turn???.

Sisko

yeah that's it alright, could be good craic. Although it'll suck on console due to slow communication methods. & even if they do port it to PC I doubt they'll add a proper in-game chat.

Kirby

Slow comms? You must be just referring to ps3. everyone on 360 uses the mic. Its painless.

Sisko

8 or so randomers chatting online using voice can be annoying, text chat has its advantages, I could go on more about this but you've played PC games so I'm sure you know what I mean.

K.O.Kiki

PS3 accepts any keyboard

Sisko

I'm talking about something like this:



which was great on the pc for those winner stays on matches for the spectating players to chat to each other.

I use my keyboards with my ps3 a lot, its not what I'm talking about.

That could easily be added to the pc version of SSF4 but instead of taking advantage of PC we're left with dumbed down console features, or lack there of which is a shame.

K.O.Kiki

You say "dumbed down", I say "less cluttered"...

Sisko

Less cluttered with good features? I suppose you can put it like that.

That chat screen could be turned on or off, the people playing wouldn't see it unless they wanted to.

chopperbyrne

Such a PC elitist...

Sisko

When I'm right, I'm right :cool:

Even 2df and ggpo have better ways of communicating, because they're on pc.

bush

So voice chat is a dumbed down version of text chat, ye? :P


FADC have some videos of justin wong playing super at pax.

http://www.youtube.com/user/FrameAdvantageDotCom

Sisko

hehe no You know what I mean, there's a reason people on irc don't all just use team speak instead. They both have their place. Dumbed down is referencing how some PC games end up with console featuers only, instead of basic things that should be there but the devs got lazy.

It'd just be nice if we get a pc version, to be able to text chat during these winner stays on sessions like you can in most other PC titles, instead of being limited to using more of an e-mail based system, or using the horrible gfwl voice feature which makes everyone sound like robots.


YAY IBUKI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNCtX1Fw_Yg

Dreddybajs

Yeah, it's seriously crap there's no text chat, having to wait between matches for a few minutes to send GFWL messages sucks ass.


edit: brainfart