Ultra Street Fighter 4 Discussion Thread

Doctor DooM

as incredible as it sounds, cody is easier to use than shotos, I can see a lot of people using him online, skills or not, anyone can do a lot with cody, Vega is a lot better too, one local Vega player was giving us headaches, flying barcelona will hit any character when using it on combos, will no longer whiff

Sounds like flowchart cody may appear.

also good news for Ken B, Mod knows his charge characters.

Doctor DooM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrLYkaRN2v0

Azza

Reading about some changes to Bison

His throw has been buffed to 140. Up 10.

All Psycho Crushers are up 10 damage.

HP Psycho Crusher seems safe if blocked point blank.

Bison can't punish Honda's LP and EX Headbutts on block but can punish Blanka balls with reversal ultra.

Ex.Psycho Crusher goes through fireballs once Bison is fully horizontal after start up.

Some people are reporting Bisons S.HK more horizontal range, some reporting more vertical range that makes it much better AA while others say its unchanged.

Some people reporting that his slide is safer and that his c.hp is better but others say they are the same.

Most reckon c.lk links are much easier to perform but c.mk may have been nerfed on start up speed.

J.MP may have got better priority

Ultra 1 has been dropped to 492 damage down from 540.

Dunjohn

They've split the trials up into individual levels? That's cool, even if it slows down the easy ones. It seems they've also moved the Normal Lv. 5 onesdown to where Lv. 2 would be, right after the basic specials. Makes more sense, but they were like a nice, relaxing cooldown after the stress and finger-damage of Lv. 4.

Doctor DooM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_LdCfR-54Q

Sisko

Did people know this was possible? I didnt know at all , thought it could only be combod from a teleport or something , seems a lot of chars can combo/link into ultras now without FADCing or focus.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyONJkUK3A4

bush

Sisko wrote: »

Did people know this was possible? I didnt know at all , thought it could only be combod from a teleport or something , seems a lot of chars can combo/link into ultras now without FADCing or focus.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyONJkUK3A4

Im pretty sure he does a teleport into ultra after the fierce.

Sisko

woah I see! (I think) when people said he teleported into the ultra thats not how I pictured it at all.

Doctor DooM

Doctor DooM

Looks like Ryu can cr mk xx hadoken FADC Metsu shoryu...

Azza

Emmm Kirby about Sim getting no changes in SSF IV.

Dhalsim dmg changes:

"Light Yoga Flame is up from 80 to 110, med went from 90 to 140 and hard 100 to 170 and EX Yoga Flame is 180.
Light Yoga Blast is up from 80 to 130, med 90 to 150 and hard 100 to 180, ex version does 140."


SSF4 - SF4
Close Light Punch 30 - 30
Close Medium Punch 60 - 50
Close Hard Punch 85 - 80
Close Light Kick 30 - 30
Close Medium Kick 70 - 60
Close Hard Kick 90 - 90
Back + Light Punch 50 - 50
Back + Medium Punch 70 - 70
Back + Hard Punch 120- 120
Back + Light Kick 40 - 40
Back + Medium Kick 70 - 70
Back + Hard Kick 110- 110
Down or Down Forward + Light Punch 25 - 15
Down or Down Forward + Medium Punch 60 - 50
Down or Down Forward + Hard Punch 80 - 70
Down or Down Forward + Light Kick 30 - 30
Down or Down Forward + Medium Kick 70 - 70
Down or Down Forward + Hard Kick 100- 100
Down Back + Light Punch 30 - 20
Down Back + Medium Punch 70 - 70
Down Back + Hard Punch 100- 80
Down Back + Light Kick 30 - 30
Down Back + Medium Kick 60 - 60
Down Back + Hard Kick 100- 100
Jump Light Punch 20 - 20
Jump Medium Punch 80 - 60
Jump Hard Punch 100- 70
Jump Light Kick 40 - 30
Jump Medium Kick 70 - 50
Jump Hard Kick 85 - 90
Jump, Back + Light Punch 40 - 20
Jump, Back + Medium Punch 70 - 40
Jump, Back + Hard Punch 85 - 70
Jump, Back + Light Kick 40 - 40
Jump, Back + Medium Kick 70 - 60
Jump, Back + Hard Kick 90 - 100
Foot Drill (Air) 70 - 60
Head Drill (Air) 90 - 80

This makes no mention of his improved normal throw.

Azza

Theme of Gen
http://www.aimini.net/view/?fid=MSbqoh2JbxGx75TZnGNg

Theme of Balrog
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZeE3jsRN5tI

Theme of Vega
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyXD290DZhQ

Theme of Adon
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LowxyZMiRQM


Theme of Dudley
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_Ox7ifjz70

Theme of Dhalsim
http://www.aimini.net/view/?fid=bgFVPMteqTtmhkjy9yao

Theme of E.Honda
http://www.aimini.net/view/?fid=E171Fe856iSAJd9ZnIEx

Theme of Guy
http://www.aimini.net/view/?fid=c1SFCIE4Gu78gXZH5WEx

Theme of Fei-Long
http://www.aimini.net/view/?fid=MUBQH4YFbn4teTXzthzr

Kirby

Suppose the nature of fighting games...balance being vital.. makes the "gone gold" phase not quite as final as other games. Alot of people assumed, myself included, that the version everybody played a month ago was the final one.

More fool me. Changes are good. Even if they arent all positive. We have stuff to analyse and it makes it more fun.

The heavy nerf of jumping fierce is a bit disappointing as its sims best weapon. But atleast his flame and upflame does decent damage now. Thats good.

Red350

Doctor DooM wrote: »

Looks like Ryu can cr mk xx hadoken FADC Metsu shoryu...

I think that's only at max range, and in the corner though.
It looks like metsu hadoken wasn't nerfed much damage wise either, so as long as his dp hasn't lost too much priority, he'll still be godly.

Cody's looking very interesting too. Loads of links, easy ultra setup, I'll have some of that!

Kirby

That Dhalsim tune brings back memories of ST. Needs more elephant roar though!

Doctor DooM

Red350 wrote: »

I think that's only at max range, and in the corner though.
It looks like metsu hadoken wasn't nerfed much damage wise either, so as long as his dp hasn't lost too much priority, he'll still be godly.

Cody's looking very interesting too. Loads of links, easy ultra setup, I'll have some of that!

I dunno if that'll make him godly any more. They definitely seem to be giving other characters more ways to land ultras. This has always been the dividing line in the tier list for 4.

I wonder how easy the AA FK Flash explosion is to do. It was technically possible in 4 (I saw it done in Cannes).

Doctor DooM

Kirby wrote: »

The heavy nerf of jumping fierce is a bit disappointing as its sims best weapon. But atleast his flame and upflame does decent damage now. Thats good.

Considering the nerfs some others are getting, you can't really complain though, nor can I apparently although I'm still a little low on details.

Azza

Kirby wrote:

The heavy nerf of jumping fierce is a bit disappointing as its sims best weapon. But atleast his flame and upflame does decent damage now. Thats good.

Your looking at that wrong, its been buffed by 30 damage.

Sim is going own the shoto's for free.

chopperbyrne

Apparently at the event in Manchester there were two T. Hawks in the top three and one of them was the winner.

Not sure if it was just a new characters only tourney though.

Azza

chopperbyrne wrote:

Apparently at the event in Manchester there were two T. Hawks in the top three and one of them was the winner.

Not sure if it was just a new characters only tourney though.

It was probably a T.Hawk only competition with only 2 entrants.

Kirby

Azza wrote: »

Your looking at that wrong, its been buffed by 30 damage.

Sim is going own the shoto's for free.

:eek: Was that a ninja edit? Or are my eyes all wonky. Well thats quite good than. People are saying the range is decresed tho. Like the standing variant. But if the damage is better I don't see a problem with that. Give a little, Get a little.

And not all shoto's. I'd imagine Akuma is still quite hard.

Orim

chopperbyrne wrote: »

Apparently at the event in Manchester there were two T. Hawks in the top three and one of them was the winner.

Not sure if it was just a new characters only tourney though.

It was new characters only.

Creature

Kirby wrote: »

That Dhalsim tune brings back memories of ST. Needs more elephant roar though!

DON'T EVEN JOKE ABOUT IT!!

chopperbyrne wrote: »

Apparently at the event in Manchester there were two T. Hawks in the top three and one of them was the winner.

Not sure if it was just a new characters only tourney though.

I bet the winner was pink.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Doctor DooM

Creature wrote: »

DON'T EVEN JOKE ABOUT IT!!



I bet the winner was pink.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

You know Chopper bagsied the pink first, right?

Creature

No way. Myself and Blag were in there first as Team Pink Hawk. Though Chopper is welcome to join if he wishes.

Doctor DooM

Creature wrote: »

No way. Myself and Blag were in there first as Team Pink Hawk. Though Chopper is welcome to join if he wishes.

Personally, I think you should all fight for it

Red350

Doctor DooM wrote: »

I dunno if that'll make him godly any more. They definitely seem to be giving other characters more ways to land ultras. This has always been the dividing line in the tier list for 4.

I don't think ultra's are what make the tiers, if that were the case then gen, cammy, abel and gouken would be a lot higher.
It's definitely a big factor, but it's more about footsies and high confirmable damage/stun output imo.

Creature

Doctor DooM wrote: »

Personally, I think you should all fight for it

Ah no, there's no need for that. Hawk appreciators should stick together, we need all the help we can get against the ever growing evil Sagat presence.

Red350

Orim wrote: »

The ability to easily land an ultra was definitely a part of being up there. Akuma is the only top tier that doesn't have an easy set-up ultra.

I agree that's it part of it, but it's not necessary (as you said with akuma), and it's not a free ticket to top tier either (cammy, abel etc).

I don't think that other characters getting better ultras will stop ryu being as godly, it's ryu's combination of footsies/damage/ultra/zoning that makes him so good, and as far as we can tell so far, all they've done is reduce the damage on his ultra set up.
His ridiculous links are still intact, and though they do a bit less damage, so does everyone else.

As I was saying, the one thing that's undetermined is the priority on his dp, that'll make or break it for ryu making a return to top tier.

Dreddybajs

Apparently his DP sucks ass now, no damage and trades with almost everything.