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The silencing of EU citizens

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  • 25-09-2009 12:38am
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    imeddyhobbs
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    So we know that the EU is spending bucket loads of money promoting a yes vote to the Lisbon treaty here in Ireland and we know that all the big company's want us to vote yes but does anyone have any idea how the people of other EU country's would like us to vote?

    Isn't it interesting that we know about what intel,ryanair,microsoft want us to do but we dont seem to have a clue what other citizens of the EU think about our vote,we have little or no stats from any government in the EU regarding this


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    mickoneill30
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    imeddyhobbs wrote: »
    So we know that the EU is spending bucket loads of money promoting a yes vote to the Lisbon treaty here in Ireland and we know that all the big company's want us to vote yes but does anyone have any idea how the people of other EU country's would like us to vote?

    Who cares how they would like us to vote? I'll vote in my country for the way I'd like to vote. I don't care if a French guy wants me to vote No or a German wants me to vote Yes.
    imeddyhobbs wrote: »
    Isn't it interesting that we know about what intel,ryanair,microsoft want us to do but we dont seem to have a clue what other citizens of the EU think about our vote,we have little or no stats from any government in the EU regarding this

    Intel, Ryanair & Microsoft hire thousands of people in Ireland and invest millions to our economy so I don't think it's unusual that they're interested in the outcome of the Lisbon treaty. How many huge employers want us to vote no?


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    Captain Furball
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    mickoneill30 wrote: »
    Who cares how they would like us to vote? I'll vote in my country for the way I'd like to vote. I don't care if a French guy wants me to vote No or a German wants me to vote Yes.
    I would question how European you are so.


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    meglome
    Registered Users Posts: 7,980 ✭✭✭meglome


    imeddyhobbs wrote: »
    So we know that the EU is spending bucket loads of money promoting a yes vote to the Lisbon treaty here in Ireland and we know that all the big company's want us to vote yes but does anyone have any idea how the people of other EU country's would like us to vote?

    How much money are the EU spending exactly? Why would it matter how eother EU country's want us to vote. We are voting in Ireland on what's best for Ireland. They can decide what's best for them in their own country's.
    imeddyhobbs wrote: »
    Isn't it interesting that we know about what intel,ryanair,microsoft want us to do but we dont seem to have a clue what other citizens of the EU think about our vote,we have little or no stats from any government in the EU regarding this

    No it's not interesting. Intel, Ryanair, Microsoft are in Ireland and employ thousands of Irish people.


    And sorry who is being silenced exactly? You seem to be able to come in here and talk nonsense all you want.


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    mickoneill30
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    Captain Furball wrote: »
    I would question how European you are so.

    Really? Question away. Does Europe want us to vote against our own interests? Would you vote for something that benefits Europe but has a negative affect on Ireland? Why?

    Which Europeans do you listen to? The ones telling you to vote yes or the ones telling you to vote no because there are plenty of both. And why?


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    Robbo
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    imeddyhobbs wrote: »
    Isn't it interesting that we know about what intel,ryanair,microsoft want us to do but we dont seem to have a clue what other citizens of the EU think about our vote,we have little or no stats from any government in the EU regarding this
    Perhaps some system of proxy referenda in the other 26 member states, a couple of months before polling day, just to give us an idea which way the wind is blowing? If that shows up a Yes, claim we're being railroaded. If it shows up a No, claim it's the will of the people.


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    imeddyhobbs
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    mickoneill30 wrote: »
    Who cares how they would like us to vote? I'll vote in my country for the way I'd like to vote. I don't care if a French guy wants me to vote No or a German wants me to vote Yes.

    EU citizens will have to live by this treaty if we pass it so they will have a little bit of interest in what is going on in Ireland and its their money that is being spent here in Ireland promoting a yes vote,its not an us and them..try and keep up


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    mickoneill30
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    imeddyhobbs wrote: »
    its not an us and them..try and keep up

    Most of the EU has ratified this treaty as far as I can tell.
    Who said it was us and them?
    The attempt at wit doesn't really mean your post is smart. It's not hard to keep up with some of the wit here.


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    imeddyhobbs
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    Robbo wrote: »
    Perhaps some system of proxy referenda in the other 26 member states, a couple of months before polling day, just to give us an idea which way the wind is blowing? If that shows up a Yes, claim we're being railroaded. If it shows up a No, claim it's the will of the people.

    Nah,surely there would be an easier way?I would suggest a simple poll.you must be a bureaucrat...


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    imeddyhobbs
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    mickoneill30 wrote: »
    Most of the EU has ratified this treaty as far as I can tell.
    Who said it was us and them?
    Some dutch dude or french guy im not sure.


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    Captain Furball
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    mickoneill30 wrote: »
    Really? Question away. Does Europe want us to vote against our own interests? Would you vote for something that benefits Europe but has a negative affect on Ireland? Why?

    Which Europeans do you listen to? The ones telling you to vote yes or the ones telling you to vote no because there are plenty of both. And why?
    I see what your trying to do saturate me with loads of questions lol.
    Who are Europe to tell you what to do? You said it yourself.
    What is our own interests though?Name a few.


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    mickoneill30
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    Captain Furball wrote: »
    I see what your trying to do saturate me with loads of questions lol.
    Who are Europe to tell you what to do? You said it yourself.
    What is our own interests though?Name a few.

    I'm sorry. Obviously many questions in one post confuse you. I'll make it simple and ask only one.

    Are you for real?

    Edit: Don't bother. I don't care. Not really worth it.


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    meglome
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    Captain Furball wrote: »
    I see what your trying to do saturate me with loads of questions lol.
    Who are Europe to tell you what to do? You said it yourself.
    What is our own interests though?Name a few.

    For the craic try to answer some of them.


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    Captain Furball
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    I can't im not smart enough :(


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    imeddyhobbs
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    Intel, Ryanair & Microsoft have made billions out of Ireland and will continue to do so,the truth is that intel,microsoft and ryanair have already let go 100's of staff here in very recent history but yet the bosses of these companys tell us that a yes vote will create jobs...LOL...need i say more about these captains of industry who only care about money


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    imeddyhobbs
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    Captain Furball wrote: »
    I can't im not smart enough :(

    another one dealt with:D


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    meglome
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    imeddyhobbs wrote: »
    Intel, Ryanair & Microsoft have made billions out of Ireland and will continue to do so,the truth is that intel,microsoft and ryanair have already let go 100's of staff here in very recent history but yet the bosses of these companys tell us that a yes vote will create jobs...LOL...need i say more about these captains of industry who only care about money

    Maybe you should ask all the thousands of people they employ. Do you run a business? I do and I think the Lisbon treaty is very good. I don't exploit anyone, I don't cheat anyone, I don't underpay anyone so am I one of these 'elites'?

    You people would drag us all back to the stone-age, I just hope that people won't be fooled by all the bull and will vote Yes.


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    imeddyhobbs
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    meglome wrote: »
    How much money are the EU spending exactly? Why would it matter how eother EU country's want us to vote. We are voting in Ireland on what's best for Ireland. They can decide what's best for them in their own country's.
    And sorry who is being silenced exactly? You seem to be able to come in here and talk nonsense all you want.

    Over the past 6 or 7 weeks all i seem to be reading on the front of national newspapers and all i seem to be hearing on the airwaves is about another group that favours a yes vote to lisbon thats a fact and that is what the major media outlets in this country have been telling us,another surey by another group another yes is concocted
    My point is that there has been so many surveys done in Ireland but i have not been made aware of 1 that comes from mainland europe,dont they conduct surveys on topics like this on the continent?are we all alone here?


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    imeddyhobbs
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    meglome wrote: »
    Maybe you should ask all the thousands of people they employ. Do you run a business? I do and I think the Lisbon treaty is very good. I don't exploit anyone, I don't cheat anyone, I don't underpay anyone so am I one of these 'elites'?

    You people would drag us all back to the stone-age, I just hope that people won't be fooled by all the bull and will vote Yes.

    No i dont employ people.As for the rest of your little rant i never suggested you did any of the things you mentioned and i never said that any other company did,ease up on the gin


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    meglome
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    imeddyhobbs wrote: »
    Over the past 6 or 7 weeks all i seem to be reading on the front of national newspapers and all i seem to be hearing on the airwaves is about another group that favours a yes vote to lisbon thats a fact and that is what the major media outlets in this country have been telling us,another surey by another group another yes is concocted
    My point is that there has been so many surveys done in Ireland but i have not been made aware of 1 that comes from mainland europe,dont they conduct surveys on topics like this on the continent?are we all alone here?

    Ah I see anyone who disagrees with you is lying, a cheat, an elite. I dunno, maybe you're just wrong.

    Every country in the EU decided what way they wanted to vote on the Lisbon treaty in the manner set out by their laws. We need a referendum, they don't. What right do we have to decide what the rest of the EU wants?

    When anyone from the EU suggests that we should vote Yes we are told they are 'bullying us' so are we now bullying the rest of the EU by trying to decide for them?


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    imeddyhobbs
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    meglome wrote: »
    Ah I see anyone who disagrees with you is lying, a cheat, an elite. I dunno, maybe you're just wrong.

    Every country in the EU decided what way they wanted to vote on the Lisbon treaty in the manner set out by their laws. We need a referendum, they don't. What right do we have to decide what the rest of the EU wants?

    When anyone from the EU suggests that we should vote Yes we are told they are 'bullying us' so are we now bullying the rest of the EU by trying to decide for them?

    Hold on..wait a sec...Lying,cheat,elete?what are you on about?are you posting in the wrong thread??sorry friend but im gonna have to report you to a mod for not staying on topic,did you have a good Arthurs day?i only ask because it sounds like you did


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    Daftendirekt
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    imeddyhobbs wrote:
    So we know that the EU is spending bucket loads of money promoting a yes vote to the Lisbon treaty here in Ireland and we know that all the big company's want us to vote yes but does anyone have any idea how the people of other EU country's would like us to vote?

    Isn't it interesting that we know about what intel,ryanair,microsoft want us to do but we dont seem to have a clue what other citizens of the EU think about our vote,we have little or no stats from any government in the EU regarding this

    Are you claiming the EU are funding the Yes campaign in Ireland?

    I think some evidence wouldn't go amiss.


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    K-9
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    Daftendirekt wrote: »
    OP, are you claiming the EU are funding the Yes campaign in Ireland?

    I think some evidence wouldn't go amiss.

    We know the EU are funding leaflets.

    The UKIP ones!

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    Captain Furball
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    imeddyhobbs wrote: »
    Hold on..wait a sec...Lying,cheat,elete?what are you on about?are you posting in the wrong thread??sorry friend but im gonna have to report you to a mod for not staying on topic,did you have a good Arthurs day?i only ask because it sounds like you did
    He likes to be different people.
    Give him a break he has a long shift.


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    TheScribbler
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    At least you guys get the opportunity to vote even if the EU gives you another shot at it because you clearly didn't understand the issues last time around (being ironic). In our case the Blair/Brown Labour Government refused to give the electorate in GB & NI any say on Lisbon and it is hugely unpopular. Roll on Cameron as he has promised to give the public a vote.


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    imeddyhobbs
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    Daftendirekt wrote: »
    OP, are you claiming the EU are funding the Yes campaign in Ireland?

    I think some evidence wouldn't go amiss.

    I didn't think this was a secret,what was José Manuel Barroso doing here during the week and who paid for that?


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    Daftendirekt
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    imeddyhobbs wrote: »
    I didn't think this was a secret,what was José Manuel Barroso doing here during the week and who paid for that?

    I have no idea. You tell me.


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    mayordenis
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    meglome wrote: »
    Ah I see anyone who disagrees with you is lying, a cheat, an elite. I dunno, maybe you're just wrong.

    Every country in the EU decided what way they wanted to vote on the Lisbon treaty in the manner set out by their laws. We need a referendum, they don't. What right do we have to decide what the rest of the EU wants?

    When anyone from the EU suggests that we should vote Yes we are told they are 'bullying us' so are we now bullying the rest of the EU by trying to decide for them?

    what are you on about at all?


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    TheScribbler
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    There was an interesting take on the impending irish elections given in the Sunday Times a week ago that was suggestive that the Yes campaign was being publicly funded in Ireland. Is this appropriate that taxpayers should be payhing for governemtn publicity to urge the people to say Yes?


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    K-9
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    TheScribbler wrote: »
    There was an interesting take on the impending irish elections given in the Sunday Times a week ago that was suggestive that the Yes campaign was being publicly funded in Ireland. Is this appropriate that taxpayers should be payhing for governemtn publicity to urge the people to say Yes?

    Check out the UKIP intereference.

    Seems it's ok when when UKIP are involved.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



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    Daftendirekt
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    TheScribbler wrote: »
    There was an interesting take on the impending irish elections given in the Sunday Times a week ago that was suggestive that the Yes campaign was being publicly funded in Ireland. Is this appropriate that taxpayers should be payhing for governemtn publicity to urge the people to say Yes?

    In fairness, without further information we can't really comment.


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