If the EU constitution was passed, what would be your greatest concerns?

Run_to_da_hills

If the European constitution Lisbon was passed what would be your top greatest concerns if the authorities were to draft in new civil measures into the country?.

Apart from breeding baby eating Dingos in Latvia and micro chipping the elderly mine would be just some of the following. :eek:

One child per family law in an attempt to cut down on population growth.

Compulsory drafting into the military on the reaching of 18 years of age for two years.This would be particularly hard on small families in the case of casualty.

Mandatory vaccination for infectious diseases. No explanation needed.

Multi usage programmable ID cards to be carried at all times failure to do so would result in a compulsory fine and arrest.

Compulsory use of ID Smartcard or administration codes to access the Internet. Introduced in internet cafe's then rolled out across the board. It would creep in as a trojan for assisting the authorities track down "terrorist" VOIP calls, "child porn" "cyber crime" spam etc. The sheeple would buy it because they would believe that it would make the internet and society "safer" :rolleyes:

Restrictions on freedom of speech, banning of blog or web sites that deem damaging to the interests of the Union. This would be drafted in to help prevent "terrorist organizations" from setting up and "corrupting" the public with "alternative meda". :rolleyes:

Smart card only access for all public transport that would double up as an ID card. This would be introduced for pensioners, welfare and those on disability allowing free transport access but electronically restricting them during peak hours. This will give those on state benefits a good incentive to use them rather than use the normal transit cards. Eventually all Euro ID cards could be programmed to operate on transit touch pads

Smart card requirement for the purchase of all alcohol, tobacco or any materials that deem a threat. Beer, fags knives, hand tools etc will have RFID track & trace devices built into them in case they end up in the wrong hands.

Electronic rationing utilizing the EAN bar code / ETag along with your personal smart card. This will also keep track of your global warming tax credits on all consumer purchases.

Random curfews in time of civil strife or demonstration. Military police could be deployed on the streets of Dublin within hours by drafted them in from abroad. The port tunnel would give them prompt access into the city center.

Electronically locking individuals out of the public transport system. This would not be a bad idea for preventing convicted vandals from traveling on rail or bus services. However if the authorities had suspicion of any subversives they could also lock them out. They could also introduce laws that children under a certain age must be "touched" in with an adult or registered guardians.

Registration of all mobile handsets making it illegal to own or operate an unregistered pay as you go phone. Already enforced in France, this could be very easily drafted in here making service providers having a cut off point for those that fail to register IMEI and sim cards.

Compulsory fitting of electronic GPS tracking device to all vehicles for monitoring a "carbon tax" based on useage and distance covered. It would be far more accurate than the current ANPR system used in London and could also be compatible with toll roads, bridges etc.

major bill

smart card, human rights been diminished, depopulation, forced vaccinations.

i think if it were to happen itl be done over the course of many years and we wont realise.

Victor

I'm really worried that the toilets downstairs are out of order.

pharmer08

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banned by bonkey for personal abuse

Four-Too

Great post. Sad that most people don't know about this, or don't believe it. This is our future, unless something dramatically changes in the way we live.

Go to youtube, and look at the pro-Lisbon advert, the subliminal "Yes" is incredible. Top RHS, a "we belong" advert. What a load of bollox it is, I hope people can see thru it.

meglome

Hi Rtdh, I'm very confused, the EU constitution was mothballed years ago. What constitution are you talking about?

And I appreciate that this is a CT forum but that list is stuff is so silly it's funny. You realise that the EU is the EU countries? We are the EU, so none of this can happen without us wanting it to happen. We would have to vote in the laws to allow what you claim and let's face it that is never going to happen.

Captain Furball

meglome wrote: »

Hi Rtdh, I'm very confused, the EU constitution was mothballed years ago. What constitution are you talking about?

And I appreciate that this is a CT forum but that list is stuff is so silly it's funny. You realise that the EU is the EU countries? We are the EU, so none of this can happen without us wanting it to happen. We would have to vote in the laws to allow what you claim and let's face it that is never going to happen.

They changed the title did anyone not tell you/yee?

Run_to_da_hills

Captain Furball wrote: »

Is that you king tut?Go read some comic books kid

A simple IP check from Boards admin would find that out.

meglome wrote: »

Hi Rtdh, I'm very confused, the EU constitution was mothballed years ago. What constitution are you talking about?

And I appreciate that this is a CT forum but that list is stuff is so silly it's funny. You realise that the EU is the EU countries? We are the EU, so none of this can happen without us wanting it to happen. We would have to vote in the laws to allow what you claim and let's face it that is never going to happen.

You in particular being well educated in European politics should not at all be confused.

Are you familiar with Dublin Bus?

They change the colours of their vehicles quite regularly.

The EU Parlament do pretty much the same with their treatys.

The reason the "European Constitution" was shoehorned into the "Lisbon Treaty" was to hoodwink the French and the Dutch who already rejected the same fu*ing treaty. :rolleyes:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_establishing_a_Constitution_for_Europe

Captain Furball

I don't think he realizes yet that they just changed the title and jumbled up a few words.

meglome

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

A simple IP check from Boards admin would find that out.

Woo hoo I'm a CT now. Ah thanks lads. (But feel free to have them check)

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

You in particular being well educated in European politics should not at all be confused.

Are you familiar with Dublin Bus?

They change the colours of their vehicles quite regularly.

The EU Parlament do pretty much the same with their treatys.

So the EU constitution treaty is exactly the same as the Lisbon treaty then?

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

The reason the "European Constitution" was shoehorned into the "Lisbon Treaty" was to hoodwink the French and the Dutch who already rejected the same fu*ing treaty. :rolleyes:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_establishing_a_Constitution_for_Europe

Hang on, you said above it was the same treaty but now you're saying it isn't the same. So are you saying that some elements are the same then?

Captain Furball wrote: »

I don't think he realizes yet that they just changed the title and jumbled up a few words.

Ah cool so you've read them, have you?

Captain Furball

meglome wrote: »

Ah cool so you've read them, have you?

Yes i have.
What time is your shift finished at? Wanna grab a bite to eat???

meglome

Captain Furball wrote: »

Yes i have.
What time is your shift finished at? Wanna grab a bite to eat???

Shift? I just don't sleep that much and I make use of my time by doing this stuff. I'm more than happy to do a CT meet-up at some point if you'd all like.

bonkey

parhmer08 banned for abuse.

A lot of responses to said post also deleted. Don't feed the trolls, guys.

For the rest of it...back on topic, please.

robtri

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

If the European constitution was passed what would be your top greatest concerns if the authorities were to draft in new civil measures into the country?.

Apart from breeding baby eating Dingos in Latvia and micro chipping the elderly mine would be just some of the following. :eek:

One child per family law in an attempt to cut down on population growth.

Compulsory drafting into the military on the reaching of 18 years of age for two years.This would be particularly hard on small families in the case of casualty.

Mandatory vaccination for infectious diseases. No explanation needed.

Multi usage programmable ID cards to be carried at all times failure to do so would result in a compulsory fine and arrest.

Compulsory use of ID Smartcard or administration codes to access the Internet. Introduced in internet cafe's then rolled out across the board. It would creep in as a trojan for assisting the authorities track down "terrorist" VOIP calls, "child porn" "cyber crime" spam etc. The sheeple would buy it because they would believe that it would make the internet and society "safer" :rolleyes:

Restrictions on freedom of speech, banning of blog or web sites that deem damaging to the interests of the Union. This would be drafted in to help prevent "terrorist organizations" from setting up and "corrupting" the public with "alternative meda". :rolleyes:

Smart card only access for all public transport that would double up as an ID card. This would be introduced for pensioners, welfare and those on disability allowing free transport access but electronically restricting them during peak hours. This will give those on state benefits a good incentive to use them rather than use the normal transit cards. Eventually all Euro ID cards could be programmed to operate on transit touch pads

Smart card requirement for the purchase of all alcohol, tobacco or any materials that deem a threat. Beer, fags knives, hand tools etc will have RFID track & trace devices built into them in case they end up in the wrong hands.

Electronic rationing utilizing the EAN bar code / ETag along with your personal smart card. This will also keep track of your global warming tax credits on all consumer purchases.

Random curfews in time of civil strife or demonstration. Military police could be deployed on the streets of Dublin within hours by drafted them in from abroad. The port tunnel would give them prompt access into the city center.

Electronically locking individuals out of the public transport system. This would not be a bad idea for preventing convicted vandals from traveling on rail or bus services. However if the authorities had suspicion of any subversives they could also lock them out. They could also introduce laws that children under a certain age must be "touched" in with an adult or registered guardians.

Registration of all mobile handsets making it illegal to own or operate an unregistered pay as you go phone. Already enforced in France, this could be very easily drafted in here making service providers having a cut off point for those that fail to register IMEI and sim cards.

Compulsory fitting of electronic GPS tracking device to all vehicles for monitoring a "carbon tax" based on useage and distance covered. It would be far more accurate than the current ANPR system used in London and could also be compatible with toll roads, bridges etc.

A lot of scarey stuff there alright, buts thats your style, big headlines no content, just like the sun newspaper
...
I am assuming that you can point to the relevant passages of the Lisbon treaty that allows these concerns of your to come into law when/if the lisbon traty is ratified....

6th

You guys are so lucky bonkey got to this thread first! I was reading it from my mobile just after 7 and had a fair few bans planned.

6th

robtri wrote: »

A lot of scarey stuff there alright, buts thats your style, big headlines no content, just like the sun newspaper

Another comment directed at a poster like that and you'll be getting an infraction.

MarkK

Four-Too wrote: »

53.2% of Irish people voted No to Lisbon

862,415 voted No, so by your reckoning there are less than 1.7 million Irish people. What happened to the rest of us?

Penn

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Are you familiar with Dublin Bus?

They change the colours of their vehicles quite regularly.

The EU Parlament do pretty much the same with their treatys.

Huh? So... because Dublin Bus changed the colour of some buses or something, you believe the EU is going to change the Treaty and pretty much enslave us all? I'm really not sure what you mean by this RTDH

robtri

MarkK wrote: »

862,415 voted No, so by your reckoning there are less than 1.7 million Irish people. What happened to the rest of us?

too lazy to vote... thats what happened

6th

paddyirishman85 wrote: »

Huh? So... because Dublin Bus changed the colour of some buses or something, you believe the EU is going to change the Treaty and pretty much enslave us all? I'm really not sure what you mean by this RTDH

Really? You dont get it?

He's simply comparing them and saying how they make changes to how they appear. Dublin bus isnt actually being brought into the CT.

MarkK

robtri wrote: »

too lazy to vote... thats what happened

But that does not mean they are no longer Irish People or does it?
Maybe they were converted to British Subjects by a grateful British Tory party and the British right wing press as a reward because they did not vote Yes.

Or maybe they have all be been EUthanised, I think we should be told!

robtri

MarkK wrote: »

But that does not mean they are no longer Irish People or does it?
Maybe they were converted to British Subjects by a grateful British Tory party and the British right wing press as a reward because they did not vote Yes.

Or maybe they have all be been EUthanised, I think we should be told!

Its simple of the people who voted 52% voted no....
people who don't vote don't get included in the numbers, because as they where generally to lazy to vote, its impossible to say what way they woulf have voted.....

therefore the only fair way of looking at stats for voting is to use the numbers of the actual peopl who voted.

I hope that makes sense to you

Penn

6th wrote: »

Really? You dont get it?

He's simply comparing them and saying how they make changes to how they appear. Dublin bus isnt actually being brought into the CT.

Thats what I thought, but Dublin Bus is a very specific reference. I mean, of all the things he could have chosen, all the laws and legislation which he could actually try to compare the Treaty to, he picked the colour of some buses. I mean, Dublin Bus never would have entered my mind if it was the other way round.

I just thought it was a very strange reference and thought the change in colour was a recent change which he was implying was something subliminal to get people to vote one way, ie. colour which affects your mood and may make you think more positively or something

MarkK

robtri wrote: »

Its simple of the people who voted 52% voted no....
people who don't vote don't get included in the numbers, because as they where generally to lazy to vote, its impossible to say what way they woulf have voted.....

My point was, why are the people who did not vote not considered to be Irish people?
"I don't care" is a valid choice and does not mean you ate no longer an Irish person.

Run_to_da_hills

Lads, this thread has gone seriously off topic, it was intended to discuss what one would fear should this treaty get through but has ended up in another political debate.

Back on topic.

I would also fear the dramatic increase of secularism even to the extent of religious persecution. A possible prohibition of the Angelus on TV and other religious broadcasts such as the Mass. Church services could also be banned from other places such as hospitals, schools and assembly halls. This type of secularism has been steadily progressing since 1964 in the US but could not be enforced into Europe as countries had independent sovereignty, but not any more.

One would have to apply for a permit to speak in public, preach or hand out fliers of any description . This would be electronically swiped to your personal smart card. Failure to comply would result in an immediate arrest. This law would be drafted in to prevent fear mongering and unlawful distribution of subversive material against the interest of the Union.

6th

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Lads, this thread has gone seriously off topic, it was intended to discuss what one would fear should this treaty get through but has ended up in another political debate.

Back on topic.

Despite it looking like backseat modding ... I approve this message. Further off topic posting will be deleted/infracted/banned.

meglome

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Lads, this thread has gone seriously off topic, it was intended to discuss what one would fear should this treaty get through but has ended up in another political debate.

Back on topic.

I would also fear the dramatic increase of secularism even to the extent of religious persecution. A possible prohibition of the Angelus on TV and other religious broadcasts such as the Mass. Church services could also be banned from other places such as hospitals, schools and assembly halls. This type of secularism has been steadily progressing since 1964 in the US but could not be enforced into Europe as countries had independent sovereignty, but not any more.

One would have to apply for a permit to speak in public, preach or hand out fliers of any description . This would be electronically swiped to your personal smart card. Failure to comply would result in an immediate arrest. This law would be drafted in to prevent fear mongering and unlawful distribution of subversive material against the interest of the Union.

Hang on Rtdh you almost seem like you're promoting this stuff. Maybe you want these things to happen. I'm suspicious.

bonkey

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

I would also fear the dramatic increase of secularism even to the extent of religious persecution.

Based on what? There's nothing in the Treaty to remotely suggest such a situation could come about.

One would have to apply for a permit to speak in public, preach or hand out fliers of any description .

Again, there's nothing in the treaty to remotely allow suggest such a situation could come about.

Looking your original list, there's nothing in the treaty which would suggest any of those situations either.

My biggest fear is that if the Lisbon Treaty is passsed, those who opposed it will agitate in some violent manner.

robtri

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Lads, this thread has gone seriously off topic, it was intended to discuss what one would fear should this treaty get through but has ended up in another political debate.

Back on topic.

I would also fear the dramatic increase of secularism even to the extent of religious persecution. A possible prohibition of the Angelus on TV and other religious broadcasts such as the Mass. Church services could also be banned from other places such as hospitals, schools and assembly halls. This type of secularism has been steadily progressing since 1964 in the US but could not be enforced into Europe as countries had independent sovereignty, but not any more.

One would have to apply for a permit to speak in public, preach or hand out fliers of any description . This would be electronically swiped to your personal smart card. Failure to comply would result in an immediate arrest. This law would be drafted in to prevent fear mongering and unlawful distribution of subversive material against the interest of the Union.

I aksed earlier and you didn't respond
And again I will ask, can you point me to the section on the lisbon treaty thats states these will become law.....???

meglome

bonkey wrote: »

My biggest fear is that if the Lisbon Treaty is passsed, those who opposed it will agitate in some violent manner.

Interesting idea bonkey. However I'm inclined to think if there's a Yes vote and when nothing bad actually happens people will just move along. Well until the next treaty when they say the exact same things will happen.

Penn

RTDH isn't saying these things will happen, or are in the Treaty, I think he's saying that he fears that giving the EU power to make 'smaller decisions' without the people having to vote on them will make some laws or ideas which exist in other EU countries be brought in over here.

Now, whether or not this is true or can happen is another story

robtri

paddyirishman85 wrote: »

RTDH isn't saying these things will happen, or are in the Treaty, I think he's saying that he fears that giving the EU power to make 'smaller decisions' without the people having to vote on them will make some laws or ideas which exist in other EU countries be brought in over here.

Now, whether or not this is true or can happen is another story

So thats like me saying... reason to vote yes for the Lisbon treay is that
The new EU will give us all a €1million each in cash....
the new EU will pay our income taxes for us
the new EU will gaurantee a job for everyone who wants one....
if you are correct about RTDH interpertation, then I am just as correct as he is... :P

lads this will be brilliant then

someoneok

That's the thing Meglome, there wont be any more treaties or at least any that the public will have a say in. Lisbon is a self amending treaty in which the Eurocrats will have the power to change whatever they like without the public consent.

Do you trust these folk you will never get to see, meet or elect?
Look at the Economy, similar in many ways, as the currency values are manipulated by very wealthy bankers. These people have manipulated their currencies to let the skim of the cream and consolidate their wealth.
What is to say given these powers in the political arena that they wont use them for their gain and our loss? The infrastructure is set up for them with those bloody cctv cameras everywhere. 1984 anyone?

meglome

someoneok wrote: »

That's the thing Meglome, there wont be any more treaties or at least any that the public will have a say in. Lisbon is a self amending treaty in which the Eurocrats will have the power to change whatever they like without the public consent.

Do you trust these folk you will never get to see, meet or elect?
Look at the Economy, similar in many ways, as the currency values are manipulated by very wealthy bankers. These people have manipulated their currencies to let the skim of the cream and consolidate their wealth.
What is to say given these powers in the political arena that they wont use them for their gain and our loss? The infrastructure is set up for them with those bloody cctv cameras everywhere. 1984 anyone?

Yawn... everything we need a referendum on now we will still need one on after Lisbon is passed. As least Rtdh is making up some new lies.

someoneok

meglome wrote: »

Yawn... everything we need a referendum on now we will still need one on after Lisbon is passed. As least Rtdh is making up some new lies.

You are the most dangerous person on this site. You are such a prolific poster, it's a pity anything I read is a lie. I hope people are aware of you. But you probably have many aliases.

studiorat

These are just the usual Ultra-Right wing scare tactics that COIR et al are using. If you listen to the kind of people the OP is getting his facts from that's exactly what you are going to think.

What's really happening here is that the OP is just reposting lies.

I'd like to ask the OP what exactly is his issue with Secularism?

rtdhThis type of secularism has been steadily progressing since 1964 in the US but could not be enforced into Europe as countries had independent sovereignty, but not any more.

George Bush"I don't know that atheists should be regarded as citizens, nor should they be regarded as patriotic. This is one nation under God."

:rolleyes:

bonkey

Meglome and someoneok both warned.

Read and follow the charter, guys

meglome

someoneok wrote: »

You are the most dangerous person on this site. You are such a prolific poster, it's a pity anything I read is a lie. I hope people are aware of you. But you probably have many aliases.

Coming from someone who signed up today that's pretty funny. I'll tell you what please go ask the mods to check the IP addresses, you have my permission for what it's worth. What they will find is I post from two different IP addresses which no one else uses to post.


I'll post this section from Article 48 for you.
"4. A conference of representatives of the governments of the Member States shall be convened by the President of the Council for the purpose of determining by common accord the amendments to be made to the Treaties.

The amendments shall enter into force after being ratified by all the Member States in accordance with their respective constitutional requirements."

It's very clear since our constitutional requirements are we need to have a referendum then we will still have to have a referendum - nothing changes. See using the actual treaty to change what I've said from opinion to fact.

studiorat

Just to debunk some of RTDH's dafter claims. Also bearing in mind that these things are just as "likely" to happen if there is a NO vote.

In fact I'd go so far as to say if some of the people who would actually support a NO vote got into government these things would be more likely.

Anyway!

Compulsory drafting into the military on the reaching of 18 years of age for two years.

The EU enshrines Irelands Neturality by recognizing it.

There are 6 neutral countries in Europe. In 4 out of the 6 netural or non-aligned countries conscription is mantatory, only Malta and Ireland don’t have conscription.

The Treaty does not force EU countries under NATO, nor does it force countries to raise their military spending.

Ireland sits on the board of the European Defence Agency (EDA), set up during the Irish 2004 EU presidency, but is not bound to follow its decisions.

In fact Lisbon will guarantee no conscription for Ireland. .

www.europeanmovement.ie/...Lisbon/C.2_Boys_to_war_primer_doc.pdf

Mandatory vaccination for infectious diseases. No explanation needed.

No explanation given in the first place. But just for the record this provision is already law in Ireland since the 1947 Health Act. It as usual has nothing to do with the Lisbon treaty, it has been the case in Ireland since 1947. :eek:

Random curfews in time of civil strife or demonstration. Military police could be deployed on the streets of Dublin within hours by drafted them in from abroad. The port tunnel would give them prompt access into the city center.

I love this, I think this precicely illustrates the poor factual basis of the OP. I take it your not from Dublin so… The Port Tunnel goes to Dublin Port, that’s why it’s called the Port Tunnel. :rolleyes:

Who’s telling you this rubbish?

Run_to_da_hills

studiorat wrote: »

I love this, I think this precisely illustrates the poor factual basis of the OP. I take it your not from Dublin so… The Port Tunnel goes to Dublin Port, that’s why it’s called the Port Tunnel. :rolleyes: Who’s telling you this rubbish?

It wouldn't have been practical to have the Port Tunnel entrance at top of O' Connell St. :rolleyes:

The port tunnel gives rapid access to the city center, it can also be sealed off at any notice.

One of the priority of the Nazi movement was to build up a massive infrastructure of Autobahn so that they could deploy the rapid movement of troops. There was not much need to monitor traffic as not too many had private cars back then.

In a similar way Ireland has got its motorway layout largely funded by the EU
They can also be commandeered by the military when the time comes if they have to deploy troops for civil order.

The catch will be that these these high quality roads will eventually be used to track and trace all traffic that passes on them this will be carried out by Electronic tolling and ETagging cars in the name of some EU enforced carbon tax Trojan. :rolleyes:

This system will be carried out by sophisticated CCTV and ANPR fitted gantries through out the network. The EU intends to build up a massive database to monitor the movements of every man woman and child in a project named "Project Intact"

Another worry for Ireland is the faith of our flag and what it stood for. More than likely the Union flag will supersede our national flag and will be raised and respected more than it at all times.

humanji

What I worry about most is giant mechanical spiders levelling our cities under the command of their leader, Supreme Chancellor Alex Jones.

Because there's just as much chance of that happening as there is of everything else that's listed here.

Mahatma coat

RTDH's concerns are not without merit tho

history shows, there might well be Lizzzzzzzzzzzzards shapin the destiny of Humanity

Mahatma coat

as for article 48 as its presented here I do view it as an openended backdoor to muck about with the treaty at a later date, it only needs the EUrucrat politicians to sign off on it without any major consultations, softly softly catchye monkey:D

I also dont like that the treaty was only put to a vote in some countries and was just foisted off on the rest of the countries as 'tis for the best' shush, dont be askin questions this took ages for ust to scheme up.

Run_to_da_hills

Mahatma coat wrote: »

as for article 48 as its presented here I do view it as an openended back door to muck about with the treaty at a later date, it only needs the Bureaucrat politicians

I also don't like that the treaty was only put to a vote in some countries and was just foisted off on the rest of the countries as 'tis for the best' shush, don't be asking questions this took ages for ust to scheme up.

It was put to just three countries out of 27, two rejected it outright and were ignored while the other one was forced to vote again

So much for democracy. Lads we are heading towards extremely worrying times and history dose repeat itself.

meglome

Mahatma coat wrote: »

RTDH's concerns are not without merit tho

history shows, there might well be Lizzzzzzzzzzzzards shapin the destiny of Humanity

Well unless the Lizzzzzzzzzzzzards can convince the Irish people to vote in a really bad treaty in the future then it can't happen. Do you think we're that stupid.

Mahatma coat wrote: »

as for article 48 as its presented here I do view it as an openended backdoor to muck about with the treaty at a later date, it only needs the EUrucrat politicians to sign off on it without any major consultations, softly softly catchye monkey:D

You can think the treaty is made from fairy dust but unless we vote in these future changes they can't happen.

Mahatma coat wrote: »

I also dont like that the treaty was only put to a vote in some countries and was just foisted off on the rest of the countries as 'tis for the best' shush, dont be askin questions this took ages for ust to scheme up.

Well you should have a word with all those EU country's because how they do things in their own country's is nothing to do with us. You know those country's that voted in governments whos stated policy was to ratify the Lisbon treaty.

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

It was put to just three countries out of 27, two rejected it outright and were ignored while the other one was forced to vote again

So much for democracy. Lads we are heading towards extremely worrying times and history dose repeat itself.

I think you're 'confused' there Rtdh. The old defunct EU constitution was put to the vote in 4 country's. 2 voted Yes and 2 vote no. The French and Dutch didn't like the state-like aspects of the constitution so the whole thing was cancelled. Because reform was needed the Lisbon treaty was put forward 4-5 years later, but it has none of the state-like language. They didn't need to redo anything here after the Lisbon No vote as we mostly voted No for things that were not in the treaty in the first place.

I think people forget that referendums are banned in some countries because of the ****e that happened in the past, the liars, the crazies that get involved make them more trouble than they are worth.

gerrycollins

my greatest fear that if the treaty is passed that the eu or might be called "Union" fail to use its voice as a group of countries on the global front all singing from the same hymn sheet so to speak.

Black Uhlan

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

If the European constitution Lisbon was passed what would be your top greatest concerns if the authorities were to draft in new civil measures into the country?.

I don't know about greatest concern but these kind of EU funded projects are a bit too close to Minority Report for me.,
I wonder if people will ever be arrested on suspicion that they were going to commit a crime? Don't blame me I'll vote no,


ADABTS: Automatic Detection of Abnormal Behaviour and Threats in crowded spaces.
http://docs.google.com/gview?a=v&q=cache%3ALXvnqLSrPjIJ%3Aec.europa.eu%2Fenterprise%2Fsecurity%2Fdoc%2Ffp7_project_flyers%2Fadabts.pdf+Adabts&hl=en&gl=uk

INDECT: http://cordis.europa.eu/fetch?CALLER=FP7_PROJ_EN&ACTION=D&DOC=4&CAT=PROJ&QUERY=011f30e52539:b685:00e1e967&RCN=89374

Xandrius

Im from Norway but live in Dublin, first of all Im really glad Norway is not part of the EU. Even though we get some EU laws that we have to live by since we are part of EFTA and that sucks a bit. But I really hope that you guys all say no to Lisbon so that it will all go to hell with that constitution. Im proud to be in the one EU country that actually gives a **** about what is going on with their country.

Run_to_da_hills

Black Uhlan wrote: »

I don't know about greatest concern but these kind of EU funded projects are a bit too close to Minority Report for me.,
I wonder if people will ever be arrested on suspicion that they were going to commit a crime? Don't blame me I'll vote no,


ADABTS: Automatic Detection of Abnormal Behaviour and Threats in crowded spaces.
http://docs.google.com/gview?a=v&q=cache%3ALXvnqLSrPjIJ%3Aec.europa.eu%2Fenterprise%2Fsecurity%2Fdoc%2Ffp7_project_flyers%2Fadabts.pdf+Adabts&hl=en&gl=uk

INDECT: http://cordis.europa.eu/fetch?CALLER=FP7_PROJ_EN&ACTION=D&DOC=4&CAT=PROJ&QUERY=011f30e52539:b685:00e1e967&RCN=89374

You can be danm sure doors will be kicked down left right and center if this gets through. The EU special "KGB" will would have access to emails, CCTV footage, transit records, purchase records, phone text messages. They will have them sussed out long before the need for ADABTS system.

meglome

Xandrius wrote: »

Im from Norway but live in Dublin, first of all Im really glad Norway is not part of the EU. Even though we get some EU laws that we have to live by since we are part of EFTA and that sucks a bit. But I really hope that you guys all say no to Lisbon so that it will all go to hell with that constitution. Im proud to be in the one EU country that actually gives a **** about what is going on with their country.

You do realise that Norway accepts nearly all EU laws but has no say in their creation. Plus they pay the EU for the privilege. Of course Norway has all that oil. I wonder what would happen to an 'independent' country like Iceland if things got really bad, I dunno they might go bankrupt or somesuch.

Clanket

My greatest concern would be that we would have to continue to listen to these stupid conspiracy theories.

The EU has been extremely good for us. The conspirators talk about the EU as though it's some far off evil force. It's not. It's us. We are it and it is us.

I blame Jim Corr