Best out of 3 for Lisbon?

Jeff Albertson

If the second Lisbon vote ends up with a Majority of YES, then surely the only fair way would be to have a third vote and the best out of 3 would be the final decision?

Anybody agree?

Sam Vimes

No

PopeBuckfastXVI

Yes, elect a government on that platform before the treaty is ratified, and I will grudgingly vote again.

ei.sdraob

Jeff Albertson wrote: »

If the second Lisbon vote ends up with a Majority of YES, then surely the only fair way would be to have a third vote and the best out of 3 would be the final decision?

Anybody agree?

sigh

meglome

PopeBuckfastXVI wrote: »

Yes, elect a government on that platform before the treaty is ratified, and I will grudgingly vote again.

Agree 100%. Our government get to choose when and how many times we vote, you know the government we elected. So I'll march down and vote Yes again and you can go down and vote No again (if I'm picking you up correctly). All you need to do is get a new government elected which supports this and campaigns for it.

RedPlanet

In fairness first we'd have to find out WHY people voted yes.
And once it's found out that they voted for reasons that were not in the treaty at all, (you know economy, jobs, recovery n all that crap), then yes, we'd HAVE to have another referenda.

So goes the "logic" round these parts. :rolleyes:

ei.sdraob

RedPlanet wrote: »

In fairness first we'd have to find out WHY people voted yes.
And once it's found out that they voted for reasons that were not in the treaty at all, (you know economy, jobs, recovery n all that crap), then yes, we'd HAVE to have another referenda.

So goes the "logic" round these parts. :rolleyes:

perhaps you should go and readup on how democracy in Ireland operates

Sam Vimes

RedPlanet wrote: »

In fairness first we'd have to find out WHY people voted yes.
And once it's found out that they voted for reasons that were not in the treaty at all, (you know economy, jobs, recovery n all that crap), then yes, we'd HAVE to have another referenda.

So goes the "logic" round these parts. :rolleyes:

Not in the treaty =/= not a consequence of the treaty. Whether voting yes will help the economy is a matter of opinion, whether it will bring in a €1.84 minimum wage or raise our corporation tax is not

spaceHopper

No we won't need to as it'll be no again!

But if it were a yes and I hope it's not (I've 100 euros at 13/2 on "no" with Paddy Power!) then we'd be better off pushing for reform so that they can't do reruns of the samething

RandomName2

Jeff Albertson wrote: »

If the second Lisbon vote ends up with a Majority of YES, then surely the only fair way would be to have a third vote and the best out of 3 would be the final decision?

Anybody agree?

This thread is gonna get locked.

Anyway, you are wasting your breath - your parliament (the Dail) is against you.

And what hope have you got in attempting to oppose a handful of politicians?

ei.sdraob

RandomName2 wrote: »

This thread is gonna get locked.

Anyway, you are wasting your breath - your parliament (the Dail) is against you.

And what hope have you got in attempting to oppose a handful of politicians?

vote in your own crowd, thats how ****ing democracy works

take a pick:

Sinn Fein

Socialists

and probably Libertas soon


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meglome

spaceHopper wrote: »

No we won't need to as it'll be no again!

But if it were a yes and I hope it's not (I've 100 euros at 13/2 on "no" with Paddy Power!) then we'd be better off pushing for reform so that they can't do reruns of the samething

I suggest you start campaigning to get the next government to have a referendum to stop re-runs. Of course we might have a referendum you agree with that we vote No on.

RandomName2

spaceHopper wrote: »

No we won't need to as it'll be no again!

But if it were a yes and I hope it's not (I've 100 euros at 13/2 on "no" with Paddy Power!) then we'd be better off pushing for reform so that they can't do reruns of the samething

Are the odds still that good?

I'd put money on it - only I am superstitious enough to believe I'd jinx it.

Besides which I think it is going to be a yes.

RandomName2

ei.sdraob wrote: »

vote in your own crowd, thats how ****ing democracy works

take a pick:

Sinn Fein

Socialists

If you don't feel that your country should attempt to go over the publics' heads to rewrite the constitution and redraw the balance of Europe vote in socialists or nationalist-socialists.

Really sensible

I can't stand FF - but I like my local FF TD. I want him in the Dail. If I could I would divorce my vote for that TD from a vote for FF. But I can't. End of story.

ei.sdraob

RandomName2 wrote: »

If you don't feel that your country should attempt to go over the publics' heads to rewrite the constitution and redraw the balance of Europe vote in socialists or nationalist-socialists.

Really sensible

I can't stand FF - but I like my local FF TD. I want him in the Dail. If I could I would divorce my vote for that TD from a vote for FF. But I can't. End of story.

Erm

what does it tell you when every mainstream party and opposition can see the benefit of Lisbon

while only the lunatics are left behind on the NO side?


Ireland is a democracy go on a start your own party so if you care so much, at least the likes of Declan Ganley are trying to do just that, you on other hand just throw your arms and moan that theres no one to represent your views

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Capt'n Midnight

Instead of best out of 3,5,7 etc


how about - next goal wins ?

meglome

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Instead of best out of 3,5,7 etc


how about - next goal wins ?

well start campaigning to have the government hold a referendum on that.

Scofflaw

RandomName2 wrote: »

Are the odds still that good?

I'd put money on it - only I am superstitious enough to believe I'd jinx it.

Besides which I think it is going to be a yes.

Currently they're 8/1 against a No, and 1/25 against a Yes.

cordially,
Scofflaw

hatrickpatrick

ei.sdraob wrote: »

vote in your own crowd, thats how ****ing democracy works

take a pick:

Sinn Fein

Socialists

and probably Libertas soon


/

This is why representative democracy doesn't work. Worst strawman ever. You know perfectly well that these parties have other policies apart from Lisbon and that agreeing with one policy isn't enough to elect an entire government for 5 years.

That's why referenda are important.

ei.sdraob

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

This is why representative democracy doesn't work. Worst strawman ever. You know perfectly well that these parties have other policies apart from Lisbon and that agreeing with one policy isn't enough to elect an entire government for 5 years.

That's why referenda are important.

and how would you direct democracy system work when it comes to deciding on a budget?

sceptre

Jeff Albertson wrote: »

If the second Lisbon vote ends up with a Majority of YES, then surely the only fair way would be to have a third vote and the best out of 3 would be the final decision?

Anybody agree?

I know it sometimes seems like those running the country have the mental acuity of children in the playground but we don't play by playground rules.

As people have suggested, perhaps the best future role for you might be to campaign for a future amendment on having either the best of three enshrined in the legal system or no re-runs ever. Until then we'll unfortunately have to cope with the legal system we have, which is largely unaware of the best of three or best of five rule, or indeed the precedent laws and rulings of British Bulldog 1-2-3, never written but refined orally over generations.

This thread isn't going to go anywhere and I dearly hope that all of you realised that already.