Garda Allowances

murf313

wee bey wrote: »

Thousands of euro a week? If only that was true:(. There's probably a 50/50 chance that if you'd stayed at the plumbing you would be unemployed now so you SHOULD be grateful more than most. And to be fair its not like you made this big noble sacrifice. You've admitted you were partly seduced by the perks!

it is true if you were sub contracting work. who should i be grateful to exactly. im the one who got myself to where i am today...... i have noone to be grateful to, the government didnt just hand me the job.

perks???? i wouldnt call them that, but if you want to thats fine. any way the job security and pension only make up for the low pay and unsociable hours...

wee bey

If you are sub-contracting work it means you are self employed and most likely also an employer. You are not entitled to holiday pay or a myriad of other allowances. What percentage of plumbers fall into this category? You are using an irrelevant example. I'm talking about a paye plumber or any tradesman for that matter. I cant think of any that earned the thousands a week that you're on about. Grateful, relieved, thankful whatever. No-one should take there job for granted is what I'm trying to say. And I'm not saying that you guys are. Every job has its pros and cons etc. As a matter of interest how do the pay rates in the irish defence forces compare with that of the U.S. and Britain, two countries that are fighting in a war?

murf313

wee bey wrote: »

If you are sub-contracting work it means you are self employed and most likely also an employer. You are not entitled to holiday pay or a myriad of other allowances. What percentage of plumbers fall into this category? You are using an exteme and irrelevant example. I'm talking about a paye plumber or any tradesan for that matter. I cant think of any that earned the thousands a week that you're on about. Grateful, relieved, thankful whatever. No-one should take there job for granted is what I'm trying to say. And I'm not saying that you guys aren't. Every job has its pros and cons etc. As a matter of interest how do the pay rates in the irish defence forces compare with that of the U.S. and Britain, two countries that are fighting in a war?

not sure if your being smart here or not but....

irish army private is better paid than a BA private but BA soldier has better accomadation and alot of perks etc. cost of living probably makes up the difference i would imagine.

irish army nco's afaik are not as well paid as their british counterparts

not too sure about officers

I have no idea about the us army but cost of living is much lower than ireland

Local-womanizer

wee bey wrote: »

Thousands of euro a week? If only that was true:(. There's probably a 50/50 chance that if you'd stayed at the plumbing you would be unemployed now so you SHOULD be grateful more than most. And to be fair its not like you made this big noble sacrifice. You've admitted you were partly seduced by the perks!

That saying "you should be greatful to have a job" baffles me.Why should Murf be greatful,he made a choice and it has paid off in the long run.

That phrase smirks of begrudgery so it does.

The Gardai and the Defence Forces are hardly a handy route to take as a job.Murf said he always wanted to be a soldier,and he gave up a well paid job to realise that dream.

Picking a job because it is relativily secure and finacially secure shouldent draw critisim,any person would do the same given the choice tbh.

Bosco boy

bringingitall wrote: »

BASIC
+ shift allowance
+ rent allowance tax free(€4,160)
+ uniform allowance
+ boot allowance
+ away from station for the day allowance(airport passport guys + other moving prisoners from x to y)
+ overtime(easily availible, perhaps reduced now)
+ handy days standing around croke park (€200euro from what i'm told)
+ scheduling a ten minute court appearance on your day off knowing that you'll get paid for the minimum 5hours you get under union agreements that state you must be paid this minimum time regardless of your actual time worked(been told first hand about this)
+Garda credit union(cheap loans how many apartments have you rented from Garda i've been in 3 apartments all owned by garda in the last 5 years, 3 friends have garda landlords)
+health insurance for you and married partner
+ if put on clerical duty(9-5) an allowance to compensate you for the allowances your missing by not working unsocial hours
+ while on holiday pay an allowance to cover the overtime/allowance you could have potentiallly got if you weren't on the beach basically unsocial hours work allowance even though your not in
+ plain clothes allowance, if your plain clothes garda to buy your own clothes
+Gaeltacht Allowance and Aran Island Allowance
+ retire @ 50 with full pension(lump sum+payments)

What these cost the exchequer. Bear in mind it costs €4m to vaccinate young girls against cervical cancer and the goverment won't pay it.

Cost:
Rent allowance costs €58 million Its paid to every member up to and including superintendent.

Premium Payments (€9.07m) Paid to those on holiday who would normally be eligible for unsociable hours allowance.

Clerical Allowance (€2.07m) paid to cops doing paperwork to make up for the allowances they are loosing out on because they are basically clerical staff.

Gaeltacht Allowance and Aran Island Allowance (€1.2m) (its value is 7.5 per cent of basic pay)

Uniform Grant and Allowance and Boot Allowance (€5.4 m)

Plain Clothes Allowance (€1.9m)

Non-Public Duty Allowances (€1.7m)

Source:
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...250847395.html

When a garda is standing over a mulitated body on the roadside at 4am in the morning and has to pick up the pieces and then he/she has to call to the family and break the news and then probally has to go to the morgue to get an identification from them I guess hes laughing to himself/herself at the night duty allowence they are getting, meanwhile you with your boney arse is flat out in bed, u wake up in the morning and think the sun got up the same time as you, you woulldnt last a day in their job, you should write for the herald

Daroxtar

" BASIC
+ shift allowance
+ rent allowance tax free(€4,160)
+ uniform allowance
+ boot allowance
+ away from station for the day allowance(airport passport guys + other moving prisoners from x to y)
+ overtime(easily availible, perhaps reduced now)
+ handy days standing around croke park (€200euro from what i'm told)
+ scheduling a ten minute court appearance on your day off knowing that you'll get paid for the minimum 5hours you get under union agreements that state you must be paid this minimum time regardless of your actual time worked(been told first hand about this)
+Garda credit union(cheap loans how many apartments have you rented from Garda i've been in 3 apartments all owned by garda in the last 5 years, 3 friends have garda landlords)
+health insurance for you and married partner
+ if put on clerical duty(9-5) an allowance to compensate you for the allowances your missing by not working unsocial hours
+ while on holiday pay an allowance to cover the overtime/allowance you could have potentiallly got if you weren't on the beach basically unsocial hours work allowance even though your not in
+ plain clothes allowance, if your plain clothes garda to buy your own clothes
+Gaeltacht Allowance and Aran Island Allowance
+ retire @ 50 with full pension(lump sum+payments)

What these cost the exchequer. Bear in mind it costs €4m to vaccinate young girls against cervical cancer and the goverment won't pay it.

Cost:
Rent allowance costs €58 million Its paid to every member up to and including superintendent.

Premium Payments (€9.07m) Paid to those on holiday who would normally be eligible for unsociable hours allowance.

Clerical Allowance (€2.07m) paid to cops doing paperwork to make up for the allowances they are loosing out on because they are basically clerical staff.

Gaeltacht Allowance and Aran Island Allowance (€1.2m) (its value is 7.5 per cent of basic pay)

Uniform Grant and Allowance and Boot Allowance (€5.4 m)

Plain Clothes Allowance (€1.9m)

Non-Public Duty Allowances (€1.7m)"


I cant even bother reading the rest of the thread when the first page is populated with bolox like this.
They're the ones dealing with drunks, mouthpieces and gimps every night of the week, They're the ones cutting down suicide victims, theyre the ones telling parents their kids are dead. They're the ones you call when you're fukked over by criminals and what thanks do they get?
Sh1te like this thread.

You Suck!

Wow, this thread is full of undercover guards. Can I just ask, are you getting the office allowance to post in this thread? :pac:

pipesofpeace

heard about these allowances on rte drivetime yesterday

just had to have a google and came across this!!!

The allowances laid out by the OP are almost scary

I nearly always beleived Garda when they told me they start off on F-all by the looks of things there on more than people with degrees and masters coming out of college.

By that i mean a person coming out of college with a masters would be looking at 24-26K a year.

Looks like they could have just skipped the 5 years unpaid training in college and done whatever it is 11 months PAID training in templemore

Its a joke, joke, joke, joke

Exon

I paid about 5 millions gards whole careers due to poxy high tax.

Dudess

Seems fair enough to me - law enforcement can't come cheap, and they'll never make an absolute fortune out of it, or reach salaries the likes of some in the private sector.

The-Rigger wrote: »

Don't forget breakfast roll allowance.
mmmm.

FYP

Relevant wrote: »

I'll give you nursing & social care. Maybe teaching, but i find it hard to include cheche work in the same boat as the rest

Sorry, but this attitude really annoys me: creche-workers are responsible for someone else's children ffs - just think of what that entails for a moment. And it's not "babysitting" like when you arrive at the house and the baby's already put to bed and you get to watch DVDs and eat popcorn. And what creche-workers get paid is laughable. My friend's earning in the low 20s and she's working at a place where the pay is considered not bad for the sector (it's in a leisure centre - a "stand-alone" creche would pay worse again). She had to go to college and get her diploma, she had to clock up loads of unpaid or barely paid work experience... As someone once said to me: you'd get paid more than that to look after someone else's car.

TouchingVirus

At first I thought Gardai were on great money, but then I got a look at one of their NET incomes for a week, not anymore.

I agree with the sentiment of most people in this thread - leave the aul Gardai alone, they didn't get us into this mess and crucifying them won't get us out of it

K-9

foinse wrote: »

I am a Garda with a just over a years service since i was attested, here's what i come out with each week.

firstly i worked in the private sector before joining the Gardai, and brought a loan with me when i started. so i had to borrow that from the Garda credit union, as the bank wouldn't adjust my loan for the time i was training.

when i started in the college i was getting €200 a week out of which i had to pay for my loan at €50pw(reduced rate while training) and pay for my medical insurance at €25pw. so i lived on €125 a week

I now have a weekly salary of €571pw since i've been attested, I am currently coming out with net €280pw

I pay a whole range deductions including levy's, pension income and health. We also have to pay a subscription of the GRA. There is a total deduction outside of my loan of €230per week.

I get a total of €89 per week in allowances.

We get one big cheque a month with our shift allowance in it. and the other allowances (IF APPLICABLE) are added in this.

Because we get paid weekly and we get one large pay cheque per month, Revenue feel that if we were to get paid on a large scale like that 52 weeks of the year we would be in the higher tax band, and so charge the higher tax rates and levy's for this cheque, which when added to the other deductions, means we loose over 50% of the cheque we busted our butts working nights and whatever little overtime we can scrounge up.

On the being paid 3 hours for court, I have often gone into court at 10:30 and not had the case heard till about 3 or 4 o'clock, yet i have to sit there in case the case is called. Am i wrong in being paid a paltry 3 hours for giving up a full day of my free time which i have no control over?

If i work away from my home district(not station) for more than 5 hours i then get to claim an allowance for that.

If i work for a match in a stadium, the IRFU, FAI, GAA, MCD or whatever other organisation is running the event pays for the Garda presence, which we have to fill in paperwork to claim and then wait an age for the the paperwork to be sent to the organisation and for the money to be transfered to the Gardai before i get paid, this is then subject to the big cheque tax deductions that i outlined earlier.

Jaysus, that's some chunk to lose on that wage. Don't understand the point on Revenue though, if they take of too much you can always claim it back. You'll end up paying the same as everybody else!

Sizzler

Surely theres something wrong here? Me confused ! Everytime theres a debate about public sector wages on the likes of Newstalk / Today FM theres a gush of Gardai texting in to say how hard done by they are and any more cuts will tip them over the edge.

Must have been a mistake then :rolleyes:

TheNog

Daroxtar wrote: »

"

This is what we actually get:

BASIC
+ shift allowance
+ rent allowance tax free(€4,160)
+ uniform allowance
+ boot allowance
+ away from station for the day allowance(airport passport guys + other moving prisoners from x to y)
+ if put on clerical duty(9-5) an allowance to compensate you for the allowances your missing by not working unsocial hours
+ plain clothes allowance, if your plain clothes garda to buy your own clothes
+Gaeltacht Allowance and Aran Island Allowance
+ retire @ 50 with full pension(lump sum+payments)

You are misinformed here:

+ scheduling a ten minute court appearance on your day off knowing that you'll get paid for the minimum 5hours you get under union agreements that state you must be paid this minimum time regardless of your actual time worked(been told first hand about this) We prepare for court a half hour before getting there. Also we usually have many cases up not just the one. These cases are normally never one after the other but are spread across the court list. And its three hours OT not 5 as you mentioned

+ overtime(easily availible, perhaps reduced now) OT is seriously reduced almost to the point of being non existant
+ handy days standing around croke park (€200euro from what i'm told) Those days are not that handy
+Garda credit union(cheap loans how many apartments have you rented from Garda i've been in 3 apartments all owned by garda in the last 5 years, 3 friends have garda landlords) All loans still have to be repaid so its not free money
+health insurance for you and married partner Paid for by the member from his wages. Its not free
+ while on holiday pay an allowance to cover the overtime/allowance you could have potentiallly got if you weren't on the beach basically unsocial hours work allowance even though your not in Dont get paid OT but we do get our allowance. Same as anyone doing shift in the private sector

see above

whodoo

there seems to be a lot of guards on these here boards....think i'm gonna lay low for a while....:eek:

TouchingVirus

Just because there are supporters of the Gardai here doesn't mean they are all Gardai themselves. I'm not, but I still think the OP is bitter about something and talking complete shite

pipesofpeace

Check this article is the Irish Independent talking sh*te

Maybe the OP got a speeding ticket and is ticked off but at the end of the day the facts are the facts

Facts below:

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2009/0717/1224250847395.html

don't forget my favourite the €9.07m paid for Premium Payments

Defined as:

“Paid to members who are on leave [who] would ordinarily be entitled to claim unsocial hours allowance if they were not on leave.”

Basically unsocial hours/shift allowance even though your on your holliers. Nice!!

TouchingVirus

pipesofpeace wrote: »

don't forget the €9.07m paid for Premium Payments

Defined as:

“Paid to members who are on leave [who] would ordinarily be entitled to claim unsocial hours allowance if they were not on leave.”

Basically unsocial hours/shift allowance even though your on your holliers. Nice!!

Not just your holidays ...if on leave.

It's my understanding that if a member was meant to work a night shift where they would be entitled to shift allowance, but they take the day as leave, then they're fully entitled to earn what they would have had they worked the night, including shift allowance.

It's the same for a lot of shift-work jobs. If you work a week of nights and a week of days and you get a night allowance then if you took a two week holiday you should get paid for a week of nights and days, and not two weeks of days.

Mind you, with two posts I didn't expect anything better :rolleyes:

pipesofpeace

Not just your holidays ...if on leave.

It's my understanding that if a member was meant to work a night shift where they would be entitled to shift allowance, but they take the day as leave, then they're fully entitled to earn what they would have had they worked the night, including shift allowance.

It's the same for a lot of shift-work jobs. If you work a week of nights and a week of days and you get a night allowance then if you took a two week holiday you should get paid for a week of nights and days, and not two weeks of days.

Mind you, with two posts I didn't expect anything better

You seem to know alot about the inner workings of the Guards or as you say "It's my understanding............"

Wow what a wondefully simple explaination so simple the McCarthy report singles this payment out as completly unjustified and we all know McCarthy is a retard what with his PHD's and such

suppose 1,135 posts qualifies you better than McCarthy or is that maybe your garda on clerical duty picking up an allowance becuase your missing out on another allowance and can focus and getting your post count up while god love me in the private sector who can't get a minute to post on boards unless its my day off

Hootanany

I would not mind these allowances if they cleared all the Junkies of the Boardwalk and not turn a blind eye as they all do

TouchingVirus

pipesofpeace wrote: »

Wow what a wondefully simple explaination so simple the McCarthy report singles this payment out as completly unjustified and we all know McCarthy is a retard what with his PHD's and such

suppose 1,135 posts qualifies you better than McCarthy or is that maybe your garda on clerical duty picking up an allowance becuase your missing out on another allowance

I'm a website developer, not a member of the force. Never applied because I know I wouldn't be up to the job and havn't got an interest. I'm quite content knowing the Gardai are there if I need them and I'm quite happy paying taxes which pay their allowances.

There are a few things in the McCarthy report that are utter shite, this is one of them. It's only fair the Gardai get the same treatment as most other shift workers as regards shift allowance while on leave. The point of the McCarthy report was to save money, not to point out where the Government is spending our money improperly. I'm not more qualified than McCarthy, regardless of my post count nor did I ever imply I was. However I'm here engaging on the thread, expressing opinions and reasons why X allowance is justified instead of acting like an outraged sensationalist Joe Duffy caller unlike your good self, who just signed up to post such material on this thread alone :rolleyes:

pipesofpeace wrote: »

You seem to know alot about the inner workings of the Guards or as you say "It's my understanding............"

Because you edited your post while I was replying, I'll reply to this bit too. The inner workings of the Gards because I read the actual language put to me ... as in the words "on leave" instead of "on holidays". Once again, you are eyeing me up with suspicion because I'm merely not in agreement with yourself. You'd think if I was a member of the force that in all my 1130+ posts I might have posted on the massive Garda recruitment thread/forum just once ....

Dudess

Hootanany wrote: »

I would not mind these allowances if they cleared all the Junkies of the Boardwalk and not turn a blind eye as they all do

I have always found the junkies of the Jervis Street Luas stop to be very amicable.

TouchingVirus

Hootanany wrote: »

I would not mind these allowances if they cleared all the Junkies of the Boardwalk and not turn a blind eye as they all do

I've seen them clear them off quite a few times myself. I'm sure other people wouldn't mind giving the Gardai their allowances if only they found who broke into their house or stole their car radio. Everybody is all right as long as they get something out of it?

pipesofpeace

for a website developer you know alot about shift workers

and alot about garda shift working

mmmmmmmmmm!!

Hootanany

TouchingVirus wrote: »

I've seen them clear them off quite a few times myself. I'm sure other people wouldn't mind giving the Gardai their allowances if only they found who broke into their house or stole their car radio. Everybody is all right as long as they get something out of it?

They are openly dealing there all the time why dont they arrest them .
I am not Garda bashing here but a crime is a crime and should be dealt with swiftly

pipesofpeace

one word:

paperwork

they couldn't be arsed

TouchingVirus

pipesofpeace wrote: »

for a website developer you know alot about shift workers

and alot about garda shift working

mmmmmmmmmm!!

Yes, because I couldn't possibly have outside knowledge of either without having worked in those jobs :rolleyes:

pipesofpeace wrote: »

one word:

paperwork

they couldn't be arsed

Ahhhhh, now we go to it. Garda-bashing. You know, I almost thought you might have had a legitimate reason for signing up to boards.ie, you might have had some valid input or something to actually give to the thread. How silly of me

TouchingVirus

Hootanany wrote: »

They are openly dealing there all the time why dont they arrest them .
I am not Garda bashing here but a crime is a crime and should be dealt with swiftly

I don't honestly believe a Gard would walk by somebody openly dealing on the boardwalk and not challenge them on it. Especially city beat cops, who are probably fed up with arresting shoplifters all day and would love something a little more "real"

pipesofpeace

i was actually sympathising with them in regard to my comment about paperwork

the paperwork invloved in even my smallest dealings with the gardai in terms of lost licenses is astounding

god help them

InReality

Hootanany wrote: »

But you have back up and you are trained to arrest them The allowance thing is just crazy,I had 3 Guards pin me against O'Connell Bridge one night because my wife got sick in a Taxi . i pointed out that there was drug dealing going on right behind them,i was told aggressively YOU Dont do Tell How to MY JOB.I suppose i was a handier collar than the scumbags, The axe is about to Fall. Be afraid be very afraid.

I think thats something they are trained to say.

Its a pity that they don't have a culture that takes on board the critisms we make of them rather than ignore them.

itsallaboutme!!

This sunday is the end of the garda working roster.at the end i will have worked a total of 26.5hrs overtime. All of this overtime is compulsory ie: me being required to attend court or perform other duties that i have no control over.they have to be done end of story. i did not volunteer to do any of this overtime. i am not allowed to claim payment for ANY of those hours. 26.5hrs of my own time including saturdays, sundays, nights and very early mornings when the rest of the world is tucked up in bed or enjoying their weekends.

after all the taxes and levies etc,comes out of my wages every week, after 5 years of service i come out with 350e from which i have a mortgage, utility bills, loans and the rest. i read somewhere recently that the average garda comes away with about 1000e per week id like to meet that garda and ask what im doing wrong!

dr.quirky

Hootanany wrote: »

They are openly dealing there all the time why dont they arrest them .
I am not Garda bashing here but a crime is a crime and should be dealt with swiftly

how do you know they are "openly dealing" there all the time? if you have seen this surely the onus is on your own self to report it? and i refuse to beleive any garda would turn a blind eye to blatant open dealing.

is arresting every and all dealers/users the solution, i think not, you cant just arrest them all and hope the problom goes away. the gardai do a great job, I happen to know ( an old neighbor was in the force) that their basic pay is aweful , they deserve every benefit they can get, alot of them (boots etc.) amount to very little to any one individual anyway.

and I concur , the majority of the down an outs of jervis are always pleasant and interesting

arybvtcw0eolkf

dr.quirky wrote: »

how do you know they are "openly dealing" there all the time? if you have seen this surely the onus is on your own self to report it? and i refuse to beleive any garda would turn a blind eye to blatant open dealing.

is arresting every and all dealers/users the solution, i think not, you cant just arrest them all and hope the problom goes away. the gardai do a great job, I happen to know ( an old neighbor was in the force) that their basic pay is aweful , they deserve every benefit they can get, alot of them (boots etc.) amount to very little to any one individual anyway.

and I concur , the majority of the down an outs of jervis are always pleasant and interesting

Hey Dr.

I'm sure your aware that the owner of Dr.Quirkeys is an ex member of AGS, I'm sure its just an coincidence - ya know!.

RoadKillTs

after all the taxes and levies etc,comes out of my wages every week, after 5 years of service i come out with 350e from which i have a mortgage,

Hold on a sec, are you honestly saying you are coming out with 350 after tax for a full weeks work plus 26.5 hours OT?

That's nuts tbh and your more the fool to be putting up with it.
I know a guard who does a fair bit of OT and I can safely say hes taking home around 1k a week

Edit: sorry for calling you a fool but just mean maybe you should have a chat with HR about your working conditions because theres something not right there.

pipesofpeace

thats just bull €350 you must be talking about what the guards call their little cheque.

Thats the money they get p/w and they get their BIG cheque this is the one with all the allowances and perks put in where their REAL wages are.

Not too sure when that comes but head down to coppers when it looks packed and you should find out.

They'll all be there flashin their badges trying to get in as if the badge is some kind VIP entry ticket.

I should know spent a year or two working on the door of bars in town and the amount of time you get little lads comin up with badges sayin "is there anything you can do for me" is just scary

itsallaboutme!!

on a normal week i will come away with 350e. this has been an exceptionally busy roster for me and at the end of it i will have worked up 26.5hrs that i have been told due to budgetary cut backs i cannot claim payment for these hours. i have been told that i can avail of time in lieu. now time in lieu is all well and good but i would have preferred to have my time off when i originally should have had it. for instance after working for 7 days straight i would be entitled to my 2 days off but i had to work which at times means that i have to work almost 2 weeks straight before having a day off.

believe me i have tried to fight my corner but nobody cares about the junior member once the top brass get their dues!

i dont take offence to being called a fool :)ive been called ALOT worse in my day to day duties;) but its not for the money i joined.

itsallaboutme!!

pipesofpeace wrote: »

thats just bull €350 you must be talking about what the guards call their little cheque.

Thats the money they get p/w and they get their BIG cheque this is the one with all the allowances and perks put in where their REAL wages are.

Not too sure when that comes but head down to coppers when it looks packed and you should find out.

They'll all be there flashin their badges trying to get in as if the badge is some kind VIP entry ticket

yes i am talking about my weekly wages comes in at 350e p/w my allowances wages comes in at roughly about double that.it can vary slightly month to month depending on overtime etc, so add it up i would be getting about 1500 per month including allowances. now to me thats not an extraordinary amount of money.

RoadKillTs

i dont take offence to being called a fool ive been called ALOT worse in my dato day duties but its not for the money i joined.

Well im sorry for that, I just mean you shouldn't have to put up with those conditions.

Is there a not a union for the Guards?

mikemac

itsallaboutme!! wrote: »

This sunday is the end of the garda working roster.at the end i will have worked a total of 26.5hrs overtime. All of this overtime is compulsory ie: me being required to attend court or perform other duties that i have no control over.they have to be done end of story. i did not volunteer to do any of this overtime. i am not allowed to claim payment for ANY of those hours. 26.5hrs of my own time including saturdays, sundays, nights and very early mornings when the rest of the world is tucked up in bed or enjoying their weekends.

Are you getting paid for this time?
If not, why are you doing it?

Go talk to your representative association , all you're doing now is proving your station can cope with not enough resources.
Your team won't be getting any more resources anytime soon to cover for you.

TouchingVirus

pipesofpeace wrote: »

thats just bull €350 you must be talking about what the guards call their little cheque.

Thats the money they get p/w and they get their BIG cheque this is the one with all the allowances and perks put in where their REAL wages are.

Not too sure when that comes but head down to coppers when it looks packed and you should find out.

They'll all be there flashin their badges trying to get in as if the badge is some kind VIP entry ticket

And when the big cheque rolls around they'll get taxed on the higher rate and half of it or more will go down the tubes. So on a big cheque week they might come out with 600... So that's 350x3 + 600 ..a whopping 412.50 euro per week. I earned more than that when I worked in Tesco 4 years ago - a job with no risk or late nights or anything else inconvenient.

Once again your bitterness comes out - you stood in the queue at Coppers a few nights and not managed to get in only to have a group of Gardai flash their badges and walk right in for free? And how might changing the Coppers entrance policy get us out of the money woes we've got?

RoadKillTs wrote: »

Well im sorry for that, I just mean you shouldn't have to put up with those conditions.

Is there a not a union for the Guards?

There's the Garda Representatives Association, the GRA. Probably a few others. And Gardai cannot take strike action, nor can the Army.

itsallaboutme could probably not take pay for the 26.5 hours overtime, but they should be able to get TOIL (Time Off In Lieu), that is 26.5 hours of leave in the next month. Sort of like Civil Service Flexi-time, though flexi is limited to 11.5 hours *shakes fist*

pipesofpeace

well hang on here:

350p/w X 4 = 1400

your allowance check is double your weekly lets say 700

thats 2,100

Sorry you worked alot of hours but if its any concelation you have a great pension and it'll be over for at 55

I have tough shop in a finance company doing long hours maybe not 26.5 hours overtime but certainly 10-12 hours per week. I come out with €1,700 and i have no pension at the moment.

Oh yeah when your 55 chillin out i'll have to about 10 year overtime to get me to 65

itsallaboutme!!

i am not getting paid and i have to do it. i am not on a regular unit and i have no choice like i said i did not volunteer to do it. most of that overtime was due to me being involved in a court trial which i was summonsed to attend. failure on my part to attend could result in me being prosecuted. so its not something that i had a choice in really.

itsallaboutme!!

pipesofpeace wrote: »

well hang on here:

350p/w X 4 = 1400

your allowance check is double your weekly lets say 700

thats 2,100

not its 350 x 3 +700 = 1750 not 1500
apologies my brain is a bit fried today:o

Degsy

pipesofpeace wrote: »

by the looks of things there on more than people with degrees and masters coming out of college.

By that i mean a person coming out of college with a masters would be looking at 24-26K a year.

Masters in what?Philosophy or some such ****?
Just because some numpty didnt fancy working for a living but would rather waste awy in college doesnt entitle him to a shiitload of money when he eventually starts working.
In my job "people with masters" dont want to actually work and they think the world owes them a living.
I wonder how thier "masters" would stand them when they're being pelted with rocks by a hostile gang or trying to arrest some out of control junky with a knife in his hand.

TouchingVirus

pipesofpeace wrote: »

well hang on here:

350p/w X 4 = 1400

your allowance check is double your weekly lets say 700

thats 2,100

As far as I know your big cheque includes your pay, it's not a separate cheque. So your 4th week pay + OT allowances etc in your big cheque is one and the same .... which means you get 3 small cheques and one big one

Lets even say the big cheque is 1000 euro all in, that's 2050 euro over 4 weeks which is 500 euro per week on average. Still I was earning more than that last year and I've not even started down a career path yet, I'm only out of college 2 years. I didn't have changeover shifts, dealing with scummers, dealing with junkies, shoplifters etc etc. I had this nice 9-5 Mon-Fri office job.

Your pension problems are your fault, not the Gardai's. How is removing their allowances going to benefit your situation? Do you think that if they took the uniform allowance off they'll drop the tax rate by 1%?

Once again the jealously or "Poor me, boo hoo" sentiment is rife in your post.

itsallaboutme!!

the allowances wage once a month does include the usual weekly wage. so in my case out of every 4 weeks i get 350e what is called the "flat check" 3 weeks and then the BIG one once a month which is allowances on top of the "flat" one so it would be 700e. 350+350+350+700=1750 per month.

TouchingVirus

Just to put this up here too, when I get on a train and see a friend of mine flash the badge and go for free I think "F*cker!". I think the same when he gets free through the tollbridge on the M4. I think the same when he gets into Coppers for free. I think the same when he gets on a bus and just takes a seat.

The difference between you and I pipeofpeace is that my "F*cker!" thought is immediately followed up with "Yeah, but you'd rather pay a tenner to get in here than have to stand at the GPO for hours freezing your nads off. You'd rather pay to not have to get home from a flexi shift at 2am and be in for 10am the next day several times a week. You'd rather pay to not have to chase shoplifters, releasing teenage offenders knowing they'll be stealing purses in a day or so, trying to convict somebody knowing they'll get a slap on the wrist, putting myself in harms way to move junkies on or arrest them, knowing that if somebody puts up a fight in an arrest they'll go running to the ombudsman claiming they were manhandled". Whereas your though is followed by nothing at all, and that's not right.

cson

itsallaboutme!!,

I'd advise you to be a bit more discreet about your working conditions. Boards shouldn't really be used as a forum for complaints or comment on your employer. Solely for the fact that you do not know if you are being monitored and it is relatively easy to find out who you are.

TouchingVirus

cson wrote: »

itsallaboutme!!,

I'd advise you to be a bit more discreet about your working conditions. Boards shouldn't really be used as a forum for complaints or comment on your employer. Solely for the fact that you do not know if you are being monitored and it is relatively easy to find out who you are.

The working condition of a Garda can be put to whomever that member pleases. It's not under the remit of a secrets act or anything of the sort. And I certainly don't take it up that the itsallaboutme!! was complaining about the conditions or the job - they were merely using their own circumstances to highlight that being a member of the force is no easy, cushy number. If anything the higher ups should be glad of such a comment because it's clear from a few posters here that some people have that impression

Kelda09

3fullback wrote: »

Gardai do a great job and are very hard working.
They have to deal with murders, suicide , rape and just about every other thing thats detroying our country . There is'nt too many of us that have them kind of things in our 9-5 jobs ! Any few pence they get for going to court or uniform is well earned.I Dont see to many jobs where you have to tell Parents that the 17 year old son has died in a traffic accident

I havent time to go through all the posts, however I just want to agree with 3fullback. The gaurds have a job that I would never want to do or be able to do. Iv been at a friends house when a guard has had to come in and give the news that their brother had died, I couldnt imagine doing that once never mind the numerous times the gaurds have to do it. the compassion and kindness shown to the family and the circumstances surroundng the death that had to be explained were devestating to them.

I also know of gaurds who have gotten spat on, verbally abused, attacked
with syringes and generally have had to deal with the type of s***e people in other jobs would sue over.

All of this along with having to be present at scenes of murders, assaults, crashes and just having to deal with the crap nobody else wants to, then the op goes on about their wages and benefits!!!! The cops didnt pick and choose the pay they get. It was agreed for them by unions etc, just like, undoubtedly, the OP's wages were for them. if they have an issue with the wages why not make a post about the officials who worked out the wages, not the gaurds who have to deal with being understaffed, have old equipment in a lot pf cases and who have to spend their working days dealing with awkard or hurt or devestated people.

I am also aware that other frontline workers are present at murders crashes etc, but before anybody says anything, I also am fully in support of all frontline workers being paid properly, not just gaurds.