oh dear god, Libertas at it again

ei.sdraob · 25-09-2009 9:03pm #1

do these people have any shame

see new poster

w00t · 25-09-2009 9:35pm

ei.sdraob wrote: »

do these people have any shame

see new poster

What would you like them to do? Put up Yes Posters? :rolleyes:

BlitzKrieg · 25-09-2009 9:43pm

the eyes are very creepy...

almost........lizard like.

What would you like them to do? Put up Yes Posters?

well this is called fearmongering, personnally I rather neither side did it. But libertas seem to skate the fine line of doing it almost as bad as Coir (who are undoubtable the worse) yet somehow looking respectable in comparison...

On a side note why is it considered Irish democracy starts at 1916? I mean if you want to go legally you would put down the creation of the state, or if you want to go with the idea of irish democracy then there are numerous events before 1916. Poor old Wolfe Tone got snubbed.

w00t · 25-09-2009 9:49pm

BlitzKrieg wrote: »

the eyes are very creepy...

almost........lizard like.

well this is called fearmongering, personnally I rather neither side did it. But libertas seem to skate the fine line of doing it almost as bad as Coir (who are undoubtable the worse) yet somehow looking respectable in comparison...

Democracy. You have to love it but sometimes hate it. Like most things now it is all marketing and PR. Getting ones point across is now about the gloss rather than the content, sadly. The peoples fault which is even sadder.

CCCP^ · 25-09-2009 9:53pm

Ah would you ever **** off, have you seen the balls of the Yes campaign turning Lisbon into something a referendum on jobs and staying in the EU? Both sides are full of ****e to be perfectly honest.

Scofflaw · 25-09-2009 9:59pm

Is this the first image of a crying child to be used? Or did I miss an earlier one? I know the first referendum had the microchipped baby.

amused,
Scofflaw

Daftendirekt · 25-09-2009 10:03pm

That is incredibly creepy. What's the point the image is trying to make?

Edit: Nevermind, I see that she's crying now. Lovely.

Daftendirekt · 25-09-2009 10:06pm

Next time I see anyone accusing FF and the like of fearmongering with their 'Yes to jobs' nonsense I'm linking to this thread.

Shameless.

Jumpy · 25-09-2009 10:06pm

lol Democracy

moondogspot · 25-09-2009 10:10pm

CCCP^ wrote: »

Ah would you ever **** off, have you seen the balls of the Yes campaign turning Lisbon into something a referendum on jobs and staying in the EU? Both sides are full of ****e to be perfectly honest.

I have to agree with you. The way the Yes side are trying to portray themselves as honest

people shocked at the no campaign is hilarious. As if butter wouldn't melt in their mouths. They

ain't fooling nobody.

evercloserunion · 25-09-2009 10:13pm

Jaysus, is that a picture of one of the alien lizard-children the EU will send to abort us if we vote Yes?

She feckin looks it.

K-9 · 25-09-2009 10:29pm

They really are IKIP.

MikeC101 · 25-09-2009 10:32pm

K-9 wrote: »

They really are IKIP.

You mean UKIP ? Or is it an acronym I don't know?

Interestingly, google tells me IKIP means International Kuril Island Project. The next Libertas campaign perhaps.

rebelmind · 25-09-2009 10:35pm

I doubt it will change many minds, but who knows.
I saw a poster of an ecstatic looking female on a yes poster yesterday, equally as creepy, I thought.

Scofflaw · 25-09-2009 10:37pm

If you missed the dates, you might simply come away with the message "Irish Democracy? Vote No!".

still amused,
Scofflaw

meglome · 25-09-2009 10:40pm

w00t wrote: »

What would you like them to do? Put up Yes Posters? :rolleyes:

Okay I'll try this again.

Europe for Jobs, Europe for the Economy etc are rubbish slogans, but the things they imply may happen. Personally I dislike these ****e posters.

On the other hand... 'Irish Democracy 1916-2009?' is not something that could happen. There is no threat to our democracy in Lisbon. They EU have never done anything to threaten our democracy, not in 36 years. I hate this poster because it contains a rubbish slogan and also an implicit lie, which is far worse than the Yes posters.

I'm sorry the distinction is lost on some people. I also hope that these same tactics are not used against you in the future on something you support, you made that bed and eventually you might have to lie in it.

BlitzKrieg · 25-09-2009 10:45pm

Scofflaw wrote: »

If you missed the dates, you might simply come away with the message "Irish Democracy? Vote No!".

still amused,
Scofflaw

or if you suffer some forms of colour blindness maybe?

andrewdeerpark · 25-09-2009 10:54pm

From today's Indo, and as I said in another post:

http://www.independent.ie/breaking-news/world-news/asia/bin-laden-warns-of-retaliation-against-europe-1897284.html

If we are next on the terrorist hitlist

Maybe she is worried about our crap army and navy after our isolationist NO vote.

Or maybe Declan can sell us some gear to defend ourselves.

Daftendirekt · 25-09-2009 10:55pm

Honest question for No voters:

Would this poster make you more inclined to believe Lisbon will somehow strip Ireland of its democracy or would it just give you the impression that Libertas are an extremely sinister organisation?

w00t · 25-09-2009 11:03pm

meglome wrote: »

Okay I'll try this again.

Europe for Jobs, Europe for the Economy etc are rubbish slogans, but the things they imply may happen. Personally I dislike these ****e posters.

On the other hand... 'Irish Democracy 1916-2009?' is not something that could happen. There is no threat to our democracy in Lisbon. They EU have never done anything to threaten our democracy, not in 36 years. I hate this poster because it contains a rubbish slogan and also an implicit lie, which is far worse than the Yes posters.

I'm sorry the distinction is lost on some people. I also hope that these same tactics are not used against you in the future on something you support, you made that bed and eventually you might have to lie in it.

If you look at my other post I stated my belief it is all just PR and marketing. Neither bother with the truth and just selling an agenda.

Scofflaw · 25-09-2009 11:12pm

BlitzKrieg wrote: »

or if you suffer some forms of colour blindness maybe?

It's not too bad, actually.

http://vischeck.homeip.net/uploads/125391650410230/images/hs246.snc1_9335_525313465814_37300923_31271191_7805215_n.jpg

It would depend on the lighting, I think. I wonder what it looks like under streetlamps?

cordially,
Scofflaw

meglome · 25-09-2009 11:16pm

w00t wrote: »

If you look at my other post I stated my belief it is all just PR and marketing. Neither bother with the truth and just selling an agenda.

Sure it is all PR and marketing. I am also saying though that the No campaign have really scraped the bottom of the barrel.

w00t · 25-09-2009 11:32pm

meglome wrote: »

Sure it is all PR and marketing. I am also saying though that the No campaign have really scraped the bottom of the barrel.

I think they have too. But at least they are still saying No.

http://www.dickroche.com/article.php?sid=1069&PHPSESSID=c79aa85144112003b0faaa6131192337

evercloserunion · 25-09-2009 11:51pm

rebelmind wrote: »

I doubt it will change many minds, but who knows.
I saw a poster of an ecstatic looking female on a yes poster yesterday, equally as creepy, I thought.

Just as creepy perhaps, but if it's the same poster I saw, a fair bit hotter.

humanji · 26-09-2009 1:35am

w00t wrote: »

I think they have too. But at least they are still saying No.

http://www.dickroche.com/article.php?sid=1069&PHPSESSID=c79aa85144112003b0faaa6131192337

Well it's unlike anyone even slightly involved in politics to be wrong or change their mind.

http://www.u.tv/News/Declan-Ganley-quits-politics-/89599b42-a6f8-4752-81a3-0cfa080cb3fa

AARRRGH · 26-09-2009 1:40am

What about the yes campaigns new poster with a picture of a woman next to the slogan "I'm safer in Europe"...?

I'm sorry, but that is by far the most ****ed up poster of them all.

AARRRGH · 26-09-2009 1:43am

Daftendirekt wrote: »

Honest question for No voters:

Would this poster make you more inclined to believe Lisbon will somehow strip Ireland of its democracy or would it just give you the impression that Libertas are an extremely sinister organisation?

In fairness we have already seen the EU have little interest in democracy. We are only getting a vote because our constitution is forcing one, and we didn't vote "correctly" so we have to vote again. You just know if the no camp win we'll have to vote again.

So while I think their poster is kind of stupid they have a point somewhat that repeating the vote until the right option is selected is not quite democratic.

K-9 · 26-09-2009 1:46am

AARRRGH wrote: »

What about the yes campaigns new poster with a picture of a woman next to the slogan "I'm safer in Europe"...?

I'm sorry, but that is by far the most ****ed up poster of them all.

Well, like the Vote yes for jobs line, the Referendum Commission dismissed lines like this. Ganley pointed this out and relied on the Commission. The Commission also pointed out direct taxation, Neutrality, Family Law, Defence, Health and Education are not affected.

AARRRGH · 26-09-2009 1:49am

K-9 wrote: »

Well, like the Vote yes for jobs line, the Referendum Commission dismissed lines like this. Ganley pointed this out and relied on the Commission. The Commission also pointed out direct taxation, Neutrality, Family Law, Defence, Health and Education are not affected.

Sorry, maybe I'm misunderstanding your reply, but my interpretation of the "I'm safer in Europe" poster is they are attempting to tap into many women's fear of assault/abuse. You know, voting no will make you unsafe.

Daftendirekt · 26-09-2009 1:50am

AARRRGH wrote: »

In fairness we have already seen the EU have little interest in democracy. We are only getting a vote because our constitution is forcing one, and we didn't vote "correctly" so we have to vote again. You just know if the no camp win we'll have to vote again.

So while I think their poster is kind of stupid they have a point somewhat that repeating the vote until the right option is selected is not quite democratic.

Are you saying the EU should be allowed to step in and overrule our constitutional requirement for a referendum?

Last time I checked, it was the Oireachtas who called the second referendum on Lisbon.

AARRRGH · 26-09-2009 2:01am

Daftendirekt wrote: »

Are you saying the EU should be allowed to step in and overrule our constitutional requirement for a referendum?

No, that's not what I'm saying.

Daftendirekt wrote: »

Last time I checked, it was the Oireachtas who called the second referendum on Lisbon.

You think they decided that on their own or do you think there was immense pressure from the EU?

oh dear god, Libertas at it again

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