Tilted off my roll again!!! FFS.

Rynaldo

TommyGunne wrote: »

I wouldn't play 100PLO without 40-50 bi as well.

I'm pretty bad for tilting, but not in the move up levels way. If I run bad for a while, I just end up playing pretty terrible. This just exacerbates downswings. The only problem is that I regularly lose 4-5 bi in a row, cos I just love shoving. These combined make me really swingy, and prone to tilt, so it is really something I have to work with as well.

The first thing is simply to never move up levels. The second that you do this your roll is as good as busto. If you do this, you are just throwing roll management out the window, and you will find it very hard getting back into the mindset of grinding your chosen level. I've always stopped myself from doing this by accepting that the second I do this, my ability to grind any game ever will be gone.

One thing that I found tough for a while as well was moving down levels. Its a very tough time, cos its always in the middle of a downswing, which is where you tilt. If you can accept moving down levels in a downswing, you are pretty much there as a non-tilter.

As I said, I don't tilt in the traditional sense, I just play a bit worse than I usually do. I don't do crazy ****, I just end up losing confidence and getting frustrated. If you miss all the small edges that you would normally take, the thin value, the thin folds, the thin bluffs. These are the things that give you edge, and these are the things that you miss when you lack confidence and are frustrated. Its so hard to get back into a positive mindset from a negative one, but you gotta do it.

The best way to get back in a positive mindset, is simply to avoid a negative one. Set yourself a strict stop-loss and you will never tilt. This is basically by far the best way to stop tilting, just avoid getting to the stage where you might find yourself tilting, and keep a positive mindset.

One thing that I always find helps is just going to 2NL or 4NL and shipping every hand until you crack a hand. Its so much fun, and you'll find yourself just laughing at the stuff that happens, win or lose. The downside is that I reckon I've done about 100 bi between 2NL and 4NL over the years, but I reckon its saved me more in terms of less tilt. Once you go to those levels when you tilt, you will find it very easy to quit as well, cos its very easy to see just how much you are tilting. Also, it can make you want to stop playing, as its so soul destroying.

As doke says, I always cheer for the other guy in a hand as well. It at least gives you some happiness when you get done! Its very easy to get into a benevolent mindset as well then.

Something I've always wanted to do is get a graph of a few of my downswings and put them on my wall. When you see the amount of money that you have lost through playing awful, its very easy to quit. I usually have my HEM graph focused on my last downswing as well, so I can easily just pop it up on screen.

Seriously though, it doesn't matter how good you are, if you tilt you are loser in the games.

This .

opr

doke wrote: »

I have a rule that I've followed since the start: as soon as I find myself typing something derogatory about someone in the chatbox, I know I'm on tilt and instead of clicking the Send button, I just log off.

This is gold and if I had implemented this rule i would have saved myself a fortune.

I found the Tommy Angelo videos good.

http://www.deucescracked.com/coaches/Tommy-Angelo

One thing I have learned is that outside of poker life happiness has a huge amount to do with being able to control tilt.

Opr

phantom_lord

pok3rplaya wrote: »

Quitting is one of the most profitable moves I make on a regular basis. Sometimes I quit 4 times a day.

u should just not play at all imo

Moneymaker

doke and connor win the internet tbh. great advice.

i like the idea of open shoving at 2NL/4NL. sounds hilarious.

hf4z6sqo7vjngi

mdwexford wrote: »

I never understood the whole moving up levels when tilted thing or playing drunk, just something id never even consider doing under any circumstances.

My worst tilt habit is berating fish in chat when they dog me, ive cut it down a lot compared to how bad i used to be though.

This was one of my problems so i just removed the chat box option on ipoker.

HibsAreIt

Atleast im not the only one who does this:p(usualy when had a few bevs)
Sit here for hours on end building my wee deposits into something decent and then one drunken night im usualy back to square one,usualy hittiiing these things called HU cash games of all things..all the regs prob have me on there buddy list just waiting for me to get abit excited:rolleyes:

zuutroy

I would post a helpful comment but

phantom_lord

that's some carpet! did u get it out of the merrion or something when it closed down?

latenia

Try playing a few $1/$2 turbo SNGs and open shoving every hand.

El Stuntman

Kynlee Delicious Transistor wrote: »

This was one of my problems so i just removed ipoker.

ahem

FYP

zuutroy

phantom_lord wrote: »

that's some carpet! did u get it out of the merrion or something when it closed down?

Hehe I think similar posts were made when I first posted that...Rented gaf so I tooks what I got.

Wombatman

opr wrote: »

One thing I have learned is that outside of poker life happiness has a huge amount to do with being able to control tilt.

Do you think we would be up half the night, alone, gambling with people we don't know, subjecting ourselves to the cruel mistress that is variance if we had any of that! Cop on to yourself buddy.

H8GHOTI

zuutroy wrote: »

Hehe I think similar posts were made when I first posted that...Rented gaf so I tooks what I got.

I remember someone posted about the poor dog too. Scared ****less, hiding under the chair, thinking he's next!

El Stuntman

in the interests of balance, all these 'how not to tilt' posts need to be balanced out by a 'how to tilt properly' post:

How to Tilt

Step 1: go to play ordinary donkament. Get knocked out in some statistically improbable manner. Mild stirrings of tilt.

Step 2: Go to leave casino. Stop by (cunningly positioned at door) roulette table. Throw price of tournie buy-in on black. It comes up red. Stirrings of tilt now becoming rumblings.

Step 3: Go to leave (again). Instead of turning left to go to your car, turn right in direction of ATM. Strange force commands you to withdraw several hundreds of Euro. Urge to gamboool becoming stronger.

Step 4: Return to casino and buy-in to cash game. Proceed to play like a donkey, eventually do the loot when your flopped trips are outflopped by trips with higher kicker.

Step 5: Rebuy. Do these loots even faster when you get AIPF with QQ vs AA. Fail to suck out. Leave cash table.

Step 6: On way out door, empty remaining contents of your pockets and place on Black. It comes up Red.

Step 7: Return home, driving very fast. Narrowly fail to kill staggering junkie outside Connolly Station. Consider homicidal impulse to pull U-turn and try again. Small inner voice counsels you otherwise.

Step 8: Arrive home. Pour large drink, refrain from including any mixer. Log on to online poker site. Take entire carefully accumulated online roll to 25/50 PLO game. Realise you don't know how to play PLO. Play anyway. Double up through suckout. Fail to leave table. Do the loots. Again.

Step 9: Go on sportsbetting binge, have very large bets on very poor races. Do the loots.

And so forth.

And that is how we tilt.

jbravado

El Stuntman wrote: »

Step 4: Return to casino and buy-in to cash game. Proceed to play like a donkey, eventually do the loot when your flopped pair draw are outflopped by trips with higher kicker. Tip the dealer muttering meancingly that was well done. Ignore inner pangs of embarrasement re this outburst.Thats just pride messing with you. It needed to be said.


tilt.

IMO

FunnyStuff

Roll management is the key. First off you're playing too high for your roll. 5% buy in is ok if playing hold-em, but for PLO should only be about 2%. So go down and play .25/.50. Second remove your roll from the site and leave it on Moneybookers or PayPal or however you deposit from, leaving only about 6 or 7 buy-ins worth on the site, this makes it harder to lose the lot in one fell swoop because of the fact you can set yourself deposit limits on many of the said deposit sites. I was the same as you at one stage, lost alot of money, including 8k in one night of drunken madness, i then i set myself the limits i've just layed out and havent made the same mistakes again. After all that its up to you, stick to your guns and try o be sensible.

Oh and try to learn some of the other games, like stud and 2-7 lowball, it helps to be able to take a break from a certain game every now and then.

Dave147

I did something similar last week, was running well and ended up losing $500 because I was playing too stupid. Came back last night and made a good few hundred of it back by just playing properly, not calling big re raises with AQ and JT like I was doing when on tilt, in fairness I usually control my tilt pretty well but it gets the better of everyone sometimes. I'm playing 200NL which is way out of my roll but I definitely play better there.

ianmc38

20BI is nowhere near enough for PLO variance. I've had several -10 buyin days though usually after buyin 6 my stats are 100/100/infinity. strangely enough I've been really tilted every time I've played recently. Playing some mixed games on stars where the buyin is $200. Funny how I couldnt give a fook about the money but losing or getting dogged in a pot can still make me go bananas.

RoadSweeper

I decided to try open shove 50 hands at 2nl to see if I could make a profit and ended down 10 buyins. So I tried to recoup my losses by open shoving another 72 hands and was down 15 buyins.

I put some sweet beats on people, but they were calling with all kinds of muck and putting beats on me too.

Whats the chances of being in profit after open shoving 50 hands. I'd say its pretty difficult.

El Stuntman

RoadSweeper wrote: »

Whats the chances of being in profit after open shoving 50 hands. I'd say its pretty difficult.

do it HU for extra sweetness imo

in fact, I'm off to try now

RoadSweeper

digi had a 2plo flips going

I put out some horrid beats

digiman

RoadSweeper wrote: »

digi had a 2plo flips going

I put out some horrid beats

Sometimes you just got to learn when to stop Paudie

El Stuntman

El Stuntman wrote: »

do it HU for extra sweetness imo

in fact, I'm off to try now

down a mere 2 buy-ins, took him quite some time to adjust his calling range :rolleyes:

I did administer a few horrid doggings ftw

hf4z6sqo7vjngi

Whoever suggested trying to cheer on their opponents outs in a showdown all in spot stand in the corner.....I tried this tonight and they hit their outs every time and calling for them seemed ironically non satisfying.

Drakar

digiman wrote: »

Sometimes you just got to learn when to stop Paudie

I think he should have stopped somewhere between hand 40 and 44.

aodea

This got me sort of thinking. What are the worst habits when tilting?

For example when im tilting i tend to rock it up and lose out on many profitable situations that when im not tilting i would take advantage of. All of a sudden hands that i normally love to play in certain spots no longer look as nice.

The moving up levels chasing losses is clearly another tilt related spew. I cant say i do it myself but i have heard of plenty who do.

There is the playing too loose trying to chase hands and make hands. Everyone in the world is against me so why would i hit my hand but ill try make it anyway even when not offered the right price.



Anyone think of any others?

TommyGunne

RoadSweeper wrote: »

I decided to try open shove 50 hands at 2nl to see if I could make a profit and ended down 10 buyins. So I tried to recoup my losses by open shoving another 72 hands and was down 15 buyins.

I put some sweet beats on people, but they were calling with all kinds of muck and putting beats on me too.

Whats the chances of being in profit after open shoving 50 hands. I'd say its pretty difficult.

What odds will you give me?

fatguy

What are the worst habits when tilting?

I start assuming that because an opponent has bad stats he must therefore have bad cards in every single hand. He's bad right? That means I just have to keep betting and I win, right?

Flushdraw

aodea wrote: »

For example when im tilting i tend to rock it up and lose out on many profitable situations that when im not tilting i would take advantage of. All of a sudden hands that i normally love to play in certain spots no longer look as nice.

Wow...This is like anti-tilt!

jbravado

Flushdraw wrote: »

Wow...This is like anti-tilt!

Yeah lol best tilt ever.