All UK dogs to be microchipped.

Run_to_da_hills

Even dogs cannot escape the surveillance state. Under plans to be put forward by both Labour and the Conservatives at the next election, all dogs will have to be fitted with a microchip with their owner’s name, address and phone number.



In addition, a national database will hold details of all dogs in the country, including their breed, age and health. Owners who fail to insert a microchip containing a unique barcode will face a fine and possibly the right to keep their dog.

The benefits of RFID implants are huge and will be well promoted. Sales of gadgets are already available on the market. RFID dog flaps that will only let your implanted dog through, alarm portals that will warn if dog are in the area, (Kindergartens, school etc) pet retrieval services, rabies control, dog "passports", etc,

In recent years the EU has adapted most of its survey lance laws from the UK, which in turn from the US, you can be damn sure these regulations will be made mandatory to all pets across the Union in a matter of time. :eek:

As people get more accustomed to micro chipping live stock and pets so they will soon think nothing to applying it to people. It has already been proposed by several nations and Verichip has received patents for its uses with H1N1 vaccines. :eek:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article6850904.ece

Undergod

Has this not been around for ages?

The UK's Big Brother government has been supressing fundamental canine rights for decades, with forced sterilization readily available in any vet's clinic, microchipping, eugenics laws regulating the breeding of dogs, laws requiring that "dangerous breeds" be muzzled in public, and the sub-quality dog 'food' that is sold in shops, made of offcuts of organs and offal that wouldn't meet basic food safety requirements!

Where will it end?

Run_to_da_hills

Undergod wrote: »

Has this not been around for ages?

The UK's Big Brother government has been supressing fundamental canine rights for decades, with forced sterilization readily available in any vet's clinic, microchipping, eugenics laws regulating the breeding of dogs, laws requiring that "dangerous breeds" be muzzled in public, and the sub-quality dog 'food' that is sold in shops, made of offcuts of organs and offal that wouldn't meet basic food safety requirements!

Where will it end?

It was never oficially inforced, although RFID is required for international "pet passports"

When this is fully implemented we will see officials in Chinese style "execution" vehicles exterminating on the spot any unchipped mut that dosen't comply. :eek:.

seamus

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

As people get more accustomed to micro chipping live stock and pets so they will soon think nothing to applying it to people.

Bit of a leap there. Animals are branded and have been branded for more than a hundred years. Neutering is also mandatory for many types of animals. Yet we don't "think nothing" of apply a branding iron to a baby's bum or castrating homeless people.
Microchipping animals primarily makes sense on the grounds that animals can't speak for themselves (i.e. in the absence of a tag/collar, can't be identified) and that they are "owned" by humans, creating a direct line of liability. That is, where an animal causes damage or an accident and the owner can't be traced, the victim is left without recompense. On top of these, it also allows pets and owners to be easily reunited, creating much efficiency for pounds and animals shelters.

You can't apply most of these scenarios to humans - we can identify ourselves, and the incidence of humans found unable to identify themselves is so low as to make the need non-existent. You could argue that you could apply it to children, but there is no law which could ever be enacted in this country which would allow the state to implement a mandatory chipping programme in children (due to constitutional protections), nor would there be any political will to do so - children who go missing in this country physically disappear, they don't simply become unidentifiable. Also the incidence of child disappearance in this country is also very low as to make this a needless exercise.

Undergod

Dogs don't even have a voice in the Oireachtas!:eek:

Run_to_da_hills

seamus wrote: »

Bit of a leap there. Animals are branded and have been branded for more than a hundred years. .

And just a little over half a centuty ago...........

seamus wrote: »

Neutering is also mandatory for many types of animals. Yet we don't "think nothing" of apply a branding iron to a baby's bum or castrating homeless people.
Microchipping animals primarily makes sense on the grounds that animals can't speak for themselves (i.e. in the absence of a tag/collar, can't be identified) and that they are "owned" by humans, creating a direct line of liability. That is, where an animal causes damage or an accident and the owner can't be traced, the victim is left without recompense. On top of these, it also allows pets and owners to be easily reunited, creating much efficiency for pounds and animals shelters.


You can't apply most of these scenarios to humans - we can identify ourselves, and the incidence of humans found unable to identify themselves is so low as to make the need non-existent. .

Except for the elderly, infants, early release parole prisoners, sex offenders and those carrying infectious viruses.

There is a contrast between RFID and conventional braning. Conventionl branding is visible to the eye, implants are not. (Except for possible cancerous skin liesond :eek:) People will be indoctrinated into implants from a security point of view, you have your ID on you 24/7, it is cool You need not worry about forgetting your Oyster card etc etc.

seamus wrote: »

You could argue that you could apply it to children, but there is no law which could ever be enacted in this country which would allow the state to implement a mandatory chipping pro gramme in children (due to constitutional protections), nor would there be any political will to do so - children who go missing in this country physically disappear, they don't simply become unidentifiable. Also the incidence of child disappearance in this country is also very low as to make this a needless exercise.

You bringing up the subject of our constitution, I agree, it would safe guard against such however in four days time all this could go out the window.

If we vote yes we will no doubt have a foreign court way superior to our High court that will over rule all areas of our constitution in such a matter. I certainly do not trust any self amending document that would have the potential to walk all over us with the potential of introducing implants into Irish society.

We are cetainly at the mercy of the Global Elite if they decide any mass roll out of human implants.

Undergod

And in Korea they eat dogs. I can only assume they eat people.

So RtdH, Iwas going to ask "why is placing a small tracking device on Alzheimer's patients or dangerous criminals on early release such a bad thing?" but then I remembered that this thread is about dogs. Not people. And I'm okay with them putting chips in dogs.

VinnyTGM

Chips would be good if your dog was stolen or got lost.
'Sterilizing' dogs has been proven to extend their life's and avoid cancer.

Although I don't think it should be forced.