traveller conflict resolution program

genericguy

so apparently there's a new conflict resolution service to be set up which will aim to deal with disputes among the travelling community.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/0928/travellers.html

now, although we know there is a huge percentage of bad eggs in the community, we all know that not all travellers are bad. however, we all know that all travellers want to be treated as equals with settled people in society.

does anyone else think this is a waste of time? it's essentially a concession of defeat by the government in my opinion, anyone committing violent crimes should be locked up. do you think that the government would set up a fcuking sit-down-together-and-have-tea committee for the average house-dwelling anto and deco who are having scraps on the streets on a daily basis?

steps like this do more to segregate the travelling community from the rest of society by treating them differently from the rest of us in the first place.

thanks once again HSE, you useless shower of fat bastards.

myflipflops

genericguy wrote: »

now, we all know that not all however, we all know that all travellers want to be treated as equals with settled people in society.
.

No they don't. Settled people in society are expected and enforced to obey the laws of the nation and co-exist in a reasoned manner. A 'percentage' (a high one) of Travellers just want to be left alone to do whatever they hell they want with no consequences.

Fey!

Personally, I feel that regardless of race, colour or creed people who commit the same crime should be given the same punishment in the same conditions. In this day and age, I feel that the defence of social conditioning is more of an excuse/cop out than a reason.

Unfortunately, in some circles I get branded as a bigot and/or racist for my opinion.

dtwhaler

As a blow in and the little I've seen of travellers, the last thing they'd want is to be treated equally ! The majority would be locked up.

genericguy

pwhite587 wrote: »

No they don't. Settled people in society are expected and enforced to obey the laws of the nation and co-exist in a reasoned manner. A 'percentage' (a high one) of Travellers just want to be left alone to do whatever they hell they want with no consequences.

sssh dude, you can't say that here....

*runs*

super_furry

http://octopup.org/img/burning-man/2002/60-Thu/m/BM2002-0974-08292349-Thunderdome-.jpg

stevoman

what was the first reference of travellers in the bible?......

hosanna in the hiace.


i'l get my coat

genericguy

stevoman wrote: »

what was the first reference of travellers in the bible?......

hosanna in the hiace.


i'l get my coat

whopper.

orourkeda

AnonoBoy wrote: »

Heard Padraig Nally is going to mediate most of the disputes.

He's the best qualified person for the job.

Long Onion

"Traveller Conflict Resolution Programme"

Awful long winded name for 'Boxing' - ah well, that's the verbose civil service for you ...

orourkeda

Long Onion wrote: »

"Traveller Conflict Resolution Programme"

Awful long winded name for 'Boxing' - ah well, that's the verbose civil service for you ...

Let's play fighting boss

laugh

Long Onion wrote: »

Awful long winded name for 'Boxing' ..

See that Tyson Fury traveller boxer the other night?

I dunno how he got that big eatin rabbits.

Aidric

I'd advocate a Heinrich Himmler type figure to oversee this program.

4zn76tysfajdxp

I have a really good feeling about this thread.

Ally Dick

This is another big abdication of duty by the lazy cops

ScumLord

Don't see the problem here? Discussion should always be the first step. It's a fairly simple solution that's probably been overlooked since the beginning of the conflict.

Dyr

provide slash hooks and a large shed and let the concerned parties resolve the conflict in the time honoured manner of their forefathers.

My name is URL

Let them knock each other off like nature intended.

Oh The Humanity

Scatther cushions, periwinkle blue.

Dyr

Ally Dick wrote: »

Chemical castration is the only way to get knacker males to calm down

Oh dear

stovelid

Ally Dick wrote: »

Chemical castration is the only way to get knacker males to calm down

I forsee a similar, albeit discursive, castration on the horizon....

marcsignal

I can see it now

Mediator: "Well Jonjo, how did this fight start?"

Jonjo: "Micky Ward kicked his youngest daughter in the box"

Mediator: "How is that any of your business??"

Jonjo: "The Bastard broke two of me feckin fingers"

:D:D

ejmaztec

Bentley Fit Poetess wrote: »

I have a really good feeling about this thread.

Yes, it has that warm cozy glow to it, like the blood pouring from an open wound caused by a Stanley.

genericguy

ScumLord wrote: »

Don't see the problem here? Discussion should always be the first step. It's a fairly simple solution that's probably been overlooked since the beginning of the conflict.

assuming you are not a member of the itinerant community, do you think that in the event of you stabbing your neighbour in a row, the government would be as quick to offer you the chance of verbal reconciliation in lieu of a custodial sentence?

wudangclan

genericguy wrote: »

would the government would be as quick to offer you the chance of verbal reconciliation in lieu of a custodial sentence?

where does it say that's gonna happen?

genericguy

wudangclan wrote: »

where does it say that's gonna happen?

it doesn't, my point is that these fcuks are being extended the courtesy of a discussion rather than the prison time that a criminal from any 'normal' social background would get if they carried on the way the scum in question regularly do. i'd bet that this is purely a cop-out on the part of the gardaí.

citizen_p

i got an idea/....
a ring
two familys enter (its a massive ring)
which ever one survives is not guilty....

itll thin out the population as well

wudangclan

genericguy wrote: »

it doesn't, my point is that these fcuks are being extended the courtesy of a discussion rather than the prison time that a criminal from any 'normal' social background would get if they carried on the way the scum in question regularly do. i'd bet that this is purely a cop-out on the part of the gardaí.

i understood the article to say they were going to mediate disputes between travellers,not exonerate travellers from crimes relating to the feuds.

genericguy

wudangclan wrote: »

i understood the article to say they were going to mediate disputes between travellers,not exonerate travellers from crimes relating to the feuds.

nah, let's look at it from the non-governmental real-world POV - they are hoping that this will save them from bringing the travellers to account for their crimes against society.

wudangclan

genericguy wrote: »

nah, let's look at it from the non-governmental real-world POV - they are hoping that this will save them from bringing the travellers to account for their crimes against society.

ok.that's one way of looking at it.

4zn76tysfajdxp

Ally Dick wrote: »

Chemical castration is the only way to get knacker males to calm down

jackpalance wrote: »

Gyppos.

Good one lads lolllllzzz :D:D

No wait, ye're both BANNED.

delta_bravo

I dont see any problems with their current dispute resolution syste,

MizzLolly

^^^ terrible camera work :mad:

genericguy

MizzLolly wrote: »

^^^ terrible camera work :mad:

now you know not to buy one from them regardless of how many dogs they offer to throw in.

MizzLolly

genericguy wrote: »

now you know not to buy one from them regardless of how many dogs they offer to throw in.

''Ah it was a great fight, I'd say I need about three stitches in my lip and he bit the top of me ear, twice. It was a good oul fight!''

chilli_pepper

delta_bravo wrote: »

I dont see any problems with their current dispute resolution syste,

The nice Chap in the Vest looks Preggers:D

FlutterinBantam

genericguy wrote: »

so apparently there's a new conflict resolution service to be set up which will aim to deal with disputes among the travelling community.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/0928/travellers.html

now, although we know there is a huge percentage of bad eggs in the community, we all know that not all travellers are bad. however, we all know that all travellers want to be treated as equals with settled people in society.

does anyone else think this is a waste of time? it's essentially a concession of defeat by the government in my opinion, anyone committing violent crimes should be locked up. do you think that the government would set up a fcuking sit-down-together-and-have-tea committee for the average house-dwelling anto and deco who are having scraps on the streets on a daily basis?

steps like this do more to segregate the travelling community from the rest of society by treating them differently from the rest of us in the first place.

thanks once again HSE, you useless shower of fat bastards.

Spot on buddy, jail the fookers if they break the law just like everyone else.

SoWatchaWant

The law is "one size fits all". Certainly should be anyway.

CCCP^

****, I clicked on this link and expected to see a picture of a rocket to the sun with the caption "Problem solved!"

Captain Havoc

Settle down, settle down there lads!!!!!!!

firesidechat

The level of ignorance and narrow mindedness on this thread is a sad
reflection on irish society today.
Laughing and joking nor cheeky remarks will erase the problem.
A happy medium where their culture is respected and also where they must answer to the law is needed.
This will come about ONLY by dialogue, It's not the answer one wants to hear but it is reality........
So ...strap on a pair of balls and start a realistic debate or else take it to the High Horse thread.

Captain Havoc

firesidechat wrote: »

So ...strap on a pair of balls and start a realistic debate or else take it to the High Horse thread.

Is the High-Horse a piebald pony?

Dyr

I'd love to see an RTE documentary on this process, Celebrity Mediator or some such. Maybe get someone like David Norris in for a hilarious dichotomy.

They could try to mediate between the limerick gangs while they're at it, all the while respecting their drug culture of course.

brendansmith

There was a programme here in Australia about Irish travelers and one of the kids managed to get into a clothes recycling skip thing. She couldnt get out though and her mate just headed off. V Funny!:D:D:D

Captain Havoc

Bambi wrote: »

I'd love to see an RTE documentary on this process, Celebrity Mediator or some such. Maybe get someone like David Norris in for a hilarious dichotomy.

They could try to mediate between the limerick gangs while they're at it, all the while respecting their drug culture of course.

Couldn't be as good as Kilroy and the Gypsies, not sure if anyone saw it but racist and all-round w4nker Robert Kilroy Silk lived with travellers for a week with hilarious consequences.

AnonoBoy

SLUSK wrote: »

Why should we respect travellers so called "culture"?

There are enough clips on Youtube to give me an impression of what their "culture" is about.

If we're judging people by clips on Youtube then settled people are pretty f*cked too.

blackiebest

http://www.snotr.com/video/2914

Blackjack

blackiebest wrote: »

http://www.snotr.com/video/2914

We need many more of these horses.

the_syco

firesidechat wrote: »

A happy medium where their culture is respected and also where they must answer to the law is needed.

Their culture being holding County Councils, the government, local schools, etc, to ransom? That unless they pay money to the travellers, the travellers won't move? And when they do, they leave a mound of rubbish that costs many thousands of euro to clean up, never mind that the scenic spot is by then forever ruined. F**k their culture. When they obey the same law as I do, I'll think about giving a damn about their culture.

=-=

I've gotten banned before for letting people know of my "master plan" for sorting out travellers, so I won't speak of it here.

994

brendansmith wrote: »

There was a programme here in Australia about Irish travelers and one of the kids managed to get into a clothes recycling skip thing. She couldnt get out though and her mate just headed off. V Funny!:D:D:D

That's Pavee Lackeen. She came across as brain-damaged in many scenes in that film.

BANNED*


*is what this would say if I posted how I really felt.