Cars I just dont get

Drummerboy08

I spotted one of these for sale over the weekend, but the catch was he was looking for almost 10k, just like this guy! I'm all for performance motors, but these kind of prices take the piss IMO! You could have a 08 Mazda 3 MPS for a few grand more!

http://www.driving.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=200902191444453


Now is it just me, or is 10k for a 25 year old Toyota Corolla absolute madness? Imagine going into the bank looking for a loan -

"eh, i'd like a car loan for €10,000 please"
"certainly, what kind of car is it?"
"Erm, a 25 year old Toyota Corolla"

You'd be landed on the moon after getting a kick in the arse from the finance manager! I dont understand how someone could ask for such a large amount for these cars. Do they have some huge following that I unknown to me?

Saab Ed

And you get to sit in this sh!te. The Rally W^nkers love em I suppose but not for me. It would be great craic at 800 quid like all Jappo cars over 10 years old but you'd have to be off your nut IMO to pay 10 grand for one.

Alz®

Would you pay the same for a Mk1/2 Escort or maybe an old Opel Manta or the likes...

There all known as Cult classic cars and will hold there value for many years, i owned a 87' Corolla GT coupe and there well ahead of there years, there a 1.6 DOHC injection not carburettor like most cars in the 80's, 124bhp, LSD standard, E/SR..

Mazda 3 MPS and a Cult classic sports coupe cannot be compared im afraid

Drummerboy08

I'd understand it if it were enthusiasts driving them, but from what I can see, its mainly young lads wearing Prodrift jackets who buy them.

I'd also consider a mk1/2 Escort to be a superior car, for less money.

Saab Ed

Alz® wrote: »

Mazda 3 MPS and a Cult classic sports coupe cannot be compared im afraid

The words Corolla and the "cult classic " used in the same sentence is just mad to me. Everyone to their own I suppose but apart from here and Japan are they a cult classic anywhere elses?

Alz®

They are purely an enthusiasts car you like em or you hate em, like anything!!

Dont diss one til you try one as they say!!

Engine is alot better in the Corolla than the Escort IMHO

Drummerboy08

Alz® wrote: »

They are purely an enthusiasts car you like em or you hate em, like anything!!

Sorry, but a 20 year old electrician doesnt count as an enthusiast in my book. (Sorry for the generalisation)

Drummerboy08

Drummerboy08 wrote: »

I'd also consider a mk1/2 Escort to be a superior car, for less money.

less money for a restored one? i'd say ya'd have to be very lucky..

cars with a cult following are great. i wouldn't see the appeal of that levin though..

Big Nasty

While I can see the attraction in a UK/IRL Hatch AE86, a Coupe at €10k is wild money. And yes, unfortunately they seem to be driven by scroates a lot (not all) of the time.

In Jap enthusiasts defence, we were out on a charity run yesterday (25+ Muscle Cars) for a 200mile + trip in aid of Barretstown and met a few lads in Portlaoise that were seriously into their jappo stuff - real enthusiasts and not a scroate among them!

Very refreshing!

pburns

Saab Ed wrote: »

And you get to sit in this sh!te. The Rally W^nkers love em I suppose but not for me. It would be great craic at 800 quid like all Jappo cars over 10 years old but you'd have to be off your nut IMO to pay 10 grand for one.

That model Corolla was the last RWD and the sports version happened to be a humdinger. It's a deserving classic. I'd rather drive one than a FWD mega-bhp hatch like a Focus RS or Mazda MPS. Lads on here would wet themselves over the Focus in particular but engineering-wise it's a massive compromise and only sophisticated traction electronics make it driveable. Hardly man-and-machine is it?

Because it's a Jap it'll have a certain chav following but I'd have a little more respect for a chav driving one of these...

The comment about the interior makes me laugh. Who gives a flying fook what the interior looks like on a car with this recipe for fun?

10 grand does seem a lot though, cult following or not. I'd say something semi-forgotten like a Starion would look great value if you could find a good one....

colm_mcm

I remember when you could buy these for a few hundred pounds...

Alz®

Theres some older sports cars that are just absolutely sweet, wouldnt buy a new car for love nor money due to the crap electronics that are put into them...

Old sports cars such as

Toyota Supra/Celica
Datsun 240z
Mazda Rx3/Rx4 PURE MUSCLE IF BUILT RIGHT

Theres so many and alot of people would only know the famous ones, but real car enthusiasts know what im talking about

Drummerboy08

I do understand what these cars are all about, but what I dont understand is the amount of young lads who love em because they can go sideways fairly handy.

These guys are not interested in keeping a clean car, they're more interested in drifting around every roundabout they car find!

redhugh

I'd also consider a mk1/2 Escort to be a superior car, for less money.[/quote]

Are we talking about the RS2000 when we talk about the mk1/2, the RS2000 is in a different league, up there with the manta and the like

Graham_B18C

Drummerboy08 wrote: »

Sorry, but a 20 year old electrician doesnt count as an enthusiast in my book. (Sorry for the generalisation)

But a 20 year old car salesman can be??

Drummerboy08

Grahamo999 wrote: »

But a 20 year old car salesman can be??

21, :pac:

And I'm not claiming to be. All I'm saying is I dont get how someone could spend €10,000 on a 25 year old Toyota.

HashSlinging

Saab Ed wrote: »

The Rally W^nkers love em

:eek: bit OTT there ??

cpoh1

How can people say a 25 year toyota corolla cant be a classic and a 25 year old ford escort can be? Theyre not going for anywhere near 10k these days so im told. I remember the days in the late 90's when 1k would get you a decent shape one frm the uk. Has to be a uk spec white over black

zero19

Love old school japanese cars myself, but wouldn't pay that much for that car

Biro

pburns wrote: »

That model Corolla was the last RWD and the sports version happened to be a humdinger. It's a deserving classic. I'd rather drive one than a FWD mega-bhp hatch like a Focus RS or Mazda MPS. Lads on here would wet themselves over the Focus in particular but engineering-wise it's a massive compromise and only sophisticated traction electronics make it driveable. Hardly man-and-machine is it?

Because it's a Jap it'll have a certain chav following but I'd have a little more respect for a chav driving one of these...

The comment about the interior makes me laugh. Who gives a flying fook what the interior looks like on a car with this recipe for fun?

10 grand does seem a lot though, cult following or not. I'd say something semi-forgotten like a Starion would look great value if you could find a good one....

The problem isn't that the RWD corolla isn't a classic or worthy of respect or anything, it's the 10k price tag. You could get a 93 Supra for that. They're worth 3k max.

antomorro-sei

They're cool cars IMO, but 10k is a bit much

Saab Ed

pburns wrote: »

The comment about the interior makes me laugh. Who gives a flying fook what the interior looks like on a car with this recipe for fun?

At 10 grand I do. You can buy a similar year 3 Series for a quarter that money. Like thats border line M3 money or if you fancy it a much newer M3 for less. These things might be great craic but the point being its 10 grand...... NUTS ....for what is for all intents and purposes a a glorified DX hatchback. You can still buy a 2.9 Capri for a couple of grand in the UK, every bit the drivers car but not at 10 grand.

robtri

some cars have this effect on people, and certain ones like the AE86 becomes cult classics and becuase of that, they change hands at silly money...
look at the recent thread we had about the land rover.... all the poeple saying it was a good deal and other people saying it was stupid to pay that much for an old 4x4 abused land rover.....



thats the great thing about cars, there are so many different cars out there to suit individual tastes...... and when a few people have the same taste for a particular car that is slowly getting rarer and rarer, the price climbs....

personally, I like the old beast, but I wouldnt pay 10k for it....

BnA

The one car that I just do not get is the Nissan Figaro...

http://www.carzone.ie/search/Nissan/Figaro/200937195145708/advert?channel=CARS

This is the cheapest one on carzone. €7k for a freggin Micra. IMO, you would have to be nothing short of an utter twat to buy one.

To a lesser extent, I feel the same about VW beetles.

RE the car the OP mentioned. I wouldn't spend the money on it myself, but I could see what would attract someone to it.

antomorro-sei

Actually, whats the cheapest you'd pick one up for? The Corolla like...

Graham_B18C

Drummerboy08 wrote: »

21, :pac:

And I'm not claiming to be. All I'm saying is I dont get how someone could spend €10,000 on a 25 year old Toyota.

That wasn't a jab at you, i'd consider myself fairly into my cars, but I wouldn't buy something like that...because its poxy looking.

I do think its fairly overpriced bt I'm sure there's someone somewhere that a car like this will appeal to, probably one of the dudes driving the AE86's!!

TBH I dont know what you were getting at about the 20 year old electrician thing though, not starting an arguement, just a lil confused!

Drummerboy08

Grahamo999 wrote: »

TBH I dont know what you were getting at about the 20 year old electrician thing though, not starting an arguement, just a lil confused!

Sorry. Alot of my mates bought one (mainly to act the bollix in on the roundabouts, and on the Port road in Waterford) as soon as they qualified as a sparks, or another trade, so every time I see one I just think young tradesman! Its quite the generalisation, I know.

Zube

BnA wrote: »

IMO, you would have to be nothing short of an utter twat to buy one.

Ah, but when you sell it on, you get your money back! No depreciation because its a limited edition collectable, not many cars you can say that about.

VolvoMan

For the price of that untidy 25 year old Corolla you could probably buy five mid-nineties Jag XJ-R's.

my car is one that alot of people don't get.. the e30.

i had my car in work the day after gettin it and one of the girls said she wouldn't be seen next to it.. didn't have the car 24 hours even. all the lads figured she was an eegit and i don't get on with her to this day. zero tact.
some people love it, some people hate it.. part of why i love owning one of the old yokes.

my car is one that alot of people don't get.. the e30.

i had my car in work the day after gettin it and one of the girls said she wouldn't be seen next to it.. didn't have the car 24 hours even. all the lads figured she was an eegit and i don't get on with her to this day. zero tact.
some people love it, some people hate it.. part of why i love owning one of the old yokes.

HashSlinging

some people are just into modern cars, technology etc, have been guilty in the past of looking down my nose at some of the older cars that was before I drove any of them, after driving some of them (e.g. mk 2 escorts) I can see they are for purists and that I wouldn't mind getting involved in them...


One of the lads I know is working on one of these at the moment.. dropping a red top engine in..

Stunning.

cpoh1

Saab Ed wrote: »

At 10 grand I do. You can buy a similar year 3 Series for a quarter that money. Like thats border line M3 money or if you fancy it a much newer M3 for less. These things might be great craic but the point being its 10 grand...... NUTS ....for what is for all intents and purposes a a glorified DX hatchback. You can still buy a 2.9 Capri for a couple of grand in the UK, every bit the drivers car but not at 10 grand.

First of all lets get one thing straight, these cars are not selling for 10 grand. A fully rebuilt from the bare chassis example with full aftermarket suspension and engine transplant (for example newer 6age 20v toyota engine) can be bought for 7k. Thats for all intents and purposes a brand new 25 year old car for your money (apologies for the pun!).

Sure you can buy a capri for 2k sterling that needs a shed load of work but people are paying top dollar for fully rebuilt cars like the mk2 escort, capri and ae86. Its supply and demand!

As for the comment about being borderline E30 M3 money, show me a mint one of these for sale for 10k and ill buy two :P

Saab Ed

cpoh1 wrote: »

As for the comment about being borderline E30 M3 money, show me a mint one of these for sale for 10k and ill buy two :P

I'll admit 10k for a mint M3 is a touch optimistic but I did find this....

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1245224.htm

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VRT'ed for a little over 10 grand and this.....

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1229309.htm

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Now Im not exactly a million miles away at that. Which would you rather have. Anyway I think we are arguing the same thing. I under stand that people like thoses old Toyotas but not at 10 grand.

Yakult

^Dont think I've ever wanted a e30 more than now... :eek:

anyway that will never sell for 10 grand and if it does lol, considering how cheap they have gotten in recent months. And its a dealer, he's obviously gonna chance he's arm seeing as they are popular cars among people. Granted it probably is 100% unlike alot. The only twin cams that are making that money are highly tuned and they have to be big in terms of spec.

FreudianSlippers

Deleted User wrote: »

my car is one that alot of people don't get.. the e30.

i had my car in work the day after gettin it and one of the girls said she wouldn't be seen next to it.. didn't have the car 24 hours even. all the lads figured she was an eegit and i don't get on with her to this day. zero tact.
some people love it, some people hate it.. part of why i love owning one of the old yokes.

I love e30s... they are important in most people's opinion as they are genesis for the majority of auto design trends since the mid-80s. When most were doing boxy and strange, the e30 had some sexy lines.... not to mention it is still a great car to drive 20 years later!

Zube

OisinT wrote: »

When most were doing boxy and strange

The E30 is the boxiest 3 box saloon that ever boxed.

johnmaloney88

these threads annoy me, first of all very few corollas are going for 10k, secondly you can't compare the prices of classics cars (which the ae86 now is whether you like it or not) to new cars. you won't get a mk2 escort with the same spec as an ae86 for cheaper! as standard the ae86 has better suspension, brakes and an lsd not including the mexico, 1600 sport, rs2000 etc, but these fords demand a way bigger price. you could probably buy a new small kia for the same price as these cars but if you judge the value of a car soley on it's age then you're not a real enthusiast. the corolla is older but better! also you could buy m3s for similar money to corollas but you have higher tax, heavier on petrol, way way more expensive to fix if things go wrong and not a whole lot more fun. i've driven both and i've had a supra but i love old corollas more! i did love the supra though! don't judge til you've driven one. and don't judge people cos they choose to spend big money on a car they really want. If someone wants to spend a lot on a mk2 or a lovely e30 m3 that's their choice, you'll never understand why they did it unless you share they same love for that particular type of car as they do.
Finally just because someone is young and working construction how on earth does that mean they can't be a car enthusiast?!

Zube

johnmaloney88 wrote: »

these threads annoy me

Have a nice cup of tea.

Drummerboy08

Oh my, it seems I upset people with this thread.








Oh well.

johnmaloney88

Zube wrote: »

Have a nice cup of tea.

ha! you don't annoy me drummer boy but you see this same thread on car forums over and over again! a lot of people hate twincams and it gets old.

Saab Ed

OisinT wrote: »

e30s... they are important in most people's opinion as they are genesis for the majority of auto design trends since the mid-80s. When most were doing boxy and strange, the e30 had some sexy lines.... !

Ehhhh....!!!!!! Wha??????

The Genesis for the Majority of Auto design trends since the mid 80's!!!!!!!

When most were doing boxy and strange, the e30 had some sexy lines!!!!!

Is this a wind-up......what am I missing here?

Signed.....Confussed:p

Stevie Dakota

OisinT wrote: »

I love e30s... they are important in most people's opinion as they are genesis for the majority of auto design trends since the mid-80s. When most were doing boxy and strange, the e30 had some sexy lines.... !

I remember when the Merc 190 (W201) came out, the E30 suddenly looked very old hat by comparison, yet today the E30 looks less dated than the 190. Go figure.

OisinT

OisinT wrote: »

I love e30s... they are important in most people's opinion as they are genesis for the majority of auto design trends since the mid-80s. When most were doing boxy and strange, the e30 had some sexy lines.... not to mention it is still a great car to drive 20 years later!

cudnt agree more

andr3w103

i assume its because more people love them.......because in all fairness which has more character a mk2 escort(which is a similar case to the twincam) or a mazda 3 ..... and everyone in rally seems to aspire to have an escort mkii




corrollas are so expensive because they are every boy racers dream



but i have to agree they are ridiculus money

andr3w103

Zube wrote: »

The E30 is the boxiest 3 box saloon that ever boxed.

i agree
but still like..............my fav car anyway bmw designes arent crap on what they were then.....did anyone here see the ne seven series how did the e38 mutate into that monster!!!!

--Kaiser--

I actually don't know anyone who's into cars who wouldn't want a mint example of these, these are classic drivers cars, there's no namby pamby traction control or the like to do the driving for you, they still look the part too (if looked after).

Trust me, in 5 years an immaculate version of one of these is going to be worth a lot more.

andr3w103

andr3w103 wrote: »

i agree
but still like..............my fav car anyway bmw designes arent crap on what they were then.....did anyone here see the ne seven series how did the e38 mutate into that monster!!!!

couldn't agree more!

sex:



abstinance:

andr3w103

Deleted User wrote: »

couldn't agree more!

sex:

my bro used 2 hav 1 like dat 728i 3.2l:D

Eoin

andr3w103 wrote: »

my bro used 2 hav 1 like dat 728i 3.2l:D

Hi andr3w103, can you not use text speak please.

andr3w103

eoin wrote: »

Hi andr3w103, can you not use text speak please.

sorry.....every so often i do that without noticing