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Norway and the EU
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29-09-2009 12:23am#1
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Norway have enough oil money to keep themselves going in case of an emergency, and i believe fishing rights is another big issue for them. They're sufficiently cushioned from needing what we needed when we joined.
And fishing rights isn't a big issue for an Island nation
. But as I said I do understand that Norway has Oil $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ 0 -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norway_and_the_European_Union
* As of 2005, Norway pays an annual fee of €240 million to the EU budget but it receives no EU expenditure
not only do they have to pay for the privilege of trading with EU
they have to implement all the laws while having NO say in them
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just some facts in case any NO supporters here decide to compare Ireland to Norway (again! while ignoring that Norway have a wealth of natural resources such as oil)
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I was just point out some of the issues that Norway has with the EU. The Democracy thing stands out for me but then they are members of the EDA :eek:
Not with comparing Ireland to Norway. As I said in my OP.
Oh and you forgot to mention Fish as a natural resource, not that I am compare or anything.
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I was just point out some of the issues that Norway has with the EU. The Democracy thing stands out for me but then they are members of the EDA :eek:
Not with comparing Ireland to Norway. As I said in my OP.
Oh and you forgot to mention Fish as a natural resource, not that I am compare or anything.
Ireland is a member of EDA too
we are spending 700,000 euro (yes thats the price of average Dublin home) over 3 years
on a single research project into bulletproof technology for our soldiers in the field
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Ireland is a member of EDA too
we are spending 700,000 euro (yes thats the price of average Dublin home) over 3 years
on a single research project into bulletproof technology for our soldiers in the field
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Now put it in context that is the price the Ministers can use to get about the world on. When they need to save the would and now the want to waste a small amount of money on arms that we will prob never use.
I would be great if that research was used help rescue workers and the RNLI etc. Hopeful some of that 700,000 will go their way.
Price of an average house in Dublin 3 years ago you mean surely.0 -
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Now put it in context that is the price the Ministers can use to get about the world on. When they need to save the would and now the want to waste a small amount of money on arms that we will prob never use.
I would be great if that research was used help rescue workers and the RNLI etc. Hopeful some of that 700,000 will go their way.
Price of an average house in Dublin 3 years ago you mean surely.
if it saves the lives of our boys in Chad or whatever godforsaken part of the world they are in now
then its money well spend
i cant believe your arguing over 700k when the likes of FAS chief walk away with millions in ransom and the likes of Ganley spend as much on a campaign of misinformation and dont have to show where a cent came from
and if you think Ireland is anything like Norway then you really need to get back down to the real world
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John O'Donaghue and Roddy Molly and the rest of them thats is what I was talking about.
You seem obsessed by Chad and yet you seem to have no interest in search and rescue and developments in such activities. I wonder if the EU are as good at use the savings to send the defense commissioner on junkets and 5 star hotels, they could care less about our lads in Chad or what ever other country they are in.
I dont know anything about search and rescue, they get plenty of money too from the government, btw RNLI are a charity, in case you didnt know the Irish government is still giving away a portion of our GDP to charities and aid
so far im the one providing figures and facts and references here
while you put more rubbish out and see if it sticks
btw here is more facts and figures What's Europe Ever Done For Us?
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I dont know anything about search and rescue, they get plenty of money too from the government, btw RNLI are a charity, in case you didnt know the Irish government is still giving away a portion of our GDP to charities and aid
so far im the one providing figures and facts and references here
while you put more rubbish out and see if it sticks
You should then be able to advice me if Search and Rescue and Health as important than the EDA. Personnel they are far more important.
The first major problem I have is that the RNLI is a charity why isn't the government running it or giving it as much funding as the Army if not more, I suppose it saves them money for curtains and other sundries.0 -
You should then be able to advice me if Search and Rescue and Health as important than the EDA. Personnel they are far more important.
The first major problem I have is that the RNLI is a charity why isn't the government running it or giving it as much funding as the Army if not more, I suppose it saves them money for curtains and other sundries.
EDA research (700k) is part of our military spending
that wouldn't even buy a tank btw
do you have a problem with our defence forces?
do you want our peace keepers to go into the field and do the jobs we ask them to do with substandard equipment that could cost their lives?
why dont you pop into this forum and suggest what you did above, see how quickly they eat you for dinner
btw why dont you go and readup on EDA, membership is not mandatory and countries can pull out, our Defence minister taught it be a good idea to spend 700,000 on bulletproof vests for our soldiers
well i ****ing tell you thats a better use for my tax money that 54,000,000,000 that the Finance minister is giving to NAMA
here straight from the horses mouth Jimmy Deenihan (Kerry North, Fine Gael) asking Willie O'Dea (Minister, Department of Defence; Limerick East, Fianna Fail) about Irelands involvement in the EDA
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EDA research (700k) is part of our military spending
that wouldn't even buy a tank btw
do you have a problem with our defence forces?
do you want our peace keepers to go into the field and do the jobs we ask them to do with substandard equipment that could cost their lives?
why dont you pop into this forum and suggest what you did above, see how quickly they eat you for dinner
btw why dont you go and readup on EDA, membership is not mandatory and countries can pull out, our Defence minister taught it be a good idea to spend 700,000 on bulletproof vests for our soldiers
well i ****ing tell you thats a better use for my tax money that 54,000,000,000 that the Finance minister is giving to NAMA
here straight from the horses mouth Jimmy Deenihan (Kerry North, Fine Gael) asking Willie O'Dea (Minister, Department of Defence; Limerick East, Fianna Fail) about Irelands involvement in the EDA
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I have nothing against our peace keeping force or the UNs or the EU however I have a problem with the US and the UK going to war in Iraq for no real reason other than blind revenge. If these types of military actions take place with the use of the EDA then I have a problem, no problem with saving people lives and when I say saving peoples lives I mean the citizens of war torn countries, not the people sent out the save them (obivously they are important but their mission is the protection of innocent civilians and that can only be help with more spending in health, search and rescue research not in armaments). I think that is a fairly substantial view of what I think of the EDA in its current form I do not believe that it should be part of the treaty and it is part of the treaty. I know we are members but I even go as far as to say I disagree with that. Regardless of the cost, life is far more important than money or savings.
Imagine how much Minister O'Dea could have spent on the Army and on search and rescue had those same ministers not mishandled our economy and our money on many many expensive sundries. You know I don't think much of FF or Willie O'Dea.0 -
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so do I
and btw you might be shocked to find out that
General. Richard Myers - one of the masterminds of the Iraq invasion, ex bush's chief of staff is a director in Declan Ganley's company along with other top brass and ex Bush buddies
Yes the same guy who wants a United States of Europe
and is the leading figurehead for the NO campaign
whats say you now? keep that in mind if you decide to vote NO and dislike the Iraw war
why dont you go and please readup on what EDA is about, it is not NATO but an research institution
Ireland and any country can pull out of EDA at any time with or without Lisbon
you have gone way of on a tangent because of complete lack of understanding about the subject your talking about
please educate yourself, there are previous threads on EDA and Ireland here in this forum
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You might be surprised to hear that I don't listen to DG.
Did I say anything about NATO??? NO keep on topic your putting words into my mouth.
Ireland will never pull out of the EDA, our govs just don't do things like that.
I have read up on the EDA which is a research institution into armaments, and is their to provide a e-tendering to European nations for armaments. I think it would be better to be a research institute into search and rescue and the an e-tendering platform for EU nations looking for equipment for such things.
You will be surprised to find that the NO and YES have a wide range of people for and against the Lisbon Treaty. I am sure that FF and FG have a good relationship with the American Republican Party. (FF/FG are not that wide ) 0 -
You might be surprised to hear that I don't listen to DG.
good unfortunately many others do, and I will keep reminding people what a hypocrite he is (i hope hes no a member here
ive collected enough infractions today )Did I say anything about NATO??? NO keep on topic your putting words into my mouth.
what you described earlier is fear of an organisation like NATO, something that EDA is not and never will beIreland will never pull out of the EDA, our govs just don't do things like that.
then when the next election comes make sure to make fuss about it
whether you vote YES or NO,
EDA and Ireland's research project with it, will still be there
EDA was founded under NICE from what I remember?
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good unfortunately many others do, and I will keep reminding people what a hypocrite he is (i hope hes no a member here ive collected enough infractions today )
what you described earlier is fear of an organisation like NATO, something that EDA is not and never will be
then when the next election comes make sure to make fuss about it
whether you vote YES or NO,
EDA and Ireland's research project with it, will still be there
EDA was founded under NICE from what I remember?
Seriously most politican's are hypocrites, look ye have Mr. Ryanair on your side of the table :rolleyes:
No I didn't I said that the UK could use armaments procured from the EDA in war, is this not the case as much as we can use them on peacekeeping missions.
The next election won't change Ireland's position on the EDA since those parties who might be against will just go along with the ruling party. i.e. FG or FF.
And if the EDA was formed under nice then guess what I voted NO.0 -
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MOL a politician hehehehe
i think hes ashamed to call himself that
and unlike Ganley he will step down as promised and keep his word
You know while I disagree with DG and am suspicious of him, he is allowed to speak out on these issue should he so wish. MOL is a complete asshole I have even less respect for him. His attitude of "Oh! you just want to be Dana" sorry MOL but guess what she actually was an MEP for this country.
Anyway TBH its late and the Yes side will win on Friday and think it is brilliant. Perhaps this is why politicians don't listen.0 -
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You know while I disagree with DG and am suspicious of him, he is allowed to speak out on these issue should he so wish. MOL is a complete asshole I have even less respect for him. His attitude of "Oh! you just want to be Dana" sorry MOL but guess what she actually was an MEP for this country.
Anyway TBH its late and the Yes side will win on Friday and think it is brilliant. Perhaps this is why politicians don't listen.
<take a deep breath!>
you know I agree with you
i was disappointed by MOL performance
a waste of space that was
<yes this is one of them rare moments theres consensus in this forum>
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