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amendments to lisbon treaty.

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    #62
    squod
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,704 ✭✭✭squod


    P. Breathnach wrote: »
    I'm going to vote on amendments to the Irish Constitution.


    Just more of it.........


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    #63
    K-9
    Registered Users Posts: 43,311 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    Maybe one of the countries may renege on ratifying and not lodge this "so called" Treaty with the Italian Govt.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



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    #64
    ixtlan
    Registered Users Posts: 1,213 ✭✭✭ixtlan


    squod wrote: »
    FFS.

    What you are going to vote on is the Lisbon treaty.

    The guarantees are not referenced to or listed on the balot paper.

    What is the problem here.

    Arguing for the sake of it?

    The guarantees have the same legal weight as the EU treaties themselves. They are outside EU law just as in a way the EU treaties are, in that they are individual agreements between states.

    You may say that the states may ignore the guarantees and break that treaty, but in that case the states may ignore the Lisbon treaty and break that treaty, and in fact we could do that too.

    There is no precedent to EU states breaking any treaty in this way, and it would be a disaster for the EU. It will not happen and all these treaties will be honoured.

    The no side are being ridiculously hypocritical. If the guarantees are going to be ignored then what do they care about what's in Lisbon? We could then ignore it too!

    Ix.


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    #65
    squod
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,704 ✭✭✭squod


    ixtlan wrote: »
    The guarantees have the same legal weight as the EU treaties themselves. They are outside EU law just as in a way the EU treaties are, in that they are individual agreements between states.

    You may say that the states may ignore the guarantees and break that treaty, but in that case the states may ignore the Lisbon treaty and break that treaty, and in fact we could do that too.

    There is no precedent to EU states breaking any treaty in this way, and it would be a disaster for the EU. It will not happen and all these treaties will be honoured.

    The no side are being ridiculously hypocritical. If the guarantees are going to be ignored then what do they care about what's in Lisbon? We could then ignore it too!

    Ix.


    Missed some posts?


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    #66
    marco_polo
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 10,079 Mod ✭✭✭✭marco_polo


    squod wrote: »
    Missed some posts?

    You mean your posts the central tenet of which was the argumentum ad infinitum logically falacy?

    Whereby somebody who arguments have been refuted multiple times just keeps on repeating the same thing over and over again untill everyone else gets bored.

    To infinity and beyond!
    FFS.

    One hundred and three times.

    What you are going to vote on is the Lisbon treaty.

    The guarantees are not referenced to or listed on the balot paper.

    What is the problem here.

    Arguing for the sake of it?
    If that were the case there'd be a post script at the back of the treaty.
    Guess what? There isn't.

    It's the same treaty.

    The guarantees don't appear on the ballot. They are not a condition of your vote.

    That's one hundred and two times.
    FFS!

    Another hundred times?

    You are voting on the same treaty.

    These guarantees are not in the treaty.

    These guarantees are not a condition of your vote.

    End of.


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