Public Sector Pay. This one is 68 - 83K

Long Onion

Ladies, please!

https://www.publicjobs.ie/downloads/09635_St_Finbarrs_Hospital_Cork.doc

The info isn't hard to find, it's in the candidate booklet. Principal Social worker looks after a team of 17 staff in the Cork role - couldn't be arsed looking at the other ones, links are on the job site.

Riskymove

jimmmy wrote: »

That still does not excuse you from claiming or insinuating things I never said.

fair enough jimmmy...

I'll clarify that you do not, in fact, think "all" public servants are skivers or useless

you just think a lot of of them are

Riskymove

Long Onion wrote: »

The info isn't hard to find,

it is for some

jimmmy

Riskymove wrote: »

fair enough jimmmy...

I'll clarify that you do not, in fact, think "all" public servants are skivers or useless.

you just think a lot of of them are

Incorrect again...I never said that or used those words "skivers and useless" about even just a lot of them. Please try to be more careful Riskymove.

optocynic

Riskymove wrote: »

lol:pac:

most childish retort I have seen for a while

So's your face!:p

Riskymove

optocynic wrote: »

So's your face!:p

yore ma

Riskymove

jimmmy wrote: »

Please try to be more careful Riskymove.

ooh er.......right so...Sir

jimmmy

Long Onion wrote: »

https://www.publicjobs.ie/downloads/09635_St_Finbarrs_Hospital_Cork.doc

The info isn't hard to find, it's in the candidate booklet. Principal Social worker looks after a team of 17 staff in the Cork role - couldn't be arsed looking at the other ones, links are on the job site.

I still ask where it says the "Principal Social Worker" " co-ordinates the work of " " a team of, say, 12 social workers " ( P. Breathnachs words, not mine ) ?

The link does say " The team consists of a Principal Social Worker, 2 Team Leaders, 12 Social Work posts and 3 Administrative Staff.　 4 of the Social Workers are based in West Cork and North Cork and work closely with the Child Protection Teams in those areas.　 The remainder are based in Cork City.". The link also talks about the need to "Collaborate with the General Manager or equivalent " etc...but who is to say there is not a co-ordinator or manager to deal with these staff, rather than all the responsibility falling on just the "Principal Social worker" ?

Anyway, as other posters have pointed out, it seems like a lot of money , especially when compared to other jobs elsewhere outside the Irish public service eg in the UK, a larger, more industrialised G7 country.

Long Onion

Ok, so it seems you do want to be spoonfed after all - I tried to help you out here Jimmmy

1. Be responsible for the overall management and performance of social work activity within the designated area in keeping with good professional practice and subject to agreed policy directives and priorities.
2. Provide clinical and professional leadership in the delivery of a high quality social work service.
3. To perform such duties appropriate to a Principal Social Worker as may be assigned
4. To serve within the area of the Health Service Executive.
5. To be responsible for relevant administrative duties pertaining to the team including personnel returns, collection and provision of relevant statistical information and budget management.
6. Be responsible for the delivery of social work service within the budget allocation.
7. Provide professional leadership at meetings, committees and/or other fora as required.
8. To supervise assigned Team Leaders, Social Workers, Childcare Workers and other home support staff.
9. Develop good working relationships with other Heads of Service, professionals, specialist services, community and voluntary organisations to provide integrated quality care to service users.
10. Develop and promote integrated models of service delivery between relevant stakeholders
11. To develop the fostering service in line with the relevant legislation, regulations and national standards to meet current and emerging trends and unmet needs.
12. To develop procedures within the team to ensure the highest standard of service delivery.
13. To keep the Child Care Manager fully informed and up to date on relevant and appropriate matters pertaining to the work of the Principal Social Worker and his/her team.
14. To establish with the Child Care Manager service plans, targets and work programmes to ensure the delivery and implementation of a high quality, cost effective service.
15. The Principal Social Worker may be required from time to time, where applicable, to take on a small caseload of difficult or sensitive cases.
16. To review and assess Social Work objectives in the discharge of the Health Service Executives statutory obligations under the Childcare and Health Acts.
17. Ensure the implementation of current and evolving legislation, policies and procedures, guidelines and protocols.
18. To co-operate with the medical, nursing, para-medical and other staff of the Health Service Executive and with organisations and individuals participating in welfare services.
19. Ensure anti-discriminatory practice and cultural competence, at individual and service levels.
20. Seek the development of fair and equitable social policy and where inequalities are identified lobby for change.
21. Help and advice the PCCC Managers in the planning and provision of social work services
22. Facilitate clear channels of communication to relevant management structures in relation to social work service issues.
23. Ensure that the Social Work service values diversity and respect in the workplace.
24. To perform such duties appropriate to the office as may be assigned from time to time by the Director of Human Resources, or other authorised officers

I wasn't commenting on the salary by the way - just posting the link and answering a question.

Riskymove

Long Onion wrote: »

Ok, so it seems you do want to be spoonfed after all - I tried to help you out here Jimmmy

welcome to jimmmy's world:pac:

murf313

jimmmy wrote: »

never mind the marale of the social workers in the UK....think of the morale of many in the private sector here as they suffer redundancy / pay cuts / lack of security / pension wipe outs , and as they struggle to support the highest paid public sector in the known world ( avg of 966 per week : source c.s.o. ).

jimmmy, each of your posts look exactly the same, nearly word for word.

public service bashing as usual.

everytime someone posts with credible evidence which is contrary to what you think, you just ignore it and ramble on.

i think its got to the point where no one even takes you seriously any more.....

ps. you still didnt say whether YOU had taken a pay cut or not....

jimmmy

Long Onion wrote: »

Ok, so it seems you do want to be spoonfed after all - I tried to help you out here Jimmmy

I had read the link so no need to copy and paste...but nowhere in your copy + paste does it answer my question. Never mind.

jimmmy

SLUSK wrote: »

The public sector is way overpaid in Ireland, in most other countries people in the public sector earn less than in the private sector. This sounds like some sort of middle management job which according to my guestimation would max pay 55k in the private sector and there you would have to do alot of unpaid overtime as well since you are on a set salary and not on an hourly wage.

I agree, but many of those in the p.s. - or at least their unions - do not see it that way.

Long Onion

jimmmy wrote: »

I had read the link so no need to copy and paste...but nowhere in your copy + paste does it answer my question. Never mind.

8. To supervise assigned Team Leaders, Social Workers, Childcare Workers and other home support staff.

jimmmy

murf313 wrote: »

. you still didnt say whether YOU had taken a pay cut or not....

I did actually, in some thread where someone asked me that....please show me post / thread concerned where you say I did not. ( as I cannot monitor / be aware of every question or post everyone ever asks ).
Yes, I have taken a big pay cut. Neither do I enjoy job security and in common with nearly everyone in the private sector any small pension income I had to look forward to upon retirement is looking much smaller after the events of the past year or so.

Riskymove

Long Onion wrote: »

8. To supervise assigned Team Leaders, Social Workers, Childcare Workers and other home support staff.

leave it man, leave it

you see unless there is a line in the document that says exactly what P.Breatnach said (even though he was just talking and not quoting) jimmmy wont accept anything


so even though it says as you quoted and it also says there are 12 social workers it does not say anywhere that you would be "responisble for a team of, say, 12 social workers"

so therefore it is not proven:pac:

murf313

jimmmy wrote: »

I did actually, in some thread where someone asked me that....please show me post / thread concerned where you say I did not. ( as I cannot monitor / be aware of every question or post everyone ever asks ).
Yes, I have taken a big pay cut. Neither do I enjoy job security and in common with nearly everyone in the private sector any small pension income I had to look forward to upon retirement is looking much smaller after the events of the past year or so.

sorry but i believe your exact words where "im earning less now than i did a couple of years ago"

with regard to your pension if you think its to small, contribute more to it.

the PS has been getting a always had a pension associated with it, so why is it such a big deal now? if you wanted a pension like this why didnt you work for the government? maybe its beacause the wages werent good enough?

jimmmy

Tim Robbins wrote: »

Here's a nice little number.
35 hours per week.
31 days off per year.
Big Pension.
All the usual perks.
And of course very nice salary much more than most skilled workers in the private sector.

I agree, but its still not clear how much real responsibility the role involves. The link talks about the need to "Collaborate with the General Manager or equivalent " and being part of a team which "consists of a Principal Social Worker, 2 Team Leaders, 12 Social Work posts and 3 Administrative Staff."　 Anyway, nice little number, as you say.

jimmmy

murf313 wrote: »

sorry but i believe your exact words where "im earning less now than i did a couple of years ago"

So you did know my income is reduced.

murf313 wrote: »

with regard to your pension if you think its to small, contribute more to it.

easier said than done

murf313 wrote: »

the PS has been getting a always had a pension associated with it, so why is it such a big deal now?

Because pensions were never as high as they are now, because these pensions are costing the govt billions, and because we are having to borrow 20 to 24 billion per year.

murf313 wrote: »

if you wanted a pension like this why didnt you work for the government?

because politics is not about me. Not everyone could or should work for the govt. We have the highest paid public service in the known world ; we cannot all pay ourselves an avg. of 966 per week.

afterhours

good on the person who gets this job... horse shoe up their arse

murf313

jimmmy wrote: »

So you did know my income is reduced.


easier said than done


Because pensions were never as high as they are now, because these pensions are costing the govt billions, and because we are having to borrow 20 to 24 billion per year.


because politics is not about me. Not everyone could or should work for the govt. We have the highest paid public service in the known world ; we cannot all pay ourselves an avg. of 966 per week.

wheres your source for this "highest paid" in the known world?

that still dosnt constitute a pay cut, as i already said i earn less than i did now even though i used to work in the private sector. are you getting that....... I make LESS money now that i work in public sector and I work more unsociable hours.

jimmmy

murf313 wrote: »

wheres your source for this "highest paid" in the known world?.

Irish C.S.O. ( Central Statistics Office ) statistics on public service wages, and nobody has been able to come up with a public service in the world which is more than the c.s.o average. I advocate bigger pay cuts in those higher up in the p.s. that those lower down. In another thread I gave the figuers of the salary of our Central Bank head, showing him to be paid more than the head of the central bank in UK, The EC, , the US etc.

murf313 wrote: »

that still dosnt constitute a pay cut, as i already said i earn less than i did now even though i used to work in the private sector. are you getting that....... I make LESS money now that i work in public sector and I work more unsociable hours.

Why not get a job in the private sector so, as most peoples experience seems to be the opposite of yours. Your experience of being worse paid in the p.s. is the opposite of that found in the ERSI study etc. However I do believe it if you say so, as exceptions can and would arise in any study of over 300,000 people.

murf313

jimmmy wrote: »

Irish C.S.O. ( Central Statistics Office ) statistics on public service wages, and nobody has been able to come up with a public service in the world which is more than the c.s.o average. I advocate bigger pay cuts in those higher up in the p.s. that those lower down. In another thread I gave the figuers of the salary of our Central Bank head, showing him to be paid more than the head of the central bank in UK, The EC, , the US etc.


Why not get a job in the private sector so, as most peoples experience seems to be the opposite of yours. Your experience of being worse paid in the p.s. is the opposite of that found in the ERSI study etc. However I do believe it if you say so, as exceptions can and would arise in any study of over 300,000 people.

as i said, i can put my hand on my heart and say i get paid less than i did when i worked in the private sector but that was my choice.

i will aslo agree with 100% that cuts have to be made to the higher earners in the PS.
But anyone earning less than 40k should not be touched (pension levy etc already imposed)

dvpower

Sponge Bob wrote: »

This job specifically involves dealing with Dublin smackheads 24/7 and also with the scissor sisters type of utterly dysfunctional skanger scum and their poor benighted next generation.

Sponge Bob wrote: »

What do you think a senior social worker does in Dublin ?

Would they manage teletubbies or maybe counsel the contestants on some Bill Cullen reality shows ????

Did you not read the jobspecs? Far better than uninformed drivel.

jimmmy

You are entitled to your opinion, I am entitled to mine. Murf313, I have a constructive suggestion for you though. I do believe you when you say you are less well paid in the p.s. sector than in the private sector. Why not try to get the paid leave for up to 3 years ...some p.s. employees are getting up to 36,000 for this "career break"...and use your time in the private sector ( if its higher paid than your p.s. job , as you say it is ) , here or overseas....or would that be against the terms of the p.s. " work initiative" as one p.s. worker called it ? Or is it only for those wanting to raise kids / travel around the world ?

mjth2004

The public sector / private sector debate regarding salaries, in my case salary within the public sector is lower:

2008 - private sector working within construction I was earning 60k excluding 10% bonus (once the company made a 30% annual profit) & requested overtime!

2009 - same job within the public sector (by applying through publicjobs.ie which anyone else could of done) my salary prior to the pension levy is 40k.

Why did i jump ship - like everyone else i could read the newspapers & could see what was coming down the line!

Tester46

murf313 wrote: »

the PS has been getting a always had a pension associated with it, so why is it such a big deal now? if you wanted a pension like this why didnt you work for the government? maybe its beacause the wages werent good enough?

To be fair, historically it was always the case in this country (and many others) that public services workers did not get paid as much as their private sector colleagues. However, they enjoyed other benefits (state pensions, job security, career breaks and all the other benefits listed ad nauseum here).

Then benchmarking happened and public sector workers got large increases in their salary scales to keep them "in line" with their private sector colleagues. Since then, private sector wages have decreased (and I am personally aware of several 25% and 30% pay cuts this year alone). Why then is it unreasonable to ask public sector workers to be "benchmarked" back to match their private sector colleagues again. Why was benchmarking only acceptable to the public sector when it meant big pay increases?

jimmmy

Mjth2004: well done on your own career path. Not everyone can work in the public service though, even if it does pay better than most if not all other public services in the world. Thats the reality. Also most private sector workers did not earn 60k in 2008, and according to the c.s.o. your wage is less than the avg public sector wage of 966 pw.

dogbert27

Mjth2004: Agree with Jimmy plus what would you be earning in 2009 in the private sector construction industry?

mjth2004

that's an easy one dogbert27 - I can tell you exactly what i would be earning now if i had remained in the private sector - 204 per week plus whatever other benefits i would of been entitled too!