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    #32
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users Posts: 17,797 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    PopeBuckfastXVI wrote: »
    We were discussing the possible consequences of a yes vote, when hatrickpatrick launched into histrionics at this attack on his right to vote no, and remain within the Union.

    The implication I always read from this type of argument is "If you want to vote no, why don't you just vote yes and propose we leave the EU? It's easier to leave if we vote yes". It's no strawman. Take a quick look around on boards and in this thread and you will see this being implied. Now I am indeed sorry if I interpreted it wrong, but I really am sick of seeing this (a different kind of strawman) being posted "No voters = people who want to leave the EU and should therefore vote yes so we can". I am utterly opposed to this political treaty and utterly in favour of the EU as an economic union and common market. So are most undecided or no voters I know of. So next time you see someone advocating a no vote, don't automatically think "someone who wants Ireland to leave the EU?". It's a massive, massive insult.


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    #33
    PopeBuckfastXVI
    Registered Users Posts: 5,155 ✭✭✭PopeBuckfastXVI


    hatrickpatrick wrote: »
    The implication I always read from this type of argument is "If you want to vote no, why don't you just vote yes and propose we leave the EU? It's easier to leave if we vote yes". It's no strawman. Take a quick look around on boards and in this thread and you will see this being implied. Now I am indeed sorry if I interpreted it wrong, but I really am sick of seeing this (a different kind of strawman) being posted "No voters = people who want to leave the EU and should therefore vote yes so we can". I am utterly opposed to this political treaty and utterly in favour of the EU as an economic union and common market. So are most undecided or no voters I know of. So next time you see someone advocating a no vote, don't automatically think "someone who wants Ireland to leave the EU?". It's a massive, massive insult.

    Well, once again, that wasn't what we were talking about.

    However.

    Lie down with dogs...


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    #34
    marco_polo
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 10,079 Mod ✭✭✭✭marco_polo


    hatrickpatrick wrote: »
    The implication I always read from this type of argument is "If you want to vote no, why don't you just vote yes and propose we leave the EU? It's easier to leave if we vote yes". It's no strawman. Take a quick look around on boards and in this thread and you will see this being implied. Now I am indeed sorry if I interpreted it wrong, but I really am sick of seeing this (a different kind of strawman) being posted "No voters = people who want to leave the EU and should therefore vote yes so we can". I am utterly opposed to this political treaty and utterly in favour of the EU as an economic union and common market. So are most undecided or no voters I know of. So next time you see someone advocating a no vote, don't automatically think "someone who wants Ireland to leave the EU?". It's a massive, massive insult.

    I have seen that said a couple of times at the most in this forum, always clearly aimied at posters who without any doubt anti-EU. But that is not what we are talking about here.

    Incidendly the organisation you want us to be a part of (the EC) of hasn't existed since about 1993.


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    #35
    Ronin247
    Registered Users Posts: 1,256 ✭✭✭Ronin247


    Well I am glad that has been cleared up for me...............:confused:

    I am very pro European but anti Lisbon,I suspect the larger nations will use it to push themselves on at our expense such as Poland poaching Dell from us with multimillion bribes of our own money(thats my opinion anyway).

    I think that access to our fishing rights has more than paid for any money we got for our roads or farming, its just that our own inept politicians,of all ilks, didnt get to squander it all before it did some good.


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    #36
    oscarBravo
    Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,804 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    Ronin247 wrote: »
    I am very pro European but anti Lisbon...
    Why?
    I think that access to our fishing rights has more than paid for any money we got for our roads or farming...
    Not by a country mile.


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    #37
    meglome
    Registered Users Posts: 7,980 ✭✭✭meglome


    Really-Stressed wrote: »
    Im not anti EU.

    I lived all over it.

    Being against one of their proposals does not make you anti eu.

    Thats like saying being anti NAMA is being anti Ireland.

    Schoolyard logic.

    And yet I can't figure out why you're voting No.


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