Unemployment down

Gurgle

Unemployment down for the first time in 2 years
So, are we over the worst of it?

Auvers

thats probably the amount of people who have left the sinking ship

gurramok

Tens of thousands were thrown onto Fas courses http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2009/0518/1224246811366.html which just so happens to begin in Sept as well as other eductaional activities.

Euroland

Gurgle wrote: »

Unemployment down for the first time in 2 years
So, are we over the worst of it?

It was already forecasted some time ago

Flamed Diving

gurramok wrote: »

Tens of thousands were thrown onto Fas courses http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2009/0518/1224246811366.html which just so happens to begin in Sept as well as other eductaional activities.

...taking that seasonal factor into account the Central Statistics Office said only 600 more people signed on in the last month...

It's at least an ~0 tangent.

Euroland

Irish Live Register September 2009: Monthly rise plunges to 600 with help of emigration; In 12-month period total increased by 183,422

http://www.finfacts.ie/irishfinancenews/article_1018015.shtml

gurramok

Flamed Diving wrote: »

It's at least an ~0 tangent.

Were there 50,000+ thrown from the dole queues onto the Fas courses this time last year?

Flamed Diving

gurramok wrote: »

Were there 50,000+ thrown from the dole queues onto the Fas courses this time last year?

Nice choice of language.

gurramok

Well, it is a numbers game and it is a factor.

Count the emigration of immigrants as reported in the link above. We'll know soon the breakdown of nationality when the CSO release the numbers as to whether the trend of immigrants leaving the register keeps going down and whether the Irish contingent is growing or not with FAS course factor thrown in of course!

Overall, if we had employment numbers per quarter or even better for per month, it would give a much clearer picture of whats really going on.

Économiste Monétaire

gurramok wrote: »

Overall, if we had employment numbers per quarter or even better for per month, it would give a much clearer picture of whats really going on.

The number of persons in employment? That's in the QNHS.

gurramok

Yeh, its up to June '09. Note from link the deterioration in full time employment.

Unemployment rate among males is 15.1% while its 8.1% among females.

Guess we'll have to wait until 3rd quarter figures to come out to see if the employment levels are really stabilising for Sept(doubt it) or continuing on the downward track.
In Employment Unemployed Labour Force
Apr-Jun 2008 2,112.8 126.7 2,239.6
Jul-Sep 2008 2,107.1 159.4 2,266.6
Oct-Dec 2008 2,054.6 169.7 2,224.3
Jan-Mar 2009 1,965.6 222.8 2,188.4
Apr-Jun 2009 1,938.5 264.6 2,203.1

Flamed Diving

gurramok wrote: »

Yeh, its up to June '09. Note from link the deterioration in full time employment.

Unemployment rate among males is 15.1% while its 8.1% among females.

Guess we'll have to wait until 3rd quarter figures to come out to see if the employment levels are really stabilising for Sept(doubt it) or continuing on the downward track.
In Employment Unemployed Labour Force
Apr-Jun 2008 2,112.8 126.7 2,239.6
Jul-Sep 2008 2,107.1 159.4 2,266.6
Oct-Dec 2008 2,054.6 169.7 2,224.3
Jan-Mar 2009 1,965.6 222.8 2,188.4
Apr-Jun 2009 1,938.5 264.6 2,203.1

http://www.cso.ie/px/pxeirestat/database/eirestat/Live%20Register/Live%20Register.asp

gurramok

Flamed Diving wrote: »

http://www.cso.ie/px/pxeirestat/database/eirestat/Live%20Register/Live%20Register.asp

What does that say we do not know already FD?

Flamed Diving

gurramok wrote: »

Overall, if we had employment numbers per quarter or even better for per month, it would give a much clearer picture of whats really going on.

Flamed Diving wrote: »

http://www.cso.ie/px/pxeirestat/database/eirestat/Live%20Register/Live%20Register.asp

gurramok wrote: »

What does that say we do not know already FD?

I provides month by month stats for unemployment, updated to Sept 2009.

gurramok

Flamed Diving wrote: »

I provides month by month stats for unemployment, updated to Sept 2009.

But it does not provide stats for employment which is where you quoted my question hence it does not answer it!

Économiste Monétaire

You won't find monthly employment numbers, you need to guesstimate the number from the last available labour force figure and the SUR % that's given in the Live Register monthly release.

dresden8

Delete. Didn't see previous links.

heyjude

Gurgle wrote: »

Unemployment down for the first time in 2 years
So, are we over the worst of it?

Unemployment DOWN , Emigration UP

We really need stats for the number of people in work, rather than the number of people claiming unemployment benefits. If 50,000 emigrate rather than claim benefit, then in the short term that might be good news, but if the people who leave are young, highly educated and skilled, then long term its bad news rather than good.

Euroland

gurramok wrote: »

But it does not provide stats for employment which is where you quoted my question hence it does not answer it!

It all depends on whether you are looking for unemployment figures or for the figures on people in employment, but this is not the same thing.