The Lisbon Treaty, Last Minute Poll!

Max Power1

namloc1980 wrote: »

More deception and mis-information :rolleyes:

and "yes to lisbon, yes to jobs and recovery" isnt mis-information?

namloc1980

Max Power1 wrote: »

and "yes to lisbon, yes to jobs and recovery" isnt mis-information?

That is just BS......saying we will have an EU President is just bare-faced lies. BTW I never said I agreed that the Yes to Jobs etc is correct or factual. It is opinion. It might happen.

EU President is nowhere mentioned in the Treaty....it is a lie to say otherwise

PomBear

namloc1980 wrote: »

More deception and mis-information :rolleyes:

ahem......
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2663036/Tony-Blair-to-head-the-EU-within-weeks.html

I'm registered and will be voting no

and have €20 on a no vote in Paddy Power:cool:

PomBear

namloc1980 wrote: »

That is just BS......saying we will have an EU President is just bare-faced lies.

There will be a President of the EU council and the frontrunner is Tony Blair. Facts.

Job creation and Economic Recovery is bare faced lies, it is mentioned in the Treaty. Facts.

nullzero

1. I am registered to vote tomorrow and i am going to vote NO.

No big shock there then:rolleyes:

worldclass

2. I am registered to vote tomorrow and i am going to vote YES.:D

namloc1980

PomBear wrote: »

ahem......
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2663036/Tony-Blair-to-head-the-EU-within-weeks.html

I'm registered and will be voting no

and have €20 on a no vote in Paddy Power:cool:

as revealed by the Sun

The role is actually President of the European Council. Tony Blair has twice been the President of the European Council in the past. So if he does get it (by no means a certainty) it would be his THIRD time in the role. The role has no voting rights or legislative or executive power whatsoever. Get your FACTS straight lads.

Ciaran500

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

+1

WTF are "+1" that for, you never intended to vote yes and the reasons you keep going on about are not cocky politicians.

namloc1980

PomBear wrote: »

There will be a President of the EU council and the frontrunner is Tony Blair. Facts.

Job creation and Economic Recovery is bare faced lies, it is mentioned in the Treaty. Facts.

It is President of the European Council and Blair has already been in that role twice in the past. Get your facts straight .

Where is it mentioned in the treaty that economic recovery is bare faced lies???

PomBear

namloc1980 wrote: »

It is President of the European Council and Blair has already been in that role twice in the past. Get your facts straight .

Where is it mentioned in the treaty that economic recovery is bare faced lies???

The president of the EU council under the Lisbon Treaty will give a term of 2 and a half years to whoever it elects not the 6 month revolving honorary position of before

well since Yes voters seem to be spouting this economic recovery crap, why don't you explain why it will? Since its hard for me to prove its not mentioned in 450 page treaty

staker

No "I've got a vote, but am not going to vote tomorrow cos this is the second time my vote has been disrespected" option.

Max Power1

staker wrote: »

No "I've got a vote, but am not going to vote tomorrow cos this is the second time my vote has been disrespected" option.

what a waste! Get out and vote! (im presumin by the tone of your post that you would be voting no, hence my encouragement )

PomBear

namloc1980 wrote: »

as revealed by the Sun

The role is actually President of the European Council. Tony Blair has twice been the President of the European Council in the past. So if he does get it (by no means a certainty) it would be his THIRD time in the role. The role has no voting rights or legislative or executive power whatsoever. Get your FACTS straight lads.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/4b7e16a2-f9a6-11db-9b6b-000b5df10621.html?nclick_check=1
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/5fe52a74-1b6e-11dc-bc55-000b5df10621.html
http://openeuropeblog.blogspot.com/2007/06/blair-for-president-of-europe.html

PomBear

staker wrote: »

No "I've got a vote, but am not going to vote tomorrow cos this is the second time my vote has been disrespected" option.

So why let the government make your vote useless from last time? tell them where they can shove it

staker

Max Power1 wrote: »

what a waste! Get out and vote! (im presumin by the tone of your post that you would be voting no, hence my encouragement )

i already did, that's my point:mad:

namloc1980

PomBear wrote: »

The president of the EU council under the Lisbon Treaty will give a term of 2 and a half years to whoever it elects not the 6 month revolving honorary position of before

well since Yes voters seem to be spouting this economic recovery crap, why don't you explain why it will? Since its hard for me to prove its not mentioned in 450 page treaty

We all know this about the term increasing. Whats your point?

I don't spout this 'crap' and personally don't like the way the yes side says it will help recovery.

moondogspot

staker wrote: »

No "I've got a vote, but am not going to vote tomorrow cos this is the second time my vote has been disrespected" option.

What will not voting achieve Get out and vote like a good man.

namloc1980

PomBear wrote: »

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/4b7e16a2-f9a6-11db-9b6b-000b5df10621.html?nclick_check=1
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/5fe52a74-1b6e-11dc-bc55-000b5df10621.html
http://openeuropeblog.blogspot.com/2007/06/blair-for-president-of-europe.html

We all know Blair is a possible candidate for this role, what are you trying to prove??

Stark

Max Power1 wrote: »

and "yes to lisbon, yes to jobs and recovery" isnt mis-information?

It's an opinion. One you're free to disagree with, but is shared by 91% of economists (not to mention a few hedge fund managers hoping for a No vote so their short selling tactics will pay off http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/politics/ganley-confirms-libertas-got-cash-from-hedge-fund-group-102147.html) so it's not totally baseless. Making up fictitious treaty articles and using them as part of your arguments is simply lying.

PomBear

namloc1980 wrote: »

We all know Blair is a possible candidate for this role, what are you trying to prove??

Any political analyst will tell you he's frontrunner by far. You slammed this as misinformation in an earlier post

PomBear

namloc1980 wrote: »

We all know this about the term increasing. Whats your point?

I don't spout this 'crap' and personally don't like the way the yes side says it will help recovery.

So why did you question me deannouncing it as lies?

vanla sighs

I'm voting NO tomorrow.......we already voted No, respect our vote!

staker

moondogspot wrote: »

What will not voting achieve Get out and vote like a good man.

nothing like a good condescending approach.
thanks for making my mind up

namloc1980

PomBear wrote: »

Any political analyst will tell you he's frontrunner by far. You slammed this as misinformation in an earlier post

:rolleyes: I slammed this quote

Perestroika wrote:

If the Yes side get their way tomorrow we will have an English president (a warmonger at that) Just another one, of thousands, reason to vote No To Lisbon.

it is misinformation to say we WILL have blair as President of the European Council because unless you can prove otherwise, he has NOT been appointed to that role!!!

namloc1980

PomBear wrote: »

So why did you question me deannouncing it as lies?

Stark wrote:

It's an opinion. One you're free to disagree with, but is shared by 91% of economists (not to mention a few hedge fund managers hoping for a No vote so their short selling tactics will pay off http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland...up-102147.html) so it's not totally baseless.

Yes to Jobs etc is an opinion, not one I agree with BTW. You can't denounce it as an outright lie.

Max Power1

Stark wrote: »

It's an opinion. One you're free to disagree with, but is shared by 91% of economists (not to mention a few hedge fund managers hoping for a No vote so their short selling tactics will pay off http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/politics/ganley-confirms-libertas-got-cash-from-hedge-fund-group-102147.html) so it's not totally baseless. Making up fictitious treaty articles and using them as part of your arguments is simply lying.

But it has nothing to do with the treaty, and its also not FACT! Its opinion! Opinions of those in the economic industry helped contribute to the mess the country is in, so forgive me if I decide to ignore their viewpoint

staker wrote: »

i already did, that's my point:mad:

So if you speak, but the person to whom you are speaking doesnt quite hear and asks you to speak up, you dont repeat what you said?

PomBear

namloc1980 wrote: »

:rolleyes: I slammed this quote

it is misinformation to say we WILL have blair as President of the European Council because unless you can prove otherwise, he has NOT been appointed to that role!!!

Any who follows European politics can tell you of a 90% certainty of Blairs role

PomBear

namloc1980 wrote: »

Yes to Jobs etc is an opinion, not one I agree with BTW. You can't denounce it as an outright lie.

Where in the treaty does it mention economic recovery in a treaty first drafted in 2000/01

moondogspot

staker wrote: »

nothing like a good condescending approach.
thanks for making my mind up

No problem at all.

Stark

It doesn't. "Yes to recovery" means that Fine Gael are of the opinion that the treaty will do more good than harm to Ireland's economic prospects.

Where in the treaty does it say that the minimum wage will be €1.84 per hour?