€20 million of your money to hold this Lisbon rerun

vanla sighs

The government are talking of cuts yet they spend €20 million in taxpayers money on this referendum rerun. How many hospital beds would that have provided? How many extra Gardai on the streets? How many extra nurses? How many extra teachers? This is our money they are abusing. Is that what part of the levy was for, Lisbon Part 2? They are incompetent, unfit to govern and laughing down their noises at the people. They don't deserve our support and Lisbon doesn't deserve our support.

The full story, see: http://www.independent.ie/national-news/lisbon-treaty/poll-rerun-will-leave-taxpayer-a-836420m-bill-1902411.html

worldclass

vanla sighs wrote: »

The government are talking of cuts yet they spend €20 million in taxpayers money on this referendum rerun. How many hospital beds would that have provided? How many extra Gardai on the streets? How many extra nurses? How many extra teachers? This is our money they are abusing. Is that what part of the levy was for, Lisbon Part 2? They are incompetent, unfit to govern and laughing down their noises at the people. They don't deserve our support and Lisbon doesn't deserve our support.

The full story, see: http://www.independent.ie/national-news/lisbon-treaty/poll-rerun-will-leave-taxpayer-a-836420m-bill-1902411.html

€20 million is little compared to the financial implications of a No vote...

A Yes Vote is nothing got to do with support for the government, it's very easy to separate the two.

humanji

So you're going to vote to spite the government? Didn't someone here have a quote about punching yourself in the face?

mcaul

vanla sighs wrote: »

The government are talking of cuts yet they spend €20 million in taxpayers money on this referendum rerun. How many hospital beds would that have provided? How many extra Gardai on the streets? How many extra nurses? How many extra teachers? This is our money they are abusing. Is that what part of the levy was for, Lisbon Part 2? They are incompetent, unfit to govern and laughing down their noises at the people. They don't deserve our support and Lisbon doesn't deserve our support.

The full story, see: http://www.independent.ie/national-news/lisbon-treaty/poll-rerun-will-leave-taxpayer-a-836420m-bill-1902411.html

I hope you aren't using this reason to vote no?

The same argument could be said for general elections - why do we need to hold them every 4 years - surely if we vote them in in 2007 they should stay until they retire? But no, because things cahnge, we cahneg our minds, what we voted for in 2007 is not what we feel is needed today / tomorrow.

The same for the lisbon treaty, there was a lack of information last year and people were fed an awful lot of lies about conscription, abortion & taxes none of which are affected in the least by Lisbon (I have read the shortened document in full).

Therefore the initial vote was based on false information, so it is correct to obtain the correct information, ensure that the points raised are copperfastened by extra guarantees (were not needed imo) and to provide a greater transperancy on the treaty.

This has been done properly this time and dispite more fasle information by the no side, and even some on the yes side, the document is now clearly explained and we can vote with better knowledge.

At the end of the day, what decided it for me this time & last time was that the EU has been the best thing that ever happened to Ireland, there has been virtually nothing negative emanating fro the eu since we joined in 1973 and since its inception Europe has been a very peaceful place (in the 50 years prior to the EU there were 2 world wars). So personally I saw that there was nothing whatsoever to fear from the treaty and plenty to gain and therefore I have been an advocate of the treaty and will be voting yes.

Run_to_da_hills

worldclass wrote: »

€20 million is little compared to the financial implications of a No vote...

A Yes Vote is nothing got to do with support for the government, it's very easy to separate the two.

€20 million wasted on biased propaganda and bunting trying to force something down the peoples throats that the majority of European citizens do not want and were never given the chance to vote on. Anyway most ordinary working people would not see the benefits of the financial implications of a Yes vote was passed. :rolleyes:

cornbb

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

€20 million wasted on biased propaganda and bunting trying to force something down the peoples throats that the majority of European citizens do not want and were never given the chance to vote on. Anyway most ordinary working people would not see the benefits of the financial implications of a Yes vote was passed. :rolleyes:

What public money was spent on "propaganda"? Shouldn't you be more concerned with where the funding for the likes of Declan Ganley is coming from? His financiers) clearly have a vested interest in seeing the treaty fail, I would certainly like to know who they are.

Assuming that the vast majority of EU citizens don't want the treaty is highly presumptuous. They elected the governments that ratified it (in most cases) after all.

Run_to_da_hills

cornbb wrote: »

What public money was spent on "propaganda"? Shouldn't you be more concerned with where the funding for the likes of Declan Ganley is coming from? His financiers) clearly have a vested interest in seeing the treaty fail, I would certainly like to know who they are.

Assuming that the vast majority of EU citizens don't want the treaty is highly presumptuous. They elected the governments that ratified it (in most cases) after all.

Plenty of questions fired at Declan Ganley but nothing at where the YES camp gets their funding. :rolleyes:

I was passing a social welfare office in South Dublin and came across a defaced Fina Gael poster. "YES FOR JOBS",...For the boys.

cornbb

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Plenty of questions fired at Declan Ganley but nothing at where the YES camp gets their funding. :rolleyes:

Its pretty clear where Michael O'Leary, Intel, the Unions etc get their money. As for the likes of Fianna Fail, FG etc, point taken, they are not the most transparent crowd on the planet, but at least their money is coming from within the country.

I was passing a social welfare office in South Dublin and came across a defaced Fina Gael poster. "YES FOR JOBS",...For the boys.

A hollow slogan. How will the Lisbon treaty lead to more job "for the boys"?

You haven't answered my points about public money or about your presumption to speak on behalf of the citizens of the rest of the EU. Just throwing paranoid hollow rhetoric around, as usual.

kippy

cornbb wrote: »

What public money was spent on "propaganda"? Shouldn't you be more concerned with where the funding for the likes of Declan Ganley is coming from? His financiers) clearly have a vested interest in seeing the treaty fail, I would certainly like to know who they are.

Assuming that the vast majority of EU citizens don't want the treaty is highly presumptuous. They elected the governments that ratified it (in most cases) after all.

And most recently re elected them again after ratification - see Germany.

Run_to_da_hills

cornbb wrote: »

Its pretty clear where Michael O'Leary, Intel, the Unions etc get their money. As for the likes of Fianna Fail, FG etc, point taken, they are not the most transparent crowd on the planet, but at least their money is coming from within the country.

This is exactly that is fueling fire for the NO side, the likes of O Leary who has only one ajenda on his mind, Not the Lisbon result but the take over of Aer Lingus. Thankfully O Leary has been an own goal to the Yes camp.

MarkK

The answer to this issue is to give the Dail the ability to change the constitution.

If the Dail could change the constitution (with say, a 65% majority required), it would save the cost of most of these referenda.

If you don't want to do that, don't whinge about the cost.

cornbb

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

This is exactly that is fueling fire for the NO side, the likes of O Leary who has only one ajenda on his mind, Not the Lisbon result but the take over of Aer Lingus. Thankfully O Leary has been an own goal to the Yes camp.

Again with the hollow slogans and Indymedia crap. You're voting no because you don't like who is calling for a yes? In that case, logically is it safe to assume you're also voting no because you agree with the No proponents. Whose view, out of Declan Ganley, Sinn Fein or Coir do you agree with?

Youe failure to answer any of my questions about the actual treaty is notable. How will the Lisbon treaty lead to more job "for the boys"?

€20mil? money well spent