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October 2nd 2009 - Demoracy in Ireland R.I.P.

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    #242
    prinz
    Registered Users Posts: 14,598 ✭✭✭✭prinz


    orourkeda wrote: »
    No. Is that necessary?

    Well it goes to show that you have no idea whether the majority of people were better informed or not.


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    #243
    Turtwig
    Registered Users Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    orourkeda wrote: »
    All this talk of democracy? Where is it? The hypocrisy of it all angers me

    Well now if you can get a million petition signatures when Lisbon is passed the EU Commission will now listen to you:p


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    #244
    eamo127
    Closed Accounts Posts: 70 ✭✭eamo127


    Can't stand the shinners, or that Higgins kook or the communist party of Ireland for chrissake! The pro-yes media sure did a good job of painting Joe as the face of the NO side. But I voted no with a solid conviction that this is the superstate federal eu browbeating us into submission. This vote was not a victory for the yes side - it represented the humiliation of Ireland by a euro elite who would not take a democratic no for an answer.

    All the yes people out there - enjoy whatever it is you voted for. But remember, when democracy is subverted even in your favour, then don't dare complain next time when it is your decision that is overturned, browbeaten then silenced.

    One last thing, did any of you yes voters read the charter for fundamental rights? The Lisbon treaty makes our sovereignty irreverent - the charter for fundamental rights makes our identity irreverent. Is that a convoy of Romany gipsies I see on the horizon?


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    #245
    prinz
    Registered Users Posts: 14,598 ✭✭✭✭prinz


    eamo127 wrote: »
    Is that a convoy of Romany gipsies I see on the horizon?

    :confused: Seriously what? First it was the Turkish falshmobbing the airports to fly here, then it was all the people of the Balkans just itching to up sticks and move here, then we had millions of aforementioned Turkish, who obviously missed the last flight floating here on tires... and now we're on to Romany gypsies? :confused:


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    #246
    eamo127
    Closed Accounts Posts: 70 ✭✭eamo127


    prinz wrote: »
    :confused: Seriously what? First it was the Turkish falshmobbing the airports to fly here, then it was all the people of the Balkans just itching to up sticks and move here, then we had millions of aforementioned Turkish, who obviously missed the last flight floating here on tires... and now we're on to Romany gypsies? :confused:
    Read the charter - if they decide to come, then we have to oblige. There's not a court in europe (our new masters) that would deny them. That's what you voted for.


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    #247
    passive
    Registered Users Posts: 2,403 ✭✭✭passive


    eamo127 wrote: »

    One last thing, did any of you yes voters read the charter for fundamental rights? The Lisbon treaty makes our sovereignty irreverent - the charter for fundamental rights makes our identity irreverent. Is that a convoy of Romany gipsies I see on the horizon?

    You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.


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    #248
    Steviemak
    Closed Accounts Posts: 430 ✭✭Steviemak


    eamo127 wrote: »
    Read the charter - if they decide to come, then we have to oblige

    What are you talking about? Are you referring to EU citizens or non EU citizens??


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    #249
    Fuhrer
    Registered Users Posts: 4,661 ✭✭✭Fuhrer


    passive wrote: »
    You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.


    I like the idea of human rights being irreverent.


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    #250
    eamo127
    Closed Accounts Posts: 70 ✭✭eamo127


    passive wrote: »
    You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.


    1. not relevant; not applicable or pertinent: His lectures often stray to interesting but irrelevant subjects. 2. Law. (of evidence) having no probative value upon any issue in the case.
    Cowen says we might not vote again on a european issue for 10 YEARS.

    We live to learn the hard way


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    #251
    eamo127
    Closed Accounts Posts: 70 ✭✭eamo127


    Steviemak wrote: »
    What are you talking about? Are you referring to EU citizens or non EU citizens??

    The charter of fundamental rights does not distinguish between eu and non-eu citizens. But I'm sure you know this as you voted YES :pac:


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    #252
    Fuhrer
    Registered Users Posts: 4,661 ✭✭✭Fuhrer


    eamo127 wrote: »
    1. not relevant; not applicable or pertinent: His lectures often stray to interesting but irrelevant subjects. 2. Law. (of evidence) having no probative value upon any issue in the case.
    Cowen says we might not vote again on a european issue for 10 YEARS.

    We live to learn the hard way


    ir·rev·er·ent (ibreve.gif-rebreve.gifvprime.gifschwa.gifr-schwa.gifnt)adj.1. Lacking or exhibiting a lack of reverence; disrespectful.
    2. Critical of what is generally accepted or respected; satirical: irreverent humor.


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    #253
    passive
    Registered Users Posts: 2,403 ✭✭✭passive


    eamo127 wrote: »
    1. not relevant; not applicable or pertinent: His lectures often stray to interesting but irrelevant subjects. 2. Law. (of evidence) having no probative value upon any issue in the case.
    Cowen says we might not vote again on a european issue for 10 YEARS.

    We live to learn the hard way

    No, that's the definition of irelevant...

    And oh noes! Cowen doesn't (God Forbid) mean we vote on EU Treaties, and the next one will probably be in about 10 years, rather than having a referendum on the colour of the wall in the parliament?

    ... That could be fun though. THE EU WANTS TO PAINT ALL OUR WALLS. VOTE NO TO STOP YOUR CHILDREN BEING FORCED TO PAINT WALLS. EU FASCIST PAINTMONGERS.


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    #254
    amacachi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,316 ✭✭✭✭amacachi


    Fuhrer wrote: »
    I like the idea of human rights being irreverent.

    Is that you Kim Jong Il? :pac:


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    #255
    eamo127
    Closed Accounts Posts: 70 ✭✭eamo127


    passive wrote: »
    No, that's the definition of irelevant...

    And oh noes! Cowen doesn't (God Forbid) mean we vote on EU Treaties, and the next one will probably be in about 10 years, rather than having a referendum on the colour of the wall in the parliament?

    ... That could be fun though. THE EU WANTS TO PAINT ALL OUR WALLS. VOTE NO TO STOP YOUR CHILDREN BEING FORCED TO PAINT WALLS. EU FASCIST PAINTMONGERS.


    Yes, of course. The lisbon treaty is all about what colour we paint the walls. Well done on clarifying this document for me. :P


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    #256
    Steviemak
    Closed Accounts Posts: 430 ✭✭Steviemak


    eamo127 wrote: »
    The charter of fundamental rights does not distinguish between eu and non-eu citizens. But I'm sure you know this as you voted YES :pac:

    I still don't get your point? Can you elaborate - so a convoy of non EU Romany gypsies arrive in ireland - what then?


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    #257
    Fuhrer
    Registered Users Posts: 4,661 ✭✭✭Fuhrer


    eamo127 wrote: »
    The charter of fundamental rights does not distinguish between eu and non-eu citizens. But I'm sure you know this as you voted YES :pac:


    Well yes, the idea of it being a fundemental human right means that it applies to everyone...



    Seriously? This a wind up?


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    #258
    eamo127
    Closed Accounts Posts: 70 ✭✭eamo127


    Steviemak wrote: »
    I still don't get your point? Can you elaborate - so a convoy of non EU Romany gypsies arrive in ireland - what then?
    We are obliged to provide food, medical, housing, schooling as well as a legal representative fluent in their language. They cannot be deported under any circumstances until the court of fundamental human rights decides their fate.

    Perhaps you would like to have them camp in your back yard?


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    #259
    prinz
    Registered Users Posts: 14,598 ✭✭✭✭prinz


    eamo127 wrote: »
    . They cannot be deported under any circumstances until the court of fundamental human rights decides their fate.

    The court of fundamental human rights... :pac: about as accurate as the rest of your post.


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    #260
    eamo127
    Closed Accounts Posts: 70 ✭✭eamo127


    Fuhrer wrote: »
    Well yes, the idea of it being a fundemental human right means that it applies to everyone...



    Seriously? This a wind up?


    I was responding to a question if the charter applies to eu or non eu citizens. No wind up - deadly serious.


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    #261
    eamo127
    Closed Accounts Posts: 70 ✭✭eamo127


    prinz wrote: »
    The court of fundamental human rights... :pac: about as accurate as the rest of your post.

    http://www.echr.coe.int/echr/

    Read up on it - you might learn something on what the yes vote means.


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    #262
    prinz
    Registered Users Posts: 14,598 ✭✭✭✭prinz


    eamo127 wrote: »
    http://www.echr.coe.int/echr/

    Read up on it - you might learn something on what the yes vote means.

    oh you mean the European Court of Human Rights?... hmmm. Why didn't you call it that?


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    #263
    namloc1980
    Registered Users Posts: 18,292 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    eamo127 wrote: »
    http://www.echr.coe.int/echr/

    Read up on it - you might learn something on what the yes vote means.

    Are you against Human Rights?


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    #264
    eamo127
    Closed Accounts Posts: 70 ✭✭eamo127


    prinz wrote: »
    oh you mean the European Court of Human Rights?... hmmm. Why didn't you call it that?

    Is it not plainly obvious? Anyway, these are our new overlords. Read up on them - educate yourself, you'll be amazed what you might learn. :D


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    #265
    Steviemak
    Closed Accounts Posts: 430 ✭✭Steviemak


    eamo127 wrote: »
    We are obliged to provide food, medical, housing, schooling as well as a legal representative fluent in their language. They cannot be deported under any circumstances until the court of fundamental human rights decides their fate.

    I'm shocked - how dare we treat people with respect:mad:

    VOTE NO!!

    Sh*t too late - what have we done??? I thought Lisbon would bring in concentration camps and forced exterminations.


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    #266
    Fuhrer
    Registered Users Posts: 4,661 ✭✭✭Fuhrer


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    Are you against Human Rights?

    He just against them applying to Humans.


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    #267
    eamo127
    Closed Accounts Posts: 70 ✭✭eamo127


    Steviemak wrote: »
    I'm shocked - how dare we treat people with respect:mad:

    VOTE NO!!

    Sh*t too late - what have we done??? I thought Lisbon would bring in concentration camps and forced exterminations.


    Your mixing them up with the last national socialist workers party experiment in europe - the NAZI party I think they were called. Concentration camp is such a harsh word - socialists in russia ans china prefer to call them "re-education camps" :D


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    #268
    prinz
    Registered Users Posts: 14,598 ✭✭✭✭prinz


    eamo127 wrote: »
    Is it not plainly obvious? Anyway, these are our new overlords. Read up on them - educate yourself, you'll be amazed what you might learn. :D

    I thought that job was going to Tony Blair :confused:


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    #269
    eamo127
    Closed Accounts Posts: 70 ✭✭eamo127


    prinz wrote: »
    I thought that job was going to Tony Blair :confused:

    It is no secret in the 'commission' that Blair is being vetted as a possible future president of europe, but you won't get to vote for him! No siree, Yes to lisbon put paid to that idea - forever.


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    #270
    namloc1980
    Registered Users Posts: 18,292 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    eamo127 wrote: »
    It is no secret in the 'commission' that Blair is being vetted as a possible future president of europe, but you won't get to vote for him! No siree, Yes to lisbon put paid to that idea - forever.

    We don't vote for the President of the European Council now either :confused:


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    #271
    cooperguy
    Registered Users Posts: 2,650 ✭✭✭cooperguy


    eamo127 wrote: »
    It is no secret in the 'commission' that Blair is being vetted as a possible future president of europe, but you won't get to vote for him! No siree, Yes to lisbon put paid to that idea - forever.
    Whats your point? We never voted for them.


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