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To Mr. Ganley

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    #62
    Skobe
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5 ✭Skobe


    Maybe he will take the other nick nacks with him when he leaves.


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    #63
    ei.sdraob
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,376 ✭✭✭ei.sdraob


    TheSpecialOne wrote: »
    Treaty hasn't been implemented yet...Let's respect whatever the Czechs and Polish do

    so no tanks until then?

    im sad now :D


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    #64
    djmarkus
    Registered Users Posts: 1,606 ✭✭✭djmarkus


    Now that its a Yes according to the posters i'll have to go get my ma put down.

    But seriously,

    Kindly never come into the public eye again, you annoying man.


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    #65
    ei.sdraob
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,376 ✭✭✭ei.sdraob


    Min wrote: »
    91% of economists probably never saw the recession coming.

    they did

    Bertie told them to go and commit suicide

    go lookit up

    :(


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    #66
    Euro_Kraut
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,957 ✭✭✭Euro_Kraut


    USE wrote: »
    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2009/1003/breaking34.htm

    Nigel Farage compares Ireland to Zimbabwe. To get defeated is one. But to get defeated and then to discredit yourself totally is another. Why not just to shut the duck up, Nigel.


    He also declared on RTE that our 'brief period of independence' was now over with smirk on his face.

    I thought we got his type out of Dublin Castle long ago.


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    #67
    ynotdu
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,817 ✭✭✭ynotdu


    ei.sdraob wrote: »
    they did

    Bertie told them to go and commit suicide

    go lookit up

    :(

    Sssshhhhh dont be bringing up 'inconveniant truths';)


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    #68
    Sparks
    Registered Users Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    Rb wrote: »
    Oh and Mr.Ganley, please take that miserable rag Patricia McKenna with you, she's just an embarrassment at this stage.
    Especially when she bests her running mates from the Green Party (even if neither wins)...

    Look, seriously, Ganley's at least dodgy.
    Thing is, the same is true of every politician in the Dail.

    They're all slimeballs, and I get the idea of getting rid of any one you can, but this really is going into very odd territory.


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    #69
    free-man
    Closed Accounts Posts: 350 ✭✭free-man


    meditraitor wrote: »
    The only way is up now boys, Lisbon is out of the way so lets get down to the real business at hand..

    Getting rid of FF and greens (yellow more like it) and getting this economy back on track....

    We have a great country with great people so it shouldnt be to hard :D

    The only way is down unfortunately.

    It's going to be near impossible to get rid of FF and the greens now as they will take all of the credit for the Lisbon win and spin the entire result to make out that they have a mandate to continue in government.

    We had a great country, no longer I'm afraid. I'm disappointed at many Irish people's decision and that they fell for the economic argument. Its worrying how easily people can be manipulated by fear.

    The great news is that the young people of Ireland will be emigrating in their droves next year and will not be here to support the people who voted Yes or pay for NAMA. I see this trend continue as the youth of Ireland become more disenfranchised with the government and the faux opposition.

    I am confident a large portion of the No voters will never place another vote for FF/FG or anyone else who lied about this treaty when they see that economic recovery 'aint coming.

    One positive is due to the rise of alternative media and the internet, people have been able to use this site and others as a resource for getting news minus political spin. RTE and the Irish Times have been exposed with their bias and I think a lot of people have wised up to this whereas they would have blindly trusted it before this debacle. The same of course could be said about Murdoch's press but anything that snaps people out of the mainstream media world view has got to be a good thing.

    I am wholly turned off by Europe now and I feel this re-run has increased anti Europe sentiment and the % of anti europe voters; time will tell whether we get to vote on another treaty again.

    For all those saying democracy is dead, this is of course a fallacy. General Elections will still take place, many will continue to vote as they are told by the establishment and media. That aside there will be no further re-run of the referendum when it is found that the electorate voted yes based on a lie of economic recovery and jobs.


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    #70
    ynotdu
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,817 ✭✭✭ynotdu


    They're all slimeballs, and I get the idea of getting rid of any one you can, but this really is going into very odd territory.[/quote]


    All slimeballs:confused: aw no! even though Michael D hugs trees i thought he at least was genuine:(


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    #71
    Daftendirekt
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,312 ✭✭✭Daftendirekt


    Sparks wrote: »
    Especially when she bests her running mates from the Green Party (even if neither wins)...

    Look, seriously, Ganley's at least dodgy.
    Thing is, the same is true of every politician in the Dail.

    They're all slimeballs, and I get the idea of getting rid of any one you can, but this really is going into very odd territory.

    The difference being that the slimeballs we have in power are at least elected by the public, and can be removed at the next GE.

    The same is not true of Ganley, who is far shadier than anyone in the Dáil, who sprung up out of nowhere with Libertas, and as we've seen, is quite adept at playing on the uncertainty of the electorate.


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    #72
    robindch
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,417 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    Sam Vimes wrote: »
    Could you kindly piss off now please?
    Don't know if anybody's seen Sky News, but that's me in the yellow jacket with the kid walking behind Ganley during his soundbite, fixing him with my legendary steely stare.

    At the time, several courses of action swung through my mind briefly, and I'm still not sure that walking on and ignoring him while he was live on international telly was best.


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    #73
    Sparks
    Registered Users Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    Daftendirekt wrote: »
    The difference being that the slimeballs we have in power are at least elected by the public
    And you think that in that instant of election, they immediately become slimeballs?
    It's a pre-existing condition.
    And saying Ganley is shadier than anyone else in the Dail is rather ignoring the past histories of many of those in Sinn Fein...


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    #74
    Daftendirekt
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,312 ✭✭✭Daftendirekt


    robindch wrote: »
    Don't know if anybody's seen Sky News, but that's me in the yellow jacket with the kid walking behind Ganley during his soundbite, fixing him with my legendary steely stare.

    At the time, several courses of action swung through my mind briefly, and I'm still not sure that walking on and ignoring him while he was live on international telly was best.

    You wanted to pat his head for good luck didn't you? :D


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    #75
    Sam Vimes
    Registered Users Posts: 21,611 ✭✭✭✭Sam Vimes


    rugbyman wrote: »
    Sam Vines, i admire virtually all that I have read of yours.
    Thank you :)
    rugbyman wrote: »
    The opening remark of this thread does not fit in with my opinion of you.

    I have not read every bit of this thread but i note you comment that he was lying about one or two points. he was indeed pushing it a bit on stuff that he thought the electorate might like to hear. he is a capable fellow with quite a bit to offer.

    Regards, Rugbyman

    regards

    Sorry Rugbyman but he was lying. I've never heard anything from that man that was true. It's not just that I don't believe him, I've looked up the things he was saying and they're not true.

    He was in this campaign for his own interests and does not give a crap about the Irish people. If he had an ounce of respect for us he wouldn't have told so many blatant lies

    He is a self interested, devious snake oil salesman and I never made any secret of my opinion of him. I called him "the guy with the US military contracts" on the radio the other day :D


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    #76
    daithimac
    Registered Users Posts: 515 ✭✭✭daithimac


    Just for future reference has he said that he will be leaving politics or that he will be leaving politics unless he is provoked as apparently he said the last time he retired from politics. Unfortunately I failled to hear him say that the last time he retired from politics. Did anyone hear him say that this time he retired from politics.


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    #77
    Daftendirekt
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,312 ✭✭✭Daftendirekt


    Sparks wrote: »
    And you think that in that instant of election, they immediately become slimeballs?
    It's a pre-existing condition.
    And saying Ganley is shadier than anyone else in the Dail is rather ignoring the past histories of many of those in Sinn Fein...

    No. Whether they're slimeballs before a GE or not, they're still elected. The electorate has to put them into power and the electorate can take them out of power.

    I agree with you about Sinn Féin though, I was referring more to the government itself.

    Although at least everyone knows that Sinn Féin are a socialist, nationalist party. Whereas Libertas have no clear policies or agenda, other than being anti-Lisbon for no clear reason.


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    #78
    Sparks
    Registered Users Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    Daftendirekt wrote: »
    No, whether they're slimeballs before a GE or not, they're still elected.
    You misread me.
    They're slimeballs before the GE. The status the GE affords those elected is irrelevant to their pre-existing slimeball status.

    And if election is such a major thing, why are we not clamouring with such vitriolic language for those leading the various quangos in Irish society?


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    #79
    daithimac
    Registered Users Posts: 515 ✭✭✭daithimac


    Sparks wrote: »
    You misread me.
    They're slimeballs before the GE. The status the GE affords those elected is irrelevant to their pre-existing slimeball status.

    And if election is such a major thing, why are we not clamouring with such vitriolic language for those leading the various quangos in Irish society?

    like the board at FÁS?


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    #80
    Sparks
    Registered Users Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    daithimac wrote: »
    like the board at FÁS?
    Whose resignations we'll accept if they choose to accept them...
    ...and that's one out of a large number of quangos...


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    #81
    Daftendirekt
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,312 ✭✭✭Daftendirekt


    Sparks wrote: »
    You misread me.
    They're slimeballs before the GE. The status the GE affords those elected is irrelevant to their pre-existing slimeball status.

    Yeah, I know what you mean, my point is these people have no power other than that which the Irish people give them. Ganley however, is an unelected politician/businessman who has proven himself to have significant power to influence the electorate just by pumping enough money into a referendum campaign.

    Which wouldn't be as bad, if people at least knew his real agenda for campaigning against Lisbon.

    This why I'll personally be glad to see the back of him, and I'd imagine it's the same for many others.


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    #82
    Sparks
    Registered Users Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    Daftendirekt wrote: »
    Yeah, I know what you mean, my point is these people have no power other than that which the Irish people give them. Ganley however, is an unelected politician/businessman who has proven himself to have significant power to influence the electorate just by pumping enough money into a referendum campaign.
    Which wouldn't be as bad, if people at least knew his real agenda for campaigning against Lisbon.
    This why I'll personally be glad to see the back of him, and I'd imagine it's the same for many others.
    Indeed - others like Ryanair and Intel too...


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    #83
    Stark
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    ynotdu wrote: »
    Actually Declan Ganly gave a very magnanimous message of congratulations to Taoiseach Brian Cowen.

    I think he did that to wind people up knowing many people voted Yes despite knowing that they were going to be putting a smirk in Cowen's face.


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    #84
    cornbb
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    Stark wrote: »
    I think he did that to wind people up knowing many people voted Yes despite knowing that they were going to be putting a smirk in Cowen's face.

    Yes. He also said that the result was a vindication of Cowen's position as taoiseach. I feel that this was a covert but very deliberate insult aimed at Yes voters, the majority of whom do NOT approve of the government, as Ganley well knows.


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    #85
    K-9
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    Once he spouted the "Abortion is a possibility" line on Questions and Answers last year he lost any credibility amongst most people. Even SF didn't go that low.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



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    #86
    K-9
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    cornbb wrote: »
    Yes. He also said that the result was a vindication of Cowen's position as taoiseach. I feel that this was a covert but very deliberate insult aimed at Yes voters, the majority of whom do NOT approve of the government, as Ganley well knows.

    He really has no respect for voters, of either side.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



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    #87
    P. Breathnach
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    ynotdu wrote: »
    Actually Declan Ganly gave a very magnanimous message of congratulations to Taoiseach Brian Cowen...

    No, he didn't. It was sarcastic and quite ungracious.


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    #88
    Daftendirekt
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,312 ✭✭✭Daftendirekt


    Sparks wrote: »
    Indeed - others like Ryanair and Intel too...

    Everyone knows Ryanair and Intel's agenda is to make a profit.

    What's Libertas's agenda?

    And I don't think anyone could say with a straight face that Michael O' Leary ran a convincing campaign (as far as I could see, it consisted solely of photographs of him with Ryanair staff pointing at the EU flag). The fact that Ryanair and Intel were supporting a Yes may have swayed some people, but they clearly had none of the campaigning power enjoyed by Ganley.


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    #89
    Sparks
    Registered Users Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    cornbb wrote: »
    Yes. He also said that the result was a vindication of Cowen's position as taoiseach. I feel that this was a covert but very deliberate insult aimed at Yes voters, the majority of whom do NOT approve of the government, as Ganley well knows.
    It might be an accurate prediction of what we're about to see from Cowen though...


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    #90
    prinz
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    Sparks wrote: »
    It might be an accurate prediction of what we're about to see from Cowen though...

    Doubtful since he has already publicly stated that he didn't see it as such.


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    #91
    Sparks
    Registered Users Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    Daftendirekt wrote: »
    Everyone knows Ryanair and Intel's agenda is to make a profit.
    What's Libertas's agenda?
    Beyond the most simplistic of statements like "they want to be in power", I don't know. Or care.
    However, beyond the simplistic statement of "to make a profit", you don't know Intel or Ryanair's agenda either...

    As to campaigning power, I don't believe the final results will support your argument.


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