What won it for the Yes side?

K-9 · 03-10-2009 6:25pm #1

So it was the economy, stupid.

What else won it for the Yes side?

I think O'Leary played a part as he could call Ganley, SF, McKenna et all failures and rejects and remind the electorate that the vast majority wouldn't vote for them.

The mainstream parties couldn't be as direct.

tommyboy2222 · 03-10-2009 6:26pm

Coir

asdasd · 03-10-2009 6:27pm

Fear.

marco_polo · 03-10-2009 6:28pm

K-9 wrote: »

So it was the economy, stupid.

What else won it for the Yes side?

I think O'Leary played a part as he could call Ganley, SF, McKenna et all failures and rejects and remind the electorate that the vast majority wouldn't vote for them.

The mainstream parties couldn't be as direct.

More informed Electorate.

The Guarantees.

Recession.

Coir Posters.

UKIP intervention.

Union support this time around.

cooperguy · 03-10-2009 6:28pm

Less over the top lying compared to the 'No' side. Biggest own goal of the whole campaign was the 1.84 Coir thing

Cosmo Kramer · 03-10-2009 6:32pm

asdasd wrote: »

Fear.

Yup. Simple as that.

When we were flying high we were confident (or arrogant) enough to tell Europe where to go. Now we're screwed we need their help and we want to get back in.

Similar to Iceland really. Ignored the EU for 50 years and now they're so far up the creek they want and need to get involved.

caseyann · 03-10-2009 6:34pm

Fear manipulation and people thinking Ireland would lose out if they didn't. Doesnt matter anyway we will be stuffed either way.

meditraitor · 03-10-2009 6:35pm

I voted yes because I like the fact we are part of Europe and I like what being part of Europe has done for our LITTLE country..... and as the previous poster pointed out look at Iceland for an example of what a small nation can end up like without a little help from friends

Slash/ED · 03-10-2009 6:38pm

The no campaign had a huge influence, from talking to people it got alot of people annoyed and motivated them to at least become more informed and pretty much all of them voted yes, and pretty much none of them voted last time. So good job no campaign and your 1.84 minimum wage!

ztoical · 03-10-2009 6:38pm

tommyboy2222 wrote: »

Coir

The minute they rolled out that abortion poster they lost a massive chunk of people for the no side.

free-man · 03-10-2009 6:40pm

The association of the No side with radical religious groups such as Coir where in reality most No voters wanted no association with them.

The misleading poster & media campaign that a Yes to Lisbon was going to improve the economy and lead to job creation, which has been backtracked on by Brian Lenihan this morning.

The guarantees, regardless of your viewpoint on them.

Funglegunk · 03-10-2009 6:40pm

marco_polo wrote: »

More informed Electorate.

The Guarantees.

Recession.

Coir Posters.

UKIP intervention.

Union support this time around.

Exactly.

Jip · 03-10-2009 6:44pm

Cosmo Kramer wrote: »

Yup. Simple as that.

Completely disagree, those who claim that are giving the electorate very little credit. IMO it was more due to the guarantees about the commissioner and the amount of nutters on the No side.

Bandit12 · 03-10-2009 6:45pm

Fear. Plain and simple fear.

jacool · 03-10-2009 6:45pm

IMPACT OF 'NO' VOTE ON IRELAND
A 'No' vote could damage Ireland's international image and create a false perception in financial markets that it is hostile to Europe and even the euro.
Some multinationals might even put off investing in Ireland -- and Mr Cowen could even be forced to resign. More likely, however, is that the Coalition would be badly shaken and members of the Greens could oppose the Government in the October 10 vote. This could lead to an early election, in which Fine Gael would hope to take power, probably in a coalition government with Labour. The "bad bank" plan would then be jettisoned, hitting bank shares. Efforts to squeeze €4bn from next year's deficit could also be complicated by the Labour Party's opposition to public sector pay cuts.

This is why people voted YES, Labour might get into power, and the banks might suffer !!

dan719 · 03-10-2009 6:46pm

Cosmo Kramer wrote: »

Similar to Iceland really. Ignored the EU for 50 years and now they're so far up the creek they want and need to get involved.

More lies. The government have passed a resolution to put the issue to a vote. Currently the opinion polls are a resounding no. This is an issue that sectors of the business and finance community in Iceland have pushed for a long time. Iceland will not vote to join the EU in the near future.

free-man · 03-10-2009 6:48pm

dan719 wrote: »

More lies. The government have passed a resolution to put the issue to a vote. Currently the opinion polls are a resounding no. This is an issue that sectors of the business and finance community in Iceland have pushed for a long time. Iceland will not vote to join the EU in the near future.

I imagine they won't after seeing the ordeal we had to go through in the last year to get the 'right' answer.

Bob_Harris · 03-10-2009 6:52pm

Jip wrote: »

Completely disagree, those who claim that are giving the electorate very little credit.

Did you see the interviews with people as they walked out of polling stations aired over the course of today on RTE?

Whether it was a Yes voter or a No voter the reasons they gave for making the choice they did had absolutely nothing to do with Lisbon, it's contents or its effect.

So no, the electorate don't deserve any credit. In most referendums, or even general elections, the vast majority of people haven't a clue what they are voting for.

caseyann · 03-10-2009 6:53pm

Jip wrote: »

Completely disagree, those who claim that are giving the electorate very little credit. IMO it was more due to the guarantees about the commissioner and the amount of nutters on the No side.

Totally disagree with you,It was definitely pure scaremongering going on.If we don't vote yes we are sending a bad message to Europe and the sudden fall in our economy after the last vote.How very bizarre:eek:

LoanShark · 03-10-2009 6:54pm

Well, it wasn't Donegal that won it for them!!

marco_polo · 03-10-2009 6:57pm

caseyann wrote: »

the sudden fall in our economy after the last vote.How very bizarre:eek:

[citation needed]

CCCP^ · 03-10-2009 6:58pm

tommyboy2222 wrote: »

Coir

So you voted Yes because of a group that was supporting No which you didn't like? I hope you actually came to your own conclusions about the treaty.

caseyann · 03-10-2009 6:58pm

LoanShark wrote: »

Well, it wasn't Donegal that won it for them!!

And his very own constituency

:D

caseyann · 03-10-2009 6:59pm

marco_polo wrote: »

[citation needed]

For what the obvious :rolleyes:

marco_polo · 03-10-2009 7:10pm

caseyann wrote: »

For what the obvious :rolleyes:

I am sorry but rolleyes just don't cut it.

Any source that shows any Yes campaign group that attributed the recession to a no vote last time out.

I know a few who attributes a Yes vote on the EU constitution with a 18% unemployment in spain but that is all.

Antrim_Man · 03-10-2009 7:11pm

Fear after threats from our politicians and from Euro bullies.

Rb · 03-10-2009 7:12pm

I like how the No voters who themselves couldn't find a legitimate reason to vote against the treaty just have to believe that those who voted Yes couldn't have had legitimate reasons also. Petty, pathetic, desperate nonsense.

It's clear why we voted Yes and fear has little to do with it, an immense amount less than those who were terrified of abortion, conscription, control of our taxation etc and voted against the treaty as a consequence last time.

Time to face facts guys, sense prevailed and Ireland and Europe have benefitted from it.

Maybe if you finally manage to find a flaw in the treaty, though you've failed so far, you could all get together and rally your local TD"s about it. Until then, stop being such sore losers.

K-9 · 03-10-2009 7:14pm

caseyann wrote: »

And his very own constituency :D

Surprised it was so close, a 500 vote swing and it would have been a Yes.

PaulieD · 03-10-2009 7:16pm

Cosmo Kramer wrote: »

Similar to Iceland really. Ignored the EU for 50 years and now they're so far up the creek they want and need to get involved.

We are polar opposites in fact. Iceland realised that they did not want to throw their national sovereignty away just for an EU bailout. They will get out of their current predicament quicker than we will get out of ours, and still be a sovereign independent nation.

Antrim_Man · 03-10-2009 7:16pm

Rb wrote: »

I like how the No voters who themselves couldn't find a legitimate reason to vote against the treaty just have to believe that those who voted Yes couldn't have had legitimate reasons also. Petty, pathetic, desperate nonsense.

It's clear why we voted Yes and fear has little to do with it, an immense amount less than those who were terrified of abortion, conscription, control of our taxation etc and voted against the treaty as a consequence last time.

Time to face facts guys, sense prevailed and Ireland and Europe have benefitted from it.

Maybe if you finally manage to find a flaw in the treaty, though you've failed so far, you could all get together and rally your local TD"s about it. Until then, stop being such sore losers.

LMAO The Yes vote lost the last time but never accepted the result, now that is serious sore losers.

Rb · 03-10-2009 7:16pm

Run Paulie! The Slavs are coming!

What won it for the Yes side?

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