Worker arrives in unkempt

Sleipnir

Voltex wrote: »

what it comes down to, is if you are the public face of a company...be it whatever...Id fully expect you to be neat, clean shaven and dressed smartly.

Voltex wrote: »

I really dont give a fidlers fart whats said about me or my opinion, its what boards is about...diversity of opinion!!...but the fact you have made reference to my children does. Im lookin for a Mod to remove that post now pls.

Voltex wrote: »

reason Im posting this is that while in Tesco tonight I was served by a lad prob 24/25 who must have had about 3 days growth on his face. if i was his manager, Id have given him the choice of A) Purchasing a packet of Gillett off the shelf or f*ckin off home for the rest of the day.
He wasnt far off lookin like Chewie from Star wars.

I wouldn't be all that bothered with stubble, but if if I were your manager, and found that you were emailing customers with the same poor grammar and punctuation that you've used here, I would certainly mention it to you.

It would tell me that you don't care.
Beard growth and appearances are not the only things that present a bad impression.

Sofiztikated

Sleipnir wrote: »

I wouldn't be all that bothered with stubble, but if if I were your manager, and found that you were emailing customers with the same poor grammar and punctuation that you've used here, I would certainly mention it to you.

It would tell me that you don't care.
Beard growth and appearances are not the only things that present a bad impression.

:P

I agree though, there are many things that present a bad impression.

Sleipnir

Sofiztikated wrote: »

:P

I agree though, there are many things that present a bad impression.

You've never heard of "if if"?
If if I.
If if you.
If if we?
Really, it's first-grade stuff, Sofiztikated!

Sorry, I'm a serial re-editor of my posts but often leave them in a worse state the second, third or forth time around!

Captain Havoc

jerseyeire wrote: »

Use your noodle, you either shave daily or you have a beard which you keep trimmed. I'm not against beards as I've said I had one for a while and I did sport a goatie for a few years. If you are going to grow a beard then it should be done during holidays or periods when you're not dealing with the public. This is only appicable to people who work in hotels, banks, sales etc..... I don't care if someone who serves me hasn't shaved but there are people out there and on this thread who do and this is why the male face should be looking tidy.

Knifey Spoony wrote: »

It sounds like you are treating men that have not shaven in a couple of days like lepers, that they should stay out of the public domain for fear that their appearence might cause deep offence to people like the OP and you.

Well done on choosing to leave out the section that says I had a beard and a goatie but in a lapse of concentration you left in the part that says "I don't care if someone who serves me hasn't shaved" so you can leave me out of the people it causes deep offence to. I think anyone in hotel management would agree with the points I've made. I never told a chef to shave only those dealing directly with the public.

asdasd

It left an impression...and not a good one.

YOU WERE IN TESCOS. ITS A SUPERMARKET.

asdasd

I wouldn't be all that bothered with stubble, but if if I were your manager, and found that you were emailing customers with the same poor grammar and punctuation that you've used here, I would certainly mention it to you.

I think we was right with the 3 days thing, though.

pickarooney

Sleipnir wrote: »

I wouldn't be all that bothered with stubble, but if if I were your manager, and found that you were emailing customers with the same poor grammar and punctuation that you've used here, I would certainly mention it to you.

It would tell me that you don't care.
Beard growth and appearances are not the only things that present a bad impression.

Pssst, there's an edit button for when you **** up your grammar when trying to correct someone else's for no apparent reason.

Sleipnir

pickarooney wrote: »

Pssst, there's an edit button for when you **** up your grammar when trying to correct someone else's for no apparent reason.

Your missing the point.

A mistake when typing is just that, a mistake.

However when someone, for example, repeatedly doesn't insert an apostrophe into words where they belong, e.g. "dont" and "cant", it shows carelessness, laziness and a lack of attention to detail.

Also, as you can see from my previous post where I said;

"Sorry, I'm a serial re-editor of my posts"

I'm well aware that there is an edit button, i just chose not to use it in this case as my mistake had already been quoted and was, therefore, on public record anyway!

tvnutz

Sleipnir wrote: »

You're missing the point.

BroomBurner

phill106 wrote: »

Just confirming the policy of hotels. They do not allow growing time, and they will tell you to shave or go home.
Wonder should there be exceptions for especially ugly people
See the issue is, you can do anything to men, but not to women.
Try telling women to shave? Wear hair short? Wear a tie? You would be hung drawn and quartered!

There are plenty of places that have strict dress-codes for women aswell, i.e. having to wear heels, full face of make-up, always dressed-up (BT and Body Shop staff and Air Hostesses are three examples).

Unless you're specifically talking about shaving, in which case, there is only one industry that can ask women to shave for a job...

asdasd

Unless you're specifically talking about shaving, in which case, there is only one industry that can ask women to shave for a job...

Cycling?

Sleipnir

tvnutz wrote: »

GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!

asdasd

You spelt Gah wrong, Sleipner.

/ gets coat, leaves.

Vain

Sundays a day for rest, not for a serious topic like this:rolleyes:

MagicMarker

BroomBurner wrote: »

There are plenty of places that have strict dress-codes for women aswell, i.e. having to wear heels, full face of make-up, always dressed-up (BT and Body Shop staff and Air Hostesses are three examples).

Unless you're specifically talking about shaving, in which case, there is only one industry that can ask women to shave for a job...

Their employers insist on a face full of make up, is that in their contract?

listermint

Hi If the OP is still around what tescos was it you were in? It sounds distinctly like a friend of mine with said beard growth

BroomBurner

MagicMarker wrote: »

Their employers insist on a face full of make up, is that in their contract?

I presume so, seeing as training is given on how to apply make-up properly.

As for the wearing of heels, there was something in Britain there recently about a call for the removal of dress-codes from certain contracts, namely citing the requirement for wearing heels while working as an air-hostess.

ShooterSF

Maybe you should shop in M&S or Brown Thomas.

Osgoodisgood

Sofiztikated wrote: »

Out of the public domain, no. Out of the workplace, where neat appearance is expected, yes.

Look at it like this.

Your dealing with someone in a business environment. They are selling you something. But they're dressed is a raggedy tshirt and a torn pair of trousers. Is that the image you would expect of a sales person.

Or would you expect them to wear clean clothes? Not necessarily suited & booted, as that isn't every stores image, but clean, ironed, proper.

So why not the same with their facial appearance. Raggedy or clean?

In order to avoid those situations where you find yourself face to face with the riff-raff, perhaps Jeeves might be better employed bartering for your goods down at the market? It's a win/win too as you'll be free to spend more time preening your baby's bottom smooth face in preparation for the next inspection.

rubadub

nipplenuts wrote: »

Did it impact on the way you were served?

Voltex wrote: »

It left an impression...and not a good one.

I would have been left with a bad impression if I saw a sign in tesco saying "we force all our employees to shave or they are sacked."

Sofiztikated

Osgoodisgood wrote: »

perhaps Jeeves might be better employed bartering for your goods down at the market? It's a win/win too as you'll be free to spend more time preening your baby's bottom smooth face in preparation for the next inspection.

I had to let Jeeves go after he refused to shave. I now have a boy, Frederick, that does that for me.

Don't assume i'm upper class, all i expect is pride in your appearance in a work environment.

MagicMarker

Sofiztikated wrote: »

I had to let Jeeves go after he refused to shave. I now have a boy, Frederick, that does that for me.

Don't assume i'm upper class, all i expect is pride in your appearance in a work environment.

What if you're a labourer?

BroomBurner

MagicMarker wrote: »

What if you're a labourer?

You're right there, MagicMarker, labourers shouldn't be allowed to have pride in their appearance. Sure the answer is in the question.

Sofiztikated

MagicMarker wrote: »

What if you're a labourer?

This is based on someone in a direct customer related environment.

MagicMarker

Sofiztikated wrote: »

This is based on someone in a direct customer related environment.

Okay, what if you're a labourer working on my house?

Jesus Juice

Voltex wrote: »

Its not about beards per se...its about the in between bit where they just look scruffy!

Well...How is someone supposed to grow a beard without going through the in between stage?Give up their job until the beard is grown?Call it Beard-Leave.

Sofiztikated

MagicMarker wrote: »

Okay, what if you're a labourer working on my house?

Again, its not a direct customer related role, but yes, in that case, i'd expect the "labourer" to have some pride in his appearance. Maybe not the same level as someone in a customer focused role, but why not? Yes, they will get dirty during their work, such is the nature of the work, but turning up messy, I wouldn't be impressed.

Mark200

When someone is interacting with customers they're representing the company they work for. Unshaven people can look unprofessional. So, if I was a manager and felt that an employee was looking unprofessional by his lack of shaving then I'd probably tell him to make sure he shaves before his next shift.

I don't get the whole stupid "did it effect how he served you" comments. It doesn't matter. An image is very important for all businesses. Just like employees are generally given nice uniforms. Uniforms don't effect the service you get either, but they look professional. Just like you'd tell someone to put their uniform back on because they look unprofessional without it, I'd tell someone to shave if they looked unprofessional unshaven.

Osgoodisgood

Sofiztikated wrote: »

I had to let Jeeves go after he refused to shave. I now have a boy, Frederick, that does that for me.

too..........many.............jokes.......................

Don't assume i'm upper class,

Well, I didn't. What I was doing was attempting to use the Jeeves imagery as a means of illustrating what an over inflated toolbag you were being. I'm sorry to say my ruse has backfired. Darn it.

all i expect is pride in your appearance in a work environment.

And your expectation is noted. Harrods have been notified to expect your exclusive patronage from now on.

Sofiztikated

Osgoodisgood wrote: »

Well, I didn't. What I was doing was attempting to use the Jeeves imagery as a means of illustrating what an over inflated toolbag you were being. I'm sorry to say my ruse has backfired. Darn it.
And your expectation is noted. Harrods have been notified to expect your exclusive patronage from now on.

As Mark200 just said, the employee is representing the company, not themselves. Why should they not be tidy, please enlighten me. And this makes me a toolbag how?

asdasd

As Mark200 just said, the employee is representing the company, not themselves. Why should they not be tidy, please enlighten me. And this makes me a toolbag how?

Largely, I think, because you went to a cheap supermarket. Now had you paid the big bucks at Harrods you would be entitled to complain. As you didnt, you dont. The stuff is cheap because labour there is cheap ( and much of the labour is supplied by the customer), and being cheap and unskilled the people involved - quite understandably - are not going to take all that much time to be absolutely perfect in their appearance for your cheap overview. Stubble, afer all, has nothing to do with anything that can affect the shrink wrapped 80% ham, and the Strongbow, you piled up the weekly shop with.

So if you want perfectly made up models out of GQ, step up a level to a more sophisticated shopping experience where labour is paid more, and better skilled, and (barf) incentivised to care what you think of their beard growing.

I have seen stubbly doctors in my time, by the way. I put it down to long hours. I didnt worry about cleanliness in other aspects of their job.

waitinforatrain

Voltex wrote: »

It left an impression...and not a good one.

Why do you give a **** how other people choose to dress or shave? "It left an impression", well ta-tee-taw-tee-tiddly-taw!

Voltex

Largely, I think, because you went to a cheap supermarket. Now had you paid the big bucks at Harrods you would be entitled to complain

Sorry but thats rubbish. Funny thing is that my wife used to work in the same store when it was Crazy prices and she remembers arriving into work and basically being lined up and inspected before being allowed onto the shop floor...shoes, uniform,hair,...make-up. she was once sent home for having two studs in her ear...but in the last few years shop staffs appearance has really gone down hill.

Theres no getting away from it...3-4 days facial growth looks scruffy and takes away from the store.

So what if it was tesco...does that mean store managers cant have pride in the stores frontline staff?

if i was a store manager Id want customers to feel they are given the same level of consideration and respect as their richer peers who can afford a weekly shop in M&S or BT.

rubadub

Sofiztikated wrote: »

Why should they not be tidy, please enlighten me.

The problem is who decides what is tidy. In this case it seems tesco might have no problem with stubble but the OP does. What if a manager things long hair is untidy and wants all the female staff to get skinheads, what if the OP things they should, they can tell a manager they think all staff should be shaven headed, but it is up to them. From the posts here it seems most people have no problem with stubble.

Men with shaved heads are the accepted norm now, it is seen as a tidy haircut compared to normal ones now. But I remember getting just a blade 3 or 4 in school and been taken aside by teachers asking WTF I was thinking, and not being let into bars. That was ~18 years ago. Stubble is a lot more accepted now too.

galwayrush

jaffa20 wrote: »

eh, i shave once a week.

I shave once a month and my goatee once every 3-4 months and have long hair and no body is going to send me home.:p

MagicMarker

Voltex wrote: »

Sorry but thats rubbish. Funny thing is that my wife used to work in the same store when it was Crazy prices and she remembers arriving into work and basically being lined up and inspected before being allowed onto the shop floor...shoes, uniform,hair,...make-up. she was once sent home for having two studs in her ear...but in the last few years shop staffs appearance has really gone down hill.

Theres no getting away from it...3-4 days facial growth looks scruffy and takes away from the store.

So what if it was tesco...does that mean store managers cant have pride in the stores frontline staff?

if i was a store manager Id want customers to feel they are given the same level of consideration and respect as their richer peers who can afford a weekly shop in M&S or BT.

Your wife wasn't in Tesco yesterday was she?

waitinforatrain

Sofiztikated wrote: »

I'm actually going to side with the OP here. Why should your man in the shop be untidy in work? Now, i do have facial hair, but i grew it in my own time, and its kept tidy for work. If he's being that lacks with shaving, what other basic hygiene is he not doing?

I've had to get people to shave. Not a full beard off, but 5 o'clock shadow. You want to be messy, do it on your own time.

There's nothing unhygenic about not shaving...

Voltex

MagicMarker wrote: »

Your wife wasn't in Tesco yesterday was she?

No....why was yours?

waitinforatrain

Voltex wrote: »

No....why was yours?

oooh... oh no you didn't!!!

MagicMarker

Voltex wrote: »

No....why was yours?

My wife's dead.

Odysseus

When I writing up my notes on a session part of them would take in the clients general appearance. I would only write unkempt when there was a few factors to be considered. The person's general appearance, hair styled or wild. Are their clothes clean,soiled, or disheveled, do they fit. What is their personal hygine like fingernails, do they smell etc.

Unshave would only be a small factor on my decision as to what I would write. Being unshaven is not being unclean. My mother belived that anyone with a thight hair-cut was a thug and I would say the same type of connection is being made here, a incorrect judgemental one.

Seriously of course people should be prsentable in work, I wear amry combats around the house; I wouldn't go to work like that. The judgements some people make are so off the mark. I communte to work on a motorbike, occassionally I may have to go to a meeting/give a lecture somewhere nobody knows me. I get a great laugh out of people when I turn up in my bike kit. Generally before I have asked is there somewhere to change they have made a judgement about me, that I'm there to collect/deliver something, which in away I am. However, all they see is a courier not the person giving them the lecture/talk.

A few times I had people try to brush me off, can you go to reception they will help you. Then the suddenly change when I tell them why I'm tell.

Sofiztikated

I'm not the OP

I just happened to side with them.

I'm not expecting them to shave with scented water, use all the latest styling gear etc. to go into work for a minimum wage job, but a razor doesn't cost that much, but pride in their appearance is priceless.

When I was training, I was getting pitance, about €156 a week, for a 40 hour week, apprenticeship wages, and I managed to turn out tidy every day. And you could be sure as **** that if I didn't, I was pulled on it.

I apply the same now.

And anyway, a lot of those GQ models, they have that permenant stubble that I just can't manage to achieve, and am a little jealous over.

Edit: Just read Odysseus' post. Essentially, that is what I was trying to get across. Its not just the shaved/unshaved battle that seems to have appeared here, but a number of other factors as well. BUT when it comes to facial hair, you know that time when its past stubble, and not quite into proper beard/goatee territory, that what I am talking about.

Riddle101

For fcuk sake OP it's a supermarket, not the bleeding army. There's no rule in place that says an employee can't grow a beard so by all means he's not doing anything wrong. Also if you're going to get on your high horse over a guy you hardly even know's appearence, then I would hate to see what you would do in a manager's position. Fact is, obviously the management in the Tesco that you went to don't seem to care about the guys apperence so it's not like he's doing anything wrong. You'd swear the OP was making it out as if the guy insulted him or something.

Jesus Juice

Riddle101 wrote: »

For fcuk sake OP it's a supermarket, not the bleeding army. There's no rule in place that says an employee can't grow a beard so by all means he's not doing anything wrong. Also if you're going to get on your high horse over a guy you hardly even know's appearence, then I would hate to see what you would do in a manager's position. Fact is, obviously the management in the Tesco that you went to don't seem to care about the guys apperence so it's not like he's doing anything wrong. You'd swear the OP was making it out as if the guy insulted him or something.

+1.
If the dude had FUCK shaved into his beard,fair enough.But its stubble.

Odysseus

Sofiztikated wrote: »

I'm not the OP



Edit: Just read Odysseus' post. Essentially, that is what I was trying to get across. Its not just the shaved/unshaved battle that seems to have appeared here, but a number of other factors as well. BUT when it comes to facial hair, you know that time when its past stubble, and not quite into proper beard/goatee territory, that what I am talking about.

However, the bit in between is still not unclean in and of itself, that's the point I'm making.

Osgoodisgood

Voltex wrote: »

Sorry but thats rubbish. Funny thing is that my wife used to work in the same store when it was Crazy prices and she remembers arriving into work and basically being lined up and inspected before being allowed onto the shop floor...shoes, uniform,hair,...make-up. she was once sent home for having two studs in her ear

Times have changed. Two studs in the ear is not going to get anyone sent home. During the time of the Roman empire youths would often rub oil onto their skin to try to force the growth of a scraggly beard. Are you telling me that a 2100 year old Roman shouldn't be allowed to stack the shelves at my local Tesco?

...but in the last few years shop staffs appearance has really gone down hill.

Uphill if you're an orthodox jew

Theres no getting away from it...3-4 days facial growth looks scruffy and takes away from the store.

But it is an excellent look if you're representing yourself as the son of god!

if i was a store manager Id want customers to feel they are given the same level of consideration and respect as their richer peers who can afford a weekly shop in M&S or BT.

And I'd want my staff to just do a good job of looking after my customers and not worry too much if some of them offended Mr Strickland.

Azureus

Theres a guy who arrived into my job (sales/reception) in a tracksuit, clearly dirty with greasy long hair and beard growth.. he was sent home because of these combined factors That is unacceptable. It is the culmination of the entire thing that made it look bad
I have had doctors/dentists/tesco workers/shoe salesmen etc serve me with stubble/beards and I have barely taken notice, certainly havent been offended. If couples with greasy hair and the appearance of a general wreck serve me, then fair enough complain
In short-stop moaning until you have something to moan about! Theres enough crap in this country to get on your high horse about, this aint one of them!

dutchcat

i hope you never get served by bridget in supervalue on the hacketstown road :eek:

Voltex

When I writing up my notes on a session part of them would take in the clients general appearance. I would only write unkempt when there was a few factors to be considered. The person's general appearance, hair styled or wild. Are their clothes clean,soiled, or disheveled, do they fit. What is their personal hygine like fingernails, do they smell etc.

Unshave would only be a small factor on my decision as to what I would write. Being unshaven is not being unclean. My mother belived that anyone with a thight hair-cut was a thug and I would say the same type of connection is being made here, a incorrect judgemental one.

...thats great...but this lads mental status is not the topic of discussion here...its his apperance was not what i would expect of frontline staff of any company...nor that of a PLC.

Odysseus

Voltex wrote: »

...thats great...but this lads mental status is not the topic of discussion here...its his apperance was not what i would expect of frontline staff of any company...nor that of a PLC.

Does it matter the reason you are noting the person's appearance, I can't see how the cirteria would change, as I said facial hair is only one apsect of one's appearance, not the defining caracteristic.