The Government Could Not Have Continued In Office If There Had Been A "No" Vote

dresden8

This was the last chance we had before 2012, the government will throw the greens some crumbs and they will get the 70 billion or so away to their bondholder and shareholder mates through NAMA.

The country is finished.

Fuhrer

dresden8 wrote: »

This was the last chance we had before 2012, the government will throw the greens some crumbs and they will get the 70 billion or so away to their bondholder and shareholder mates through NAMA.

The country is finished.

This wasnt a general election.

dresden8

Fuhrer wrote: »

This wasnt a general election.

Prize for the obvious goes to....

Fuhrer

dresden8 wrote: »

Prize for the obvious goes to....

Not to you apparently.

Mario007

dresden8 wrote: »

This was the last chance we had before 2012, the government will throw the greens some crumbs and they will get the 70 billion or so away to their bondholder and shareholder mates through NAMA.

The country is finished.

dude i know you're bitter, but no one is stating that this was a win for the government. not even cowen...so i dunno why you are getting worked up over it. lisbon is an european issue...NAMA is a national issue, as is the budget etc...

dresden8

Do you disagree that the Lisbon result saved the government?

Mario007

dresden8 wrote: »

Do you disagree that the Lisbon result saved the government?

yes because there was nothing endangering the government, since they have a comfortable majority in the dail, being elected there for 5 years. now why were they elected there for 5 years? i would like to know that too, but they were. so unless the majority will be somehow weakened or broken the government doesnt need to be 'saved' since there is nothing out there to get them

prinz

dresden8 wrote: »

Do you disagree that the Lisbon result saved the government?

Who do you think was going to lead a vote of no confidence? FG, Labour?? It's not like they didn't have a vested interest in a yes vote too. Give it up.

Fuhrer

dresden8 wrote: »

Do you disagree that the Lisbon result saved the government?

People who were going to vote for or against fianna fail in the general election will do so regardless of Lisbon

dresden8

I have it on good authority from a Fianna Failer that a No vote meant FF could not have continued in office.

A senior-ish FFer.

Fuhrer

dresden8 wrote: »

I have it on authority from a Fianna Failer that a No vote meant FF could not have continued in office.

Oh, so the rules of government have changed magically or secretly then?

namloc1980

dresden8 wrote: »

I have it on authority from a Fianna Failer that a No vote meant FF could not have continued in office.

Was this Fianna Failer, Brian Cowen by any chance?

prinz

dresden8 wrote: »

I have it on good authority from a Fianna Failer that a No vote meant FF could not have continued in office.

A senior-ish FFer.

O is this Willie O'Dea on TV earlier? :pac: yeah you mentioned that already, and no he didn't say that FF could not have continued in office.

jank

Dresden8 has a point. The government doesn't give 2 hoots about the people. IF it did it would offer itself up in an election before NAMA. The fact remains that this was the ONLY time the public could have folded the government with an election until 2012.

Anyway continue on about the budget and NAMA.....
I have lost a lot of my faith in the Irish people over the last few months on how meek we are and continuiously take it up the ass from people who "know better" about NAMA, Lisbon, Unions, Expenses etc.

I am submitting my final residency forms this week. I am not sure if I ever want to go back, that is how much the government and the public reaction has made me turn against my home country.:(

dresden8

prinz wrote: »

O is this Willie O'Dea on TV earlier? :pac: yeah you mentioned that already, and no he didn't say that FF could not have continued in office.

I didn't mention Willie O'Dea today. Is this a yes side lie?

Rb

Did Lisbon 1 sink the Government?

prinz

jank wrote: »

The fact remains that this was the ONLY time the public could have folded the government with an election until 2012...

No, it really wasn't. Goodbye

Fuhrer

jank wrote: »

The fact remains that this was the ONLY time the public could have folded the government with an election until 2012.

How?

This wasnt a general election, no outcome of this referndum would have any effect on the government being folded or not.

dresden8

Rb wrote: »

Did Lisbon 1 sink the Government?

That was Cowen's first failure. This would have been the last of a long line of failures.

prinz

dresden8 wrote: »

I didn't mention Willie O'Dea today. Is this a yes side lie?

Sincere apologies

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=62382079&postcount=45

dresden8

prinz wrote: »

Sincere apologies

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=62382079&postcount=45

Thanks, didn't see that.

That makes one Minister and one senior-ish person who disagree with you folks.

prinz

dresden8 wrote: »

Thanks, didn't see that.
That makes one Minister and one senior-ish person who disagree with you folks.

Glad I could help the only problem is that Paulie was being a bit liberal with the reality of what Willie O'Dea actually said.

Mario007

dresden8 wrote: »

That was Cowen's first failure. This would have been the last of a long line of failures.

how do you know? the man has had so many failures in that year and a half in power that you'd think he got used to them. maybe this time he'll think he can succeed and when he fails again will be so broken that he resigns...sounds too far fetched? well just trying to think along the lines of the OP

dresden8

Mario007 wrote: »

how do you know? the man has had so many failures in that year and a half in power that you'd think he got used to them. maybe this time he'll think he can succeed and when he fails again will be so broken that he resigns...sounds too far fetched? well just trying to think along the lines of the OP

Like I said, It's a senior-ish FFer who thinks the government could not have continued in office, I just happen to agree with him, and said so before the vote, and today's "revelation".

Fuhrer

dresden8 wrote: »

Like I said, It's a senior-ish FFer who thinks the government could not have continued in office, I just happen to agree with him, and said so before the vote, and today's "revelation".

I just talked to the same person and he said you're lying.

dresden8

Fuhrer wrote: »

I just talked to the same person and he said you're lying.

Now that's a lie, and you know it.

You sir, are a fibber.

Fuhrer

dresden8 wrote: »

Now that's a lie, and you know it.

Prove me wrong.

dresden8

Fuhrer wrote: »

Prove me wrong.

How can I do that?

Mr. Fibber.

Mario007

dresden8 wrote: »

Like I said, It's a senior-ish FFer who thinks the government could not have continued in office, I just happen to agree with him, and said so before the vote, and today's "revelation".

and i was talking to a FG TD and FG MEP and Pat Cox and none of them mentioned even the possibilty of this government going down if there was a no vote.

the only one to mix it all together was Ganley and Higgins. they thought this was a vote on Lisbon, Europe, NATO, Privatisation, NAMA and the government.

dresden8

Mario007 wrote: »

and i was talking to a FG TD and FG MEP and Pat Cox and none of them mentioned even the possibilty of this government going down if there was a no vote.

the only one to mix it all together was Ganley and Higgins. they thought this was a vote on Lisbon, Europe, NATO, Privatisation, NAMA and the government.

Not the only one.

Fuhrer

dresden8 wrote: »

How can I do that?

Mr. Fibber.

Yes well, you see the problem with you claiming an anonymouse source told you such information?

It just makes you look like a liar.