Will the Yes side follow through on its claims?

kryogen

Taxipete29 wrote: »

This means nothing. The No side broke some of those rules the last time around and probably did again this time.

People voted No last time based on the lies of Libertas, Coir etc.

They voted Yes this time based on the fact that almost anyone of any standing or influence in the country from politics or from business was advocating a Yes vote.

The public arent as stupid as you think and Ganley et al arent as smart.

oh you better be careful saying people voted based on anything other then total comprehension of the treaty! there is a guy on here who just doesnt tolerate that kind of thing lol

Sully

Waterford firm to create 20 jobs
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2009/1005/breaking1.htm

They promise us jobs after we accept Lisbon, and we get jobs... DISGRACEFUL! Should have lied tbh.

ei.sdraob

Sully wrote: »

Waterford firm to create 20 jobs
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2009/1005/breaking1.htm

They promise us jobs after we accept Lisbon, and we get jobs... DISGRACEFUL! Should have lied tbh.

http://www.fiannafail.ie/blog/entry/ratification-of-lisbon-represents-an-important-step-towards-resolving-our-p/

Liam Byrne

Lots of mention of the phrase "self-interest" in that Fianna Failure article.

Par for the course, really.

P. Breathnach

Liam Byrne wrote: »

Lots of mention of the phrase "self-interest" in that Fianna Failure article.

Par for the course, really.

I notice no shortage of self-interest anywhere. A little more altruism would make the world a nicer place.

rumour

ei.sdraob wrote: »

http://www.fiannafail.ie/blog/entry/ratification-of-lisbon-represents-an-important-step-towards-resolving-our-p/

:eek: Look at this!!!! STRAIGHT FROM YOUR LINK!


In July, it was revealed that almost 15 per cent of the loans given out by the European Central Bank to the European banking sector went to Irish-based institutions. That's a massive show of support for our banking system. The liquidity made available by the ECB has been indispensable to us as we strive to cope with the credit crunch and sustain jobs across the country. The ECB is now ensuring that our interest rates are at an all-time low. This is a powerful illustration of the extent to which the European Union is crucial to our collective economic well-being.

Just cannot get over the spin(underlined by myself).

Sully

Fecking Yes side. There announcing even more fecking jobs. Disgraceful. I hope someone took a picture of the "Yes to Jobs" advert!!!

50 financial services jobs for Sligo
http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/1005/equinoxe.html

Tut.

ei.sdraob

and now the cost of Irish debt falls as predicted

ei.sdraob

rumour wrote: »

:eek: Look at this!!!! STRAIGHT FROM YOUR LINK!


In July, it was revealed that almost 15 per cent of the loans given out by the European Central Bank to the European banking sector went to Irish-based institutions. That's a massive show of support for our banking system. The liquidity made available by the ECB has been indispensable to us as we strive to cope with the credit crunch and sustain jobs across the country. The ECB is now ensuring that our interest rates are at an all-time low. This is a powerful illustration of the extent to which the European Union is crucial to our collective economic well-being.

Just cannot get over the spin(underlined by myself).

well done

yes the ECB are keeping this country from imploding

how nice of them, only them stupid europeans would be foolish enough to continue pumping money into a bankrupt country

does the NO side never give up? its monday now, the sky hasnt fallen yet :rolleyes:

Wheely

kryogen wrote: »

Just wanna get a poll going here, doing a little piece and would like to get some opinions, basically, the question is, the slogans such as Yes for recovery and Yes for jobs etc. were a big influence on alot of voters in how they voted, do you think these claims will be backed up? if so, how and if they are not upheld then what do people think should be done, eg, resignations, holding another referendum, absolutely nothing, etc.

any replies appreciated but please keep it civil, i would really like to get a good sample here for my research


argh! forgot to add a poll, so lets just make it a discussion thread please! all thoughts welcome


EDIT: i reckon i should clarify a couple of things so here is exactly what i want

1. Do you think the yes side will follow through on claims such as speedy economic recovery and jobs being created in a speedy fashion as was implied
2. If they fail in these areas what should happen then

Yawn. Seriously.

kryogen

Wheely wrote: »

Yawn. Seriously.

Begs the queston, why bother replying at all? your day must have been pretty boring i guess

kryogen

Sully wrote: »

Waterford firm to create 20 jobs
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2009/1005/breaking1.htm

They promise us jobs after we accept Lisbon, and we get jobs... DISGRACEFUL! Should have lied tbh.

They did not promise jobs, ask Mr. Lenihan!

Nice to hear some good news (even if it is a tiny amount of jobs ) for a change all the same!

rumour

ei.sdraob wrote: »

well done

yes the ECB are keeping this country from imploding

how nice of them, only them stupid europeans would be foolish enough to continue pumping money into a bankrupt country

does the NO side never give up? its monday now, the sky hasnt fallen yet :rolleyes:

Well we've backed the EU to sort out all our problems, I wonder can we stay the course. Or is this just another fair weather friend.

And BTW there is no 'NO' side now its over. There's just a third of the country politically disenfranchised. But thats another discussion.

meglome

Yes vote prevented market slump, say brokers

A DRAMATIC fall on the Dublin stock market was avoided yesterday due to the resounding Yes vote in the Lisbon Treaty referendum, according to stockbrokers. Traders had feared that a No vote would send the Iseq tumbling by as much as 20 per cent yesterday, but instead the index of Irish shares held its value.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/finance/2009/1006/1224255984213.html

meglome

rumour wrote: »

Well we've backed the EU to sort out all our problems, I wonder can we stay the course. Or is this just another fair weather friend.

Yeah they've just been building us up since 1972 to knock us down, no other reason for it.

rumour wrote: »

And BTW there is no 'NO' side now its over. There's just a third of the country politically disenfranchised. But thats another discussion.

A third of the electorate, how difficult is this concept? You'll need to look up how representative democracy works again - majority rule an' all that.

BetterLisbon

The important thing for the no side is to keep the treaty controversy alive. The yes side made explicit promises of jobs and economic recovery. There is no way to wriggle out of it unless the no side disbands and is not there to remind the public. I fully expect IFE, We Belong, GenYes and all Brendan Halligan's "civil society" groups will quietly exit stageleft and go back to their political parties especially as there may be a general election soon.

P. Breathnach

BetterLisbon wrote: »

... The yes side made explicit promises of jobs and economic recovery...

No, they didn't.

dresden8

Yes, they did.

http://www.fiannafail.ie/news/entry/YestoLisbon/

Yes to Lisbon, Yes to FDI, Yes to New Jobs

She said that a strong YES vote on Friday week would give new impetus to job creation and an export-led recovery.

Noreen1

The major political parties certainly suggested that a "Yes" vote would assist economic recovery.

I believe I stated my reservations on another thread, before the referendum.

I have noticed that some people seem to be under the impression that those who failed to understand the treaty/paid attention to posters (on whatever side) are inferior citizens.

Thankfully, the right to vote is not dependent on intelligence - so may I respectfully request that people show respect for one another, whatever their personal opinion of any persons intelligence?

I believe it would prevent a lot of threads becoming "slanging matches", to the benefit of all who participate.

Noreen

P. Breathnach

dresden8 wrote: »

Yes, they did.

http://www.fiannafail.ie/news/entry/YestoLisbon/

1. That is one voice on the yes side, not representing all who advocated a yes vote.
2. They are not explicit promises; "new impetus to job creation" is not an explicit promise.

My name is URL

P. Breathnach wrote: »

1. That is one voice on the yes side, not representing all who advocated a yes vote.

No harm to you, but doesn't it suck when an entire 'side' is tarred with the words of one person / group?

dresden8

P. Breathnach wrote: »

1. That is one voice on the yes side, not representing all who advocated a yes vote.
2. They are not explicit promises; "new impetus to job creation" is not an explicit promise.

That one voice is Tanaiste and Minister for Enterprise, Trade and Employment.

"Yes to New Jobs".

P. Breathnach

dresden8 wrote: »

That one voice is Tanaiste and Minister for Enterprise, Trade and Employment.

It's Mary Coughlan: don't expect her to get everything right.

"Yes to New Jobs".

I'll give you that the header over-eggs the pudding; the text is a bit more restrained.

But it's still not explict. There is nothing about how many jobs might arise from our assenting to Lisbon, or how long it might take them to materialise.

It is absurd to expect results so soon. I don't expect the prediction made on the no side that the minimum wage will fall to €1.84 to come through for at least 3 years. When that happens, we''ll win those Dell jobs back from Poland. Will we be allowed count them as new jobs?

dresden8

P. Breathnach wrote: »

It's Mary Coughlan: don't expect her to get everything right.

You hit us with Coir, we'll hit you with Mary Coughlan.

Scofflaw

dresden8 wrote: »

You hit us with Coir, we'll hit you with Mary Coughlan.

Lose-lose - how nice!

cordially,
Scofflaw

K-9

dresden8 wrote: »

You hit us with Coir, we'll hit you with Mary Coughlan.

I want to see the Son of a Biatch prove it?

truthisfree

Taxipete29 wrote: »

This means nothing. The No side broke some of those rules the last time around and probably did again this time.

People voted No last time based on the lies of Libertas, Coir etc.

They voted Yes this time based on the fact that almost anyone of any standing or influence in the country from politics or from business was advocating a Yes vote.

The public arent as stupid as you think and Ganley et al arent as smart.

I work full time in media, Yes the public are stupid and will swallow anything as long as it is in byte sized lumps, don't think for a minute that someone like myself cannot be hired by the main parties to "sell" their BS and not be taken in by it! In case you have not noticed most people are idiots and do no more than read a few headlines in the newspapers while buying a pint of milk. Dream on kid!

K-9

truthisfree wrote: »

I work full time in media, Yes the public are stupid and will swallow anything as long as it is in byte sized lumps, don't think for a minute that someone like myself cannot be hired by the main parties to "sell" their BS and not be taken in by it! In case you have not noticed most people are idiots and do no more than read a few headlines in the newspapers while buying a pint of milk. Dream on kid!

And of course this never applied to the No side last time.