Cathal Dervan on Roy Keane

orourkeda

Has Anyone read the article by Cathal Dervan on Roy Keane?

Very interesting

dubmick

orourkeda wrote: »

Has Anyone read the article by Cathal Dervan on Roy Keane?

Very interesting

no, what paper?

orourkeda

dubmick wrote: »

no, what paper?

The Star yesterday

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He was very anti-Keane in the Saipan thing, he was also the journo who wrote the piece telling people to Boo Keane.

I would take any opinion of his on Keane with a mountain of salt tbh.

orourkeda

Des wrote: »

He was very anti-Keane in the Saipan thing, he was also the journo who wrote the piece telling people to Boo Keane.

I would take any opinion of his on Keane with a mountain of salt tbh.

Why? Are we all supposed to like Roy Keane? He apologised for the booing episode in this article

JPA

orourkeda wrote: »

Why? Are we all supposed to like Roy Keane? He apologised for the booing episode in this article

He's got an agenda, i.e. hate Roy Keane.

Handsome Bob

orourkeda wrote: »

Has Anyone read the article by Cathal Dervan on Roy Keane?

Very interesting

Gutter journalist, and I'm not even a fan of Roy.

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orourkeda wrote: »

Why? Are we all supposed to like Roy Keane?

No, I was just making people aware of this guys perspective, and to take his piece with that in mind.

ie, if he has a go at Keane for something, it may not be entirely objective. It will have a slant on it.

orourkeda

JPA wrote: »

He's got an agenda, i.e. hate Roy Keane.

I hate Roy Keane. So do a lot of other people. Isnt it an opinion more than an agenda?

lordgoat

orourkeda wrote: »

Why? Are we all supposed to like Roy Keane? He apologised for the booing episode in this article

I suppose better late than never, how many years ago was that now 7? So seven years to do something he could have done at any stage during them.
Also I can't stand him as a journalist, boring pedantic hack imo, and this has done nothing but remind me how little i think of him.

orourkeda

Des wrote: »

No, I was just making people aware of this guys perspective, and to take his piece with that in mind.

ie, if he has a go at Keane for something, it may not be entirely objective. It will have a slant on it.

Fair enough. I understand that. But isnt it reflective of others peoples perspective too. Not just his own

speedboatchase

Every Irish journalist has an agenda about Keane. Here's what the Independent actually finished their article about Keane over the weekend with:

"The rigour and the search for truth can be wearing, even if he knows he has right on his side.

He was right about the FAI, right about Saipan, right about the seats on the plane. He was right about Jamie Redknapp and his record number of England U21 caps. He was right about Richard Keys, right about Steve Staunton and Niall Quinn. He was right about dogs, right about Celebrity Love Island, right about Jason McAteer, right about London, right about Rolexes and media whores. He was right about Brian Clough, right about Alex Ferguson, right about Jack Charlton and Bob Dylan. He was right about The Bourne Ultimatum. He was right about Eamon Dunphy and right about drink. He was right about Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink and right about John O'Shea, He was right about Mick McCarthy and right about Maurice Setters. He was right about Arsene

Wenger and right about Rafa. He was right about Rio and right about John Scales and his England B caps. He was right about Dwight Yorke and right about Teddy Sheringham. He was right about Peter Schmeichel and Gary Neville. He was right about banter and right about pizza and right about golf. He was right about Harry's challenge and cheese sandwiches. He was right about Cubic expression and he was right about Eric Cantona. He was right about prawn sandwiches and he was right about dead fish. He was right about sheep and right about wolves. He was right about spoofers and he was right about bull****. He was right about everything."

http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/keano-feels-the-wrath-of-his-own-brand-of--anger-management-1903762.html

premierstone

JPA wrote: »

He's got an agenda, i.e. hate Roy Keane.

Doesnt everybody though its quite simple you either love him or hate him so you'll either get an article like this or one where the jornalist is licking he's hole, then off course you have Eamonn Dunphy who cant make he's mind up and jumps from one side to the other :rolleyes:

orourkeda

lordgoat wrote: »

I suppose better late than never, how many years ago was that now 7? So seven years to do something he could have done at any stage during them.
Also I can't stand him as a journalist, boring pedantic hack imo, and this has done nothing but remind me how little i think of him.

The article goes into more than just Saipan and a booing incident.

orourkeda

LZ5by5 wrote: »

Gutter journalist, and I'm not even a fan of Roy.

Maybe he is.

However, Roy Keane was involved on a professional level (and I use the word loosely) with Irelands premier guttersnipe to write a book for\about him.

lordgoat

orourkeda wrote: »

The article goes into more than just Saipan and a booing incident.

It's more his style i have a problem with. I also find that at times he's patronising and just think he's a great tabloid journalist. (That's not a compliment btw)

Good to see the indo banging out top quality written pieces there again!

Handsome Bob

He's just not a good journalist, every article of his that I have ever read has always had some underlying biased contained within it. I don't think that he rates objectivity as an important aspect of journalism.

lordgoat

LZ5by5 wrote: »

He's just not a good journalist, every article of his that I have ever read has always had some underlying biased contained within it. I don't think that he rates objectivity as an important aspect of journalism.

Yip spot on.

Iago

That independent "article" was a joke

"Roy Keane believes he's right about everything, but really he's just full of soundbites and hasn't the first idea of what he's doing. This leads to him having explosive outbursts in order to deflect attention away from himself and onto others. Ultimately he's just a very unhappy person, and we should all pity him really"

that's about the gist of it from what I can see. Utter twaddle in my opinion.

lordgoat

Iago wrote: »

That independent "article" was a joke

"Roy Keane believes he's right about everything, but really he's just full of soundbites and hasn't the first idea of what he's doing. This leads to him having explosive outbursts in order to deflect attention away from himself and onto others. Ultimately he's just a very unhappy person, and we should all pity him really"

that's about the gist of it from what I can see. Utter twaddle in my opinion.

Not often one would get to say this but i reckon Roy is a much much better manager than Dion is a journalist!

(Jerome O Reilly when he did sports was the only writer in the indo worth reading imo. Not sure if he's there anymore)

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Dion Fanning only has a job because of who his dad is.

whatawaster

Des wrote: »

Dion Fanning only has a job because of who his dad is.

Is it Dave?

dubmick

what did Keane say about about Jamie Redknapp and his record number of England U21 caps?

Aidric

Cathal Dervan & Dion Fanning are hysterical clowns perfectly suited to the agendas of their respective editors.

Quint

I seriously think we could have a seperate Roy Keane forum. And outside the Liverpool/Man-u megathreads/game threads, it would be busier than the entire soccer forum.

Fr Tod Umptious

Dervan is fairly pathetic really

There was some cliche ridden piece of rubbish by him in the Star on Sunday a week or so back about, and I am paraphrasing here, 'the green army have great craic on the road and recession or not a pint of plain is your only man', it was like something written by a 14 year old.

Plus there is this peice of rubbish from a few yaers back,
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=52519732&postcount=35

It's not the content of the article that I am talking about just the way it is written, again full of cliches

drkpower

Iago wrote: »

that's about the gist of it from what I can see. Utter twaddle in my opinion.

That article was pretty poor alright.

But Roy's propensity to open his mouth on anything and everything that is happening in the football (and non-footballing) world does line him up for that type of treatment.

As for the article, I did like the "Roy's right about everything" tirade; the last 10 years does feel like a very long and drawn out lecture from Roy Keane. Interspersed with the occasional "I get things wrong" admission. But does anyone actually think that Roy really thinks he gets things wrong, or at least that he gets the big things wrong? I doubt it.

stovelid

drkpower wrote: »

That article was pretty poor alright.

But Roy's propensity to open his mouth on anything and everything that is happening in the football (and non-footballing) world

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Sounds like Dervan or Fanning. Or any tabloid jouranlist that trades in opinion rather than analysis. Except they didn't actually go out and play for their club and country with merit.

I know who I'd rather listen to.

drkpower

stovelid wrote: »

Sounds like Dervan or Fanning. Or any tabloid jouranlist that trades in opinion rather than analysis. Except they didn't actually go out and play for their club and country with merit.

I know who I'd rather listen to.

But they are paid to talk sh!te on a Sunday.
Roy is paid to manage a football team.

Bandit12

Cathal dervan >>>> Crap Journo
Roy Keane >>>> Crap Manager.

Het-Field

Dervan has been a gutter journalist for years.

I have no sympathy for Keane, but Dervan is a tool

aidan24326

Originally Posted by Des
Dion Fanning only has a job because of who his dad is.

whatawaster wrote: »

Is it Dave?

I imagine he means Aengus Fanning, editor of The Sunday Independent.