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Psychiatry and big pharma
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espinolman wrote: »I have , i think it is the best thing there has ever been , i just really love Scienctology .
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You mean you love science-fiction based religious cults (and bad sci-fi at that). 0 -
Nick_oliveri wrote: »Because we shouldn't trust a word from a site affiliated with Scientology, thats the why. Its all fiction. Its nothing got to do with religion, it has to do with common sense.
:D:D
anyway what was the Topic we were discussing??0 -
namloc1980 wrote: »You mean you love science-fiction based religious cults (and bad sci-fi at that).
Its not fictional , it is a true religion , and the joke is on anyone who thinks it is science fiction , it is very simple , people are immortal , they never die and well have any of yis tried it , you know have you ever really tried to remember say a million years ago , seriously if you havent really tried to find out if it is true or not , well then who do you think you are going around saying Scientology is science-fiction !0 -
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espinolman wrote: »Its not fictional , it is a true religion , and the joke is on anyone who thinks it is science fiction , it is very simple , people are immortal , they never die and well have any of yis tried it , you know have you ever really tried to remember say a million years ago , seriously if you havent really tried to find out if it is true or not , well then who do you think you are going around saying Scientology is science-fiction !
It's about as true as an Intergalactic Dictator called Xenu flying billions of aliens to Earth in DC-10's 75m years ago, putting them into volcanoes and blowing them up with H-bombs........wait a second
Anyway enough of the scifi. Psychiatry is, by it's very nature, an extremely subjective discipline and is very much open to abuse because of that.0 -
namloc1980 wrote: »
Anyway enough of the scifi. .
No excuse me , that people are spiritual beings is not scifi, now there is more evidence that man is a spirtual being than there is he is a brain that lives once and when he dies , he ceases to exist , now that is scifi , like these psychologists and psychiatrists saying that you are a brain and thats all you are , and you are a product of your experience , well that is scifi
People are spiritual or creative beings but then there are these psychologists and psychiatrists saying people are just a piece of meat , a brain , therefore all suffering is imaginary , therefore its ok to drug people with toxic drugs , electrocute them , practice ethnic cleansing , you see all these sick practices are ok , because pschologists are saying the spirit does'nt exist , therefore suffering does'nt exist , don't you see , murder , rape , torture that is all ok because the spirit does'nt exist , don't you understand , see you don't exist to these people , therefore they don't feel remorse when they do evil things to people .0 -
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Eh, could one of our esteemed Moderators please slice up this thread into the relevant bit that some of us wish to keep discussing and the ramblin bits about religion that can be shoved off into some other forum (Recycle Bin seems like a good place).
there was an interesting discussion here about Psychology and Pharmacy conspiring to foist new dieseases and new 'wonderdrugs' specifically designed for these diseases.
just to remind the newcomers to the thread
the theory is
Pharmacists invent a drug
Psychologists invent a disease that fits the drug
General public gets ripped off on an industrial scale
but hey they dont care cost they're off their tits on happypills0 -
espinolman wrote: »
I like this one
"Mankind has so far survived all major catastrophes. It will also survive modern medicine." – Gerhard Kocher.0 -
the point i was making MC is that there is not scientific evidence to prove God exists, therefore anyone who truly believes in christianity must be suffering from a mental disorder, no?
that's how i interpret king mobs logic on this issue, don't mean to bring religion into the discussion 0 -
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Mahatma coat wrote: »Eh, could one of our esteemed Moderators please slice up this thread into the relevant bit that some of us wish to keep discussing and the ramblin bits about religion that can be shoved off into some other forum (Recycle Bin seems like a good place).
It was king mob and humanji who started it and it was yourself , nick oliver , namloc 1980 and King Mob who kept it it going , it was'nt me that started it , but i will finish it .
What i am saying is not rambling , it has everything to do with the reason they drug people , do you ever listen to what psychologists and psychiatrists are saying , they are insinutating the human spirit does'nt exist , do you know what the human spirit is , it is awareness , if you are conscious and aware of being aware , well then you are a spirit .
Does anyone here understand what i am getting at ?0 -
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Because they are a front group for a shady cult?espinolman wrote: »And why are you saying the CCHR aren't trustworthy ?
Why do you think they are more trustworthy?0 -
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espinolman wrote: »CCHR on Psychiatry: No Science, No Cures
Psychiatrists are openly admitting at the 2006 APA convention that they had no scientific tests to prove mental disorders are illness or disease !
Did you not notice how not a single one of the "psychiatrists" at the APA conference has a name tag. Nor do we hear what "mental disorder" the interviewer is referring.
It's a reprehensible piece of propaganda.
Two simple questions Espinolman
A) Do you believe Scientologists have massive opposition to legitimate psychiatric practices, and offer highly expensive alternative treatments of a dubious quality. Yes or No?
Do you accept that the CCHR is recognised as a Scientologist front? Yes or No? 0 -
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espinolman wrote: »Dr Thomas Szasz says in this video that " No behavior or misbehavior is a disease or can be a disease . That's not what diseases are . "
Dr Thomas Szasz on Psychiatry
I guess you missed the memo that Szasz isn't a regular practising psychiatrist. And is in fact a founder of the CCHR, sits on it's board and has been a keynote speaker for the CCHR;"We should honor CCHR because it is really the organization that for the first time in human history has organized a politically, socially, internationally significant voice to combat psychiatry. This has never happened in human history before."
Prof. Thomas Szasz, Co-founder, CCHR
CCHR website
if you are citing Szasz as a practising, mainstream, modern psychiatrist, you are clearly ignorant of the man's background.
The list of organisations that disagree with Szasz and claim mental illness are now regularly "approached, measured, or tested in scientific fashion, include the American Medical Association.
Now Esponolman, I asked you two simple questions.Me wrote:A) Do you believe Scientologists have massive opposition to legitimate psychiatric practices, and offer highly expensive alternative treatments of a dubious quality. Yes or No? Do you accept that the CCHR is recognised as a Scientologist front? Yes or No?
Would you please do me the honour of answering these two questions?0 -
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A) Do you believe Scientologists have massive opposition to legitimate psychiatric practices, and offer highly expensive alternative treatments of a dubious quality. Yes or No? Do you accept that the CCHR is recognised as a Scientologist front? Yes or No?
No , those questions are off topic of what is being discussed in this thread0 -
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espinolman wrote: »I am not discussing anything off topic .
You are constantly citing the CCHR, an organisation that has extensive ties to Scientology.
Scientology who have voiced vicious accusations against psychiatrist. An Organisation that offers it's own dubious alternative treatment to psychiatry, costings tens if not hundreds of thousands pounds, and engaging in cult like behaviour.
And you think the CCHR's background, and it's ties to Scientology aren't relevant? I think they are completely relevant and will be raising this ties, and their links as long as you continue giving weight to their opinions.This spring in Florida, where the Clearwater area is a Church of Scientology stronghold, CCHR mounted an aggressive political campaign to keep kids from getting psychiatric care. In the state Legislature, two CCHR-sponsored bills were backed by two Republicans, Rep. Gustavo Barreiro, of Miami Beach, and Sen. Victor Crist, of Tampa. Indeed, as Barreiro told the St. Petersburg Times, Scientologists had even written parts of the legislation. Both Barriero and Crist had been friendly with the church: They were guest speakers at a Scientology celebration where Crist touted the legislation and Barriero gave the church an award for volunteer work following the 2004 hurricanes.
The legislation spurred heated battles in the Florida statehouse and put Scientologists and CCHR up against a host of medical and psychological organizations, including the Florida Medical Association, the Florida School Boards Association, the Florida Psychological Association, the National Alliance for the Mentally Ill, the Florida Department of Health, the Florida Department of Children and Families, and the Florida School Psychologists Association. Scientologists Kelly Preston and Kirstie "Fat Actress" Alley testified in Tallahassee on behalf of their church. At one point, Alley wept so hard -- "This isn't an issue about psychiatrist vs. non, but about the children" -- that she could barely get the words out. "It's tough lobbying against movie stars," says Daughton of the Florida Psychiatric Society. "Some of it was just surreal."
On the serious side, the legislation places Scientologists in conflict with the U.S. Surgeon General, whose office released a report in 2001 stating that one in 10 children and adolescents in the United States suffers from mental illness, but fewer than one in five of these children gets treatment in any given year. Where the CCHR sees an epidemic of drugging kids that don't have real problems, the Surgeon General sees millions of kids whose real problems are going undiagnosed and untreated.The other bill, House Bill 909, dealt with how the foster care and juvenile justice systems handle kids' mental health issues -- a big topic since child psychiatrists maintain that many kids end up in the justice system because of undiagnosed mental illnesses. "Essentially, we're locking up kids that have mental disorders," says Gruttadaro of the National Alliance for the Mentally Ill. But this bill explicitly limited any treatment of such disorders by requiring a "non-psychiatric medical specialist" to evaluate children for "nutritional deficiencies, heavy-metal toxicity and hypoglycemia," among other possible causes of problems, before psychotropic medication could be prescribed.
"That's sort of like saying if you saw someone who appeared to be dying of a heart attack, you had to rule out everything else before you treated for a heart attack," says McDonough, who argued against the legislation. That bill also smeared psychiatrists by implying they're not medical doctors. "That bill makes a false division among medical practitioners," says Dr. Stephen Kent, a sociologist at the University of Alberta who has studied Scientology. "Psychiatrists are trained doctors. The bill implies that psychiatrists as medical practitioners can't be trusted." Although that's no surprise to Kent. "Believing that psychiatrists are cosmic devils is a part of the Scientologist doctrine," he says. The bill died in committee.
For his part, McDonough from the Florida Office of Drug Control was surprised by the Scientologists' political zeal. "In the beginning, I didn't realize that this was a concerted effort to actually get through an ideological leaning that had to do with church dogma, in this case, the Church of Scientology, which denies that mental illness exists as a problem, that it can be diagnosed and treated -- when medical science is very clear and very well established on the subject: It does exist, and it can be diagnosed, and it can be treated."
Salon
So there you have it, CCHR and Scientology working together to prevent children from getting access to mental health care.
So again I ask Espinolman;
A) Do you believe Scientologists have massive opposition to legitimate psychiatric practices, and offer highly expensive alternative treatments of a dubious quality. Yes or No? Do you accept that the CCHR is recognised as a Scientologist front? Yes or No?0 -
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espinolman wrote: »I am not answering your trick questions .
They're not trick questions, they're two simple yes or no questions. Again.A) Do you believe Scientologists have massive opposition to legitimate psychiatric practices, and offer highly expensive alternative treatments of a dubious quality. Yes or No? Do you accept that the CCHR is recognised as a Scientologist front? Yes or No?
Do you accept that the organisation you constantly link to, has massive ties to the Scientologists.
Ah another CCHR article. This time claiming all psychiatrists are frauds on the take. Okay.....
In 1993 the Church of Scientology (notice the Church part) the US Internal Revenue Service granted CCHR tax exemption as part of an agreement with the Church of Scientology International. Would you care to hear about Operation Snow White, and some of the Other Tax related scandals the CCHR and Scientology have found themselves mired in. I assure you they make some pharmacy junkets pale into significance.
It's not like those three psychiatrists had covert operatives infiltrate government offices, like the Scientologists did.
Glass houses Espinolman.
Here's the decades long Timeline of the Massive Fraud Scientology and the CCHR engaged in
While we're off topic I'll bring us back on.
You sayPeople are spiritual or creative beings but then there are these psychologists and psychiatrists saying people are just a piece of meat , a brain , therefore all suffering is imaginary , therefore its ok to drug people with toxic drugs , electrocute them , practice ethnic cleansing , you see all these sick practices are ok , because pschologists are saying the spirit does'nt exist , therefore suffering does'nt exist , don't you see , murder , rape , torture that is all ok because the spirit does'nt exist , don't you understand , see you don't exist to these people , therefore they don't feel remorse when they do evil things to people .
The New England Journal of Medicine which isn't a crackpot website, but one of the world's finest medical journals cited a report. Giving a 60-40 success rate for people on actual psychiatric drugs for their problems over those on placebos.
or as one contributory statedFrederick K. Goodwin, M.D wrote:The concept of disease in medicine really means a cluster of symptoms that people can agree about, and in the case of depression we agree 80% of the time. It is a cluster of symptoms that predicts something.”0 -
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