Republic of Ireland vs. Italy - 10/10/09 KO 8:00 PM [mod warning post #160]

Catenaccio! · 09-10-2009 1:54pm

I am making sense.

How come we have conceded more than 1? Inept opposition? We're going to see a totally different Italian team than the one in April, you do realise that? Australia breezed by us recently, and you can say that was 'only' a friendly but there's very few International games so I believe they're all taken seriously. We haven't kept a clean sheet since October 2008 too.

noodler · 09-10-2009 1:57pm

Catenaccio! wrote: »

I am making sense.

How come we have conceded more than 1? Inept opposition? We're going to see a totally different Italian team than the one in April, you do realise that? Australia breezed by us recently, and you can say that was 'only' a friendly but there's very few International games so I believe they're all taken seriously. We haven't kept a clean sheet since October 2008 too.

You reckon Andy Reid doesn't deserve to be in the squad though?

Don't you think someone who could keep the ball would improve the way the team plays?

jambofc · 09-10-2009 2:00pm

mmmmm....hard one to call this,italy are a better outfit in nearly every position but only need a point,ireland are incredibly dour to watch but hard enough to beat under trap,me head is saying two things a slit yer throat boreing draw or a easy win for italy,
but heart say 1-0 ireland
COM'N YOU BOYS IN GREEN,LA LA LA LA

Catenaccio! · 09-10-2009 2:01pm

He's not good enough and he's not in the squad tomorrow. Not sure why you're bringing up irrelevant information here.

BaZmO* · 09-10-2009 2:02pm

Catenaccio! wrote: »

I am making sense

No not really.

Catenaccio! wrote: »

How come we have conceded more than 1? Inept opposition?

See, you're not making sense. We haven't conceded more than one.

Catenaccio! wrote: »

We're going to see a totally different Italian team than the one in April, you do realise that?

I agree with you 100%, we will see a totally different team to the team we played in April. It'll be an Italian team without their captain and also, an Italian team that only needs a draw against us to qualify top of the group.

Catenaccio! wrote: »

Australia breezed by us recently, and you can say that was 'only' a friendly but there's very few International games so I believe they're all taken seriously.

Means nothing, it was a friendly.

Catenaccio! wrote: »

We haven't kept a clean sheet since October 2008 too.

But never conceded more than 1

Catenaccio! · 09-10-2009 2:06pm

BaZmO* wrote: »

No not really.

See, you're not making sense. We haven't concede more than on.

I agree with you 100%, we will see a totally different team to the team we played in April. It'll be an Italian team without their captain and also, an Italian team that only needs a draw against us to qualify top of the group.

Means nothing, it was a friendly.

But never conceded more than 1

Can you point out where I said we conceded more than one goal please? Ta.

noodler · 09-10-2009 2:08pm

Catenaccio! wrote: »

He's not good enough and he's not in the squad tomorrow. Not sure why you're bringing up irrelevant information here.

To undermine your opinion basically.

BaZmO* · 09-10-2009 2:08pm

Catenaccio! wrote: »

Can you point out where I said we conceded more than one goal please? Ta.

There ya go..

Catenaccio! wrote: »

How come we have conceded more than 1?

dogpile · 09-10-2009 2:11pm

Fairly meaningless game, we're not going to win the group because Itally won't fail to beat Cyprus...w're not going to miss out on playoffs because a combination of Bulgaria winning 2 and us losing 2 is long long odds..

so playoffs it is and the hope that one of or both Whelan/Andrews pick up injuries before them...and the even more remote hope of the 2 Reids in central midfield in place......tho it'll be more likely a pairing of Miller/Keogh the way Traps mind works

Catenaccio! · 09-10-2009 2:13pm

BaZmO* wrote: »

There ya go..

Haha, picking up on a spelling mistake, jesus

Obviously meant to have read "haven't conceded more than 1".

BaZmO* · 09-10-2009 2:17pm

Catenaccio! wrote: »

Haha, picking up on a spelling mistake, jesus

No. Just commenting on what you posted.

Catenaccio! wrote: »

Obviously meant to have read "haven't conceded more than 1".

Well you'd been talking gibberish up until then so how was I supposed to know.

So anyway, in conclusion.......you're wrong!

Mr. Presentable · 09-10-2009 2:19pm

Headshot wrote: »

some of them well past their sell by date

Go on then. Excluding Cannavaro who isn't playing, list the some who are well past their sell by date. I'll even help with their ages.

Buffon 31
Zambrotta (?) 32
Chiellini 25
Grosso 31
Santon 18

D'Agostino 27
De Rossi 26
Gattuso 31
Pirlo 30

Iaquinta 29
Rossi 22

Catenaccio! · 09-10-2009 2:24pm

BaZmO* wrote: »

No. Just commenting on what you posted.

Well you'd been talking gibberish up until then so how was I supposed to know.

So anyway, in conclusion.......you're wrong!

Not sure why you're so confident about our defence. It's never looked 100% solid and a team like Italy will definitely create a good few chances during the game. I didn't know I could be wrong about predicting a scoreline, but, eh, thanks.

Headshot · 09-10-2009 2:33pm

nipplenuts wrote: »

Go on then. Excluding Cannavaro who isn't playing, list the some who are well past their sell by date. I'll even help with their ages.

Buffon 31
Zambrotta (?) 32
Chiellini 25
Grosso 31
Santon 18

D'Agostino 27
De Rossi 26
Gattuso 31
Pirlo 30

Iaquinta 29
Rossi 22

lol

i had money on a serie A lover replying to that

cant say anything bad about italian players or league or else...

well heres the players that I think are well past their sell by date
Zambrotta
Gattuso
Pirlo

I also dont rate Iaquinta either, misses to many chances and does Rossi start for italy now ?

Ireland dont have to fear much from that Italian team tbh

Catenaccio! · 09-10-2009 2:35pm

Nothing to fear from the Italians?

Oh my.

Headshot · 09-10-2009 2:38pm

Catenaccio! wrote: »

Nothing to fear from the Italians?

Oh my.

yap the confederations cup really showed up italy

really have gone down hill

BaZmO* · 09-10-2009 2:39pm

Catenaccio! wrote: »

Not sure why you're so confident about our defence. It's never looked 100% solid and a team like Italy will definitely create a good few chances during the game. I didn't know I could be wrong about predicting a scoreline, but, eh, thanks.

I've explained this to you a thousand times already. I'll give it one more go and then I'm done.

Italy need one point to top the group, so therefore they are hardly gonna be killing themselves to try and rack up a rugby score against us. And we also only need one point to get into a playoff spot.

Now with those two factors combined with the two managers being Italian, it is highly unlikely that either team are going to be playing for anything more than a draw.

Catenaccio! wrote: »

and a team like Italy will definitely create a good few chances during the game.

The same Italian team that needed two own goals to beat Georgia?

Catenaccio! wrote: »

I didn't know I could be wrong about predicting a scoreline, but, eh, thanks

But you're original point was about us getting a "hiding" and with all things considered that is very very unlikely.

Catenaccio! wrote: »

I've nothing against the way Trappatoni has set us out all campaign but we're in for a hiding tomorrow. Probably 0-3.

Oh, and just for the record. If we do get beat 3-0 don't expect me to be replying on this thread again!

Catenaccio! · 09-10-2009 2:40pm

You'd be right if you were saying Brazil have nothing to fear. But it's laughable to say Ireland have nothing to fear.

Italy are a different team than the one at that competition.

SlickRic · 09-10-2009 2:44pm

Catenaccio! wrote: »

Italy are a different team than the one at that competition.

no they're not.

they're the exact same team.

Catenaccio! · 09-10-2009 2:44pm

I've explained this to you a thousand times already.

No, you haven't.

Italy need one point to top the group, so therefore they are hardly gonna be killing themselves to try and rack up a rugby score against us. And we also only need one point to get into a playoff spot.

Now with those two factors combined with the two managers being Italian, it is highly unlikely that either team are going to be playing for anything more than a draw.

I'm well aware of what both teams need. That doesn't change the fact that I think it will be a big Italian victory.

The same Italian team that needed two own goals to beat Georgia?

Different one actually. Different formation to the one that they were playing with that day. You should try and keep up.

Aidric · 09-10-2009 2:47pm

I would have been happier if Kevin Facepalm was out of the side. I think Lawrence can be effective for us.

Headshot · 09-10-2009 2:48pm

Catenaccio! wrote: »

You'd be right if you were saying Brazil have nothing to fear. But it's laughable to say Ireland have nothing to fear.

Italy are a different team than the one at that competition.

confederations cup

Goalkeepers: Amelia, Buffon, De Sanctis

Defenders: Cannavaro, Chiellini, Zambrotta, Dossena, Legrottaglie, Gamberini, Grosso, Santon

Midfielders: Camoranesi, De Rossi, Pirlo, Gattuso, Montolivo, Palombo

Forwards: Gilardino, Iaquinta, Pepe, Quagliarella, Toni, Rossi

more or less the same team bar maybe 1 or 2

the midfield is weak for italy and the strikers shouldnt be feared

Catenaccio! · 09-10-2009 2:49pm

I obviously didn't mean player-wise

SlickRic · 09-10-2009 2:49pm

Headshot wrote: »

confederations cup

Goalkeepers: Amelia, Buffon, De Sanctis

Defenders: Cannavaro, Chiellini, Zambrotta, Dossena, Legrottaglie, Gamberini, Grosso, Santon

Midfielders: Camoranesi, De Rossi, Pirlo, Gattuso, Montolivo, Palombo

Forwards: Gilardino, Iaquinta, Pepe, Quagliarella, Toni, Rossi

more or less the same team bar maybe 1 or 2

the midfield is weak for italy and the strikers shouldnt be feared

cheers HS.

i wasn't bothered finding the squad to prove the point!

Headshot · 09-10-2009 2:50pm

Catenaccio! wrote: »

I obviously didn't mean player-wise

ya sure you didnt

caught rotten

Catenaccio! · 09-10-2009 2:50pm

Loads of World Cup winners in that side so I'd be a little bit cautious to be honest. Because I heard good things about that World Cup. Meant to be a big trophy.

Pighead · 09-10-2009 2:50pm

Catenaccio! wrote: »

You'd be right if you were saying Brazil have nothing to fear. But it's laughable to say Ireland have nothing to fear.

Italy are a different team than the one at that competition.

Italy's away results so far in this qualifying campaign:

Beat Cyprus 2-1 with a last minute goal.
Drew 0-0 with Bulgaria creating sweet fcuk all and seemingly contented with a point.
Beat Montegro 2-0. Only decent away performance so far.
Beat Georgia 2-0 thanks to two O.G's.

Now they come to Ireland (the second best team in the group according to the table) needing just a point and you're expecting them to win the game easily? They may do but everything we've seen so far in this campaign suggests that they won't.

Catenaccio! · 09-10-2009 2:50pm

Headshot wrote: »

ya sure you didnt

caught rotten

Um, I've already stated that they're playing with a different formation

BaZmO* · 09-10-2009 2:55pm

Catenaccio! wrote: »

No, you haven't.

Well it feels like it.

Catenaccio! wrote: »

I'm well aware of what both teams need. That doesn't change the fact that I think it will be a big Italian victory.

You're still wrong though

Catenaccio! wrote: »

Different one actually. Different formation to the one that they were playing with that day. You should try and keep up.

Has the team even been announced yet? And even so, possibly 2 or 3 changes? Not hugely different.
And how do you know it's a different formation?

SlickRic · 09-10-2009 2:56pm

Catenaccio! wrote: »

I obviously didn't mean player-wise

so in essence, your argument is that Italy are a hell of a lot stronger,

to the point where they'll hammer us 3-0,

with the same set of players who struggled so badly in the summer,

who just a few weeks ago struggled against Georgia,

in a game they don't need to win,

while remembering they're Italian who by means of their footballing culture usually do just enough,

against a team with an italian manager who in qualifying haven't let in more than one goal in a game,

in a game where neither need to win,

because...

of some subtle, but apparently spectacular, formation change of Lippi's?

glad i understand now...

Catenaccio! · 09-10-2009 2:58pm

BaZmO* wrote: »

Well it feels like it.

You're still wrong though

Has the team even been announced yet? And even so, possibly 2 or 3 changes? Not hugely different.

How can I be wrong about predicting a result? Strange one that.

BaZmO* · 09-10-2009 2:59pm

Catenaccio! wrote: »

How can I be wrong about predicting a result? Strange one that.

Well you've been wrong about everything else!

ShaneU · 09-10-2009 3:01pm

Gattuso, Pirlo and De Rossi against Whelan, Andrews and Lawrence. Don't know how anyone can see us winning this.

Starting 11

Given

O'Shea--St.Ledger--Dunne--Kilbane

Lawrence--Andrews-Whelan--McGeady

Doyle

Keane

Catenaccio! · 09-10-2009 3:02pm

SlickRic wrote: »

so in essence, your argument is that Italy are a hell of a lot stronger,

to the point where they'll hammer us 3-0,

with the same set of players who struggled so badly in the summer,

who just a few weeks ago struggled against Georgia,

in a game they don't need to win,

while remembering they're Italian who by means of their footballing culture usually do just enough,

against a team with an italian manager who in qualifying haven't let in more than one goal in a game,

in a game where neither need to win,

because...

of some subtle, but apparently spectacular, formation change of Lippi's?

glad i understand now...

I wouldn't say a hell of a lot stronger, not at all. Just stronger. And much stronger than where we're at now. I'd be surprised if anyone disputed that.

They won the match in Georgia. They also dominated against the Bulgarians, something we failed to do.

Have you even seen us play at all?

Catenaccio! · 09-10-2009 3:02pm

BaZmO* wrote: »

Well you've been wrong about everything else!

Um, zing?

What's sad is that someone thanked you for that.

SlickRic · 09-10-2009 3:06pm

Catenaccio! wrote: »

How can I be wrong about predicting a result? Strange one that.

it's not the result per se

it's your reasoning behind it.

you say Italy are a whole lot better than previously for no real reason for example.

there is no evidence to suggest this.

now Italy could of course win 3-0 tomorrow. and you're more than entitled to that opinion.

and nothing is predictable in football.

but that doesn't mean it is in any way likely; and people are going to be interested in why you think that way.

all the evidence available points to a close game.

people just want to know why you don't think so is all.

if you don't have a reason, other than a feeling, fine. we'll just leave it so.

Headshot · 09-10-2009 3:06pm

Catenaccio! wrote: »

Um, zing?

What's sad is that someone thanked you for that.

`why i thanked BaZmO because he was right

your the fail poster

SlickRic · 09-10-2009 3:09pm

Catenaccio! wrote: »

Have you even seen us play at all?

i have.

and it's painful to watch.

but one thing we don't seem to do is lose too easily.

Headshot · 09-10-2009 3:10pm

SlickRic wrote: »

i have.

and it's painful to watch.

but one thing we don't seem to do is lose too easily.

it is painful to watch alright but we're getting the results and at the moment that's all that matters

SlickRic · 09-10-2009 3:13pm

Headshot wrote: »

it is painful to watch alright but we're getting the results and at the moment that's all that matters

i agree with that sentiment.

but i would like us to play a bit of football at some point.

i'm more than willing to forsake that however to have Ireland at the World Cup.

Thanos · 09-10-2009 3:14pm

Well we are getting the results alright, it seems Trapp is one of those lucky manages.

Think Ireland will go out and play like they are playing for a draw, Italy will see this and think ok works for us, then in the 89th min Robbie pops up and gets one,:eek: 1 - 0 to Ireland.

Headshot · 09-10-2009 3:16pm

SlickRic wrote: »

i agree with that sentiment.

but i would like us to play a bit of football at some point.

i'm more than willing to forsake that however to have Ireland at the World Cup.

yap anything to get to the world cup

kyp_durron · 09-10-2009 3:19pm

At this stage I couldn't care less how we play as long as we get the results. Just echoing the sentiments of the last few posters.

Catenaccio! · 09-10-2009 3:20pm

Headshot wrote: »

`why i thanked BaZmO because he was right

your the fail poster

Doing what BaZmO does...

You should have said 'you're'

Oh my.

Mr. Presentable · 09-10-2009 3:21pm

Thanos wrote: »

Well we are getting the results alright, it seems Trapp is one of those lucky manages.

Think Ireland will go out and play like they are playing for a draw, Italy will see this and think ok works for us, then in the 89th min Robbie pops up and gets one,:eek: 1 - 0 to Ireland.

That'd be awesome, but it's more likely Given will pop up in the 89th and catch one to prevent a loss. 0-0

BaZmO* · 09-10-2009 3:22pm

Catenaccio! wrote: »

Doing what BaZmO does...

You should have said 'you're'

Oh my.

Ha. "You're" getting desperate now.

Catenaccio! · 09-10-2009 3:26pm

Not desperate enough to be part of a clique, that's for sure.

Idbatterim · 09-10-2009 3:27pm

Catenaccio! your a muppet, put money on Italy beating us by a 3 goal margin if your so sure! Ireland are far from great, but when was the least time we were beaten by 3 goals at a home match? please enlighten me?

BaZmO* · 09-10-2009 3:30pm

Catenaccio! wrote: »

Not desperate enough to be part of a clique, that's for sure.

What clique?

Just because everybody thinks that you're wrong and that you're also talking nonsense doesn't make it a clique.

SlickRic · 09-10-2009 3:33pm

Catenaccio! wrote: »

Not desperate enough to be part of a clique, that's for sure.

i hate this sort of comment.

it's not a clique just because barely anyone agrees with you.

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