Quarterback Power Rankings

Karlusss

So, off the back off Orton-gate '09, I thought this could be interesting. Give your power rankings of the starting quarterbacks in the NFL this season. Might shed a bit of light on what Orton's better than...

1. Drew Brees
2. Peyton Manning
3. Tom Brady
4. Philip Rivers
5. Joe Flacco
6. Eli Manning
7. Ben Roethlisberger
8. Aaron Rodgers
9. Carson Palmer
10. Jay Cutler
11. Brett Favre
12. Kurt Warner
13. Donovan McNabb
14. Matt Schaub
15. Matt Ryan
16. Tony Romo
17. Matt Hasselbeck
18. Kerry Collins
19. David Garrard
20. Kyle Orton
21. Mark Sanchez
22. Trent Edwards
23. Matt Cassell
24. Jason Campbell
25. Derek Anderson
26. Shaun Hill
27. Matt Stafford
28. Marc Bulger
29. Jake Delhomme
30. Josh Johnson
31. JaMarcus Russell
32. Chad Henne

That's my personal list as of Week 4. What do you reckon?

(list's obviously down on some guys like Johnson and Henne who are just inexperienced. But whatever.)

D3PO

Not sure if this is based off of this seasons performances or their body of work up to this point.

But based off of this season this is my ranking which is pretty hard ie hasslebecnk and mcnabb injured anderson just becomming starter again etc so not all games played etc. but anyway its just a bit of fun

1. Peyton Manning
2. Drew Brees
3. Tom Brady
4. Eli Manning
5. Joe Flacco
6. Philip Rivers
7. Brett Favre
8. Kyle Orton
9. Ben Roethlisberger
10. Aaron Rodgers
11. Kurt Warner
12. Jay Cutler
13. Donovan McNabb
14. Mark Sanchez
15. Carson Palmer
16. Matt Schaub
17. Matt Ryan
18. Trent Edwards
19. Shaun Hill
20. Tony Romo
21. David Garrard
22. Matt Stafford
23. Matt Hasselbeck
24. Kerry Collins
25. Matt Cassell
26. Derek Anderson
27. Marc Bulger
28. Jason Campbell
29. Josh Johnson
30. Chad Henne
31. Jake Delhomme
32. Jamarcus Russell

Max Power1

For non rookies this is based on past as well as the current season

1=. Drew Brees
1=. Tom Brady
3. Peyton Manning
4. Philip Rivers
5. Matt Ryan
6. Ben Roethlisberger
7. Brett Favre
8. Joe Flacco
9. Eli Manning
10. Aaron Rodgers
11. Carson Palmer
12. Kurt Warner
13. Donovan McNabb
14. Matt Schaub
15. Jay Cutler
16. Tony Romo
17. Matt Hasselbeck
18. Kerry Collins
19. David Garrard
20. Mark Sanchez
21. Trent Edwards
22. Matt Cassell
23. Kyle Orton
24. Jason Campbell
25. Shaun Hill
26. Derek Anderson
27. Matt Stafford
28. Marc Bulger
29. Jake Delhomme
30. Josh Johnson
31. Chad Henne
32. AN Other
33. JaMarcus Russell

Pherekydes

1. Peyton Manning
2. Drew Brees
3. Aaron Rodgers
4. Eli Manning
5. Joe Flacco
6. Brett Favre
7. Carson Palmer
8. Ben Roethlisberger
9. Philip Rivers
10. Jay Cutler

What has Tom "someone brushed off my leg" Brady done so far this year to deserve #3?

Aaron Rodgers has been sacked 20 times and still has a 101 passer rating. And Russell ahead of Henne? Wait, Russell ahead of anyone? No, siree.

tallaghtoutlaws

Pherekydes wrote: »

1. Peyton Manning
2. Drew Brees
3. Aaron Rodgers
4. Eli Manning
5. Joe Flacco
6. Brett Favre
7. Carson Palmer
8. Ben Roethlisberger
9. Philip Rivers
10. Jay Cutler

What has Tom "someone brushed off my leg" Brady done so far this year to deserve #3?

Aaron Rodgers has been sacked 20 times and still has a 101 passer rating. And Russell ahead of Henne? Wait, Russell ahead of anyone? No, siree.

As a Pats fan I have to say I agree. If the Power ranking is solely based on this season how is Tom top 10? And how is Kolb not on anyones list?

1. Drew Brees
2. Peyton Manning
3. Philip Rivers
4. Joe Flacco
5. Kevin Kolb
6. Ben Roethlisberger
7. Brett Favre
8. Carson Palmer
9. Eli Manning
10. Tom Brady
11. Kurt Warner
12. David Garrard
13. Jay Cutler
14. Kyle Orton
15. Aaron Rodgers
16. Matt Ryan
17. Matt Schaub
18. Mark Sanchez
19. Matt Hasselbeck
20. Kerry Collins
21. Tony Romo
22. Trent Edwards
23. Matt Cassell
24. Jason Campbell
25. Derek Anderson
26. Shaun Hill
27. Matt Stafford
28. Marc Bulger
29. Jake Delhomme
30. Josh Johnson
31. Donovan McNabb
32. Chad Henne
33. JaMarcus Russell

D3PO

tallaghtoutlaws wrote: »

As a Pats fan I have to say I agree. If the Power ranking is solely based on this season how is Tom top 10?

i guess this is where people differ and its interesting to get their views

example you have kolb #13 great hes the first qb in history to throw over 300 yards in his first 2 starts. how did the eagles do ? oh yeah 1-1 i wouldnt put more value on that then a mark sanchez but there you go.

mind you im never bored wathing my eagles play we just love airing it out :D

tallaghtoutlaws

D3PO wrote: »

i guess this is where people differ and its interesting to get their views

example you have kolb #13 great hes the first qb in history to throw over 300 yards in his first 2 starts. how did the eagles do ? oh yeah 1-1 i wouldnt put more value on that then a mark sanchez but there you go.

mind you im never bored wathing my eagles play we just love airing it out :D

But isnt this QB power rankings? Isnt this solely based on their performance?

D3PO

tallaghtoutlaws wrote: »

But isnt this QB power rankings? Isnt this solely based on their performance?

but pefermance can be gauged in many ways, compeltion %, int to td ratio, win loss ratio, number of times sacked, fumbled etc, yards thrown etc

I guess its clear I put more value on winning games than others

oh pm me about this weekend coming aswell will ya

eagle eye

Pherekydes wrote: »

What has Tom "someone brushed off my leg" Brady done so far this year to deserve #3?

Aaron Rodgers has been sacked 20 times and still has a 101 passer rating. And Russell ahead of Henne? Wait, Russell ahead of anyone? No, siree.

If this is inclusive of all seasons then Tom Brady is no.1. If it is this season then he is not top ten yet.

And as to your point about someone brushing off his leg. I think you need to have a look at what Suggs did and the intent that was in it.

This is Jerome Bettis' view.

I'll say this about Terrell Suggs' questionable hit on Tom Brady: If Tom hadn't got his right leg out of the way, there would been a much bigger, much nastier collision.
If I were a ref, there was just enough contact, even with Tom saving his own butt, for me to make that call. It was a 50-50 play: If they hadn't flagged it, I would have understood it. They did, and I understood that.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/jerome_bettis/10/06/bus.stops/index.html?eref=sircrc

Just to add, I like Bettis, I like his stuff on SI.

Karlusss

Power Rankings in general tend to be based on a mix of this season's performance, what you know a team is capable of and a fair amount of hunch-following.

So it's not strictly this season's performance OR an all-career type of thing. More column A than column B though.

Where's everybody getting that Tom Brady's definitely not a top 10 quarterback even off this year's performance though? He's fourth in passing yards and he's 3-1, it's not like he's crashing and burning. Knowledge of what he can do, on top of what he has been doing, surely makes him better than Cutler, for example.

tallaghtoutlaws

Karlusss wrote: »

Power Rankings in general tend to be based on a mix of this season's performance, what you know a team is capable of and a fair amount of hunch-following.

So it's not strictly this season's performance OR an all-career type of thing. More column A than column B though.

Where's everybody getting that Tom Brady's definitely not a top 10 quarterback even off this year's performance though? He's fourth in passing yards and he's 3-1, it's not like he's crashing and burning. Knowledge of what he can do, on top of what he has been doing, surely makes him better than Cutler, for example.

For me with Brady yes he has the 4th best Passing yards but with him thats always going to happen when the Pats throw so much. But he had a very shaky start. And hasnt made a huge impact.


- only 9 of his completed 108 passes have been over 20 yards.and he has ony thrown 4 TD and 2 ints. He has the 15th best percentage of completed passes and 17th best passer rating.

Dont get me wrong he will most defintely get into the top 3 if he continues on the roll he is back on but based on performances so far I would put him in the top 10 if I did he would be 6 at the highest. Besides I dont have Cutler above him in mine.

davyjose

eagle eye wrote: »

If this is inclusive of all seasons then Tom Brady is no.1.

Based on rings, yes. Based on qb rating, td's, completions, yards, it's peyton manning.
Call me biased but manning is my number 1 this season too. Based on the above, but also he's had 4 amazing games. Brees has dipped lately.

Hazys

Karlusss wrote: »

So, off the back off Orton-gate '09, I thought this could be interesting. Give your power rankings of the starting quarterbacks in the NFL this season. Might shed a bit of light on what Orton's better than...

1. Drew Brees
2. Peyton Manning
3. Tom Brady
4. Philip Rivers
5. Joe Flacco
6. Eli Manning
7. Ben Roethlisberger
8. Aaron Rodgers
9. Carson Palmer
10. Jay Cutler
11. Brett Favre
12. Kurt Warner
13. Donovan McNabb
14. Matt Schaub
15. Matt Ryan
16. Tony Romo
17. Matt Hasselbeck
18. Kerry Collins
19. David Garrard
20. Kyle Orton
21. Mark Sanchez
22. Trent Edwards
23. Matt Cassell
24. Jason Campbell
25. Derek Anderson
26. Shaun Hill
27. Matt Stafford
28. Marc Bulger
29. Jake Delhomme
30. Josh Johnson
31. JaMarcus Russell
32. Chad Henne

That's my personal list as of Week 4. What do you reckon?

(list's obviously down on some guys like Johnson and Henne who are just inexperienced. But whatever.)

Are you crazy? JaMarcus Russell is way too high up on your list!!!

Karlusss

Actually yeah, I retract that.

eagle eye

davyjose wrote: »

Based on rings, yes. Based on qb rating, td's, completions, yards, it's peyton manning.
Call me biased but manning is my number 1 this season too. Based on the above, but also he's had 4 amazing games. Brees has dipped lately.

I'd agree on Manning at no.1 this year. Brady is ahead of him all time though and its not just because of rings, its performance in postseason. Clutch is what I'm talking about, that separates even the greatest.

tallaghtoutlaws

I feel another Brady V Mannning or Patriots V Colts thread coming on. :D:D:D:D:D

themont85

tallaghtoutlaws wrote: »

I feel another Brady V Mannning or Patriots V Colts thread coming on. :D:D:D:D:D

Good God please no!








Peyton Manning superior

fisgon

D3PO wrote: »

Not sure if this is based off of this seasons performances or their body of work up to this point.

But based off of this season this is my ranking which is pretty hard ie hasslebecnk and mcnabb injured anderson just becomming starter again etc so not all games played etc. but anyway its just a bit of fun

1. Peyton Manning
2. Drew Brees
3. Tom Brady
4. Eli Manning
5. Joe Flacco
6. Philip Rivers
7. Brett Favre
8. Kyle Orton
9. Ben Roethlisberger
10. Aaron Rodgers
11. Kurt Warner
12. Jay Cutler
13. Donovan McNabb
14. Mark Sanchez
15. Carson Palmer
16. Matt Schaub
17. Matt Ryan
18. Trent Edwards
19. Shaun Hill
20. Tony Romo
21. David Garrard
22. Matt Stafford
23. Matt Hasselbeck
24. Kerry Collins
25. Matt Cassell
26. Derek Anderson
27. Marc Bulger
28. Jason Campbell
29. Josh Johnson
30. Chad Henne
31. Jake Delhomme
32. Jamarcus Russell

Can't argue with much here except for Orton at no. 8, five whole places ahead of McNabb! And isn't Jamarcus Russel still too high?!!!!!!!!!

tallaghtoutlaws

fisgon wrote: »

Can't argue with much here except for Orton at no. 8, five whole places ahead of McNabb! And isn't Jamarcus Russel still too high?!!!!!!!!!

McNabb is too high on this list. He has played 1 game this season.

10/18 79 yds 2 TD 1 Int How he is even in the Top 20 of power rankings based on this season is weird considering he has been injured and not played. Its funny how people don't have Kolb at all on their lists.

davyjose

Tell you what eagle eye - Brady gets the possession award, manning the regarding season. Can't say fairer than that. For peace sake

Karlusss

tallaghtoutlaws wrote: »

McNabb is too high on this list. He has played 1 game this season.

10/18 79 yds 2 TD 1 Int How he is even in the Top 20 of power rankings based on this season is weird considering he has been injured and not played. Its funny how people don't have Kolb at all on their lists.

I was initially going by who the Week 5 starter will be for all the teams, hence Derek Anderson but no Brady Quinn, Josh Johnson but no Byron Leftwich, Hasselbeck but no Seneca Wallace.

No doubting Kevin Kolb has done well.

tallaghtoutlaws

Karlusss wrote: »

I was initially going by who the Week 5 starter will be for all the teams, hence Derek Anderson but no Brady Quinn, Josh Johnson but no Byron Leftwich, Hasselbeck but no Seneca Wallace.

No doubting Kevin Kolb has done well.

So was I but I didnt realise McNabb was back this weekend. Well done me.

eagle eye

davyjose wrote: »

Tell you what eagle eye - Brady gets the possession award, manning the regarding season. Can't say fairer than that. For peace sake

I don't think so. I mean Manning had Harrison all his career and Reggie Wayne for quite a while now too.

If you look at the receivers that Brady had, everyone of them that has left have been complete busts. Examples are Branch who looked like one of the best in the league with Brady but has done nothing since he left, and Stallworth who had a horrendous year in 08 after being part of the unbeaten regular season with the Patriots.

The only regular season where both had decent receivers was 2007 and look what Brady done.

davyjose

eagle eye wrote: »

I don't think so. I mean Manning had Harrison all his career and Reggie Wayne for quite a while now too.

If you look at the receivers that Brady had, everyone of them that has left have been complete busts. Examples are Branch who looked like one of the best in the league with Brady but has done nothing since he left, and Stallworth who had a horrendous year in 08 after being part of the unbeaten regular season with the Patriots.

The only regular season where both had decent receivers was 2007 and look what Brady done.

They won 3 Superbowls with those WR's. They didn't win any with Moss/Welker. Case closed :cool::pac:

Edit: Seriously though, Brady's a better QB because he had inferior WR's? that makes no sense. You're judging Brady on one season, but you're not judging Manning on the 9 seasons he threw for 4,000 yards or the fact he has nearly 350 TD's? Come on!!!

D3PO

fisgon wrote: »

Can't argue with much here except for Orton at no. 8, five whole places ahead of McNabb! And isn't Jamarcus Russel still too high?!!!!!!!!!

and im an eagles fan

eagle eye

davyjose wrote: »

They won 3 Superbowls with those WR's. They didn't win any with Moss/Welker. Case closed :cool::pac:

They had a 16-0 regular though. Manning never had one of those. Brady had a better season than Manning ever had in yards and tds.

davyjose wrote: »

Edit: Seriously though, Brady's a better QB because he had inferior WR's? that makes no sense. You're judging Brady on one season, but you're not judging Manning on the 9 seasons he threw for 4,000 yards or the fact he has nearly 350 TD's? Come on!!!

Every WR that Brady won a superbowl with that moved on has failed to live up to his billing since leaving.
What I'm saying is that Brady has made them look better than they actually were.

Now onto Peyton Manning and his 4,000 yard seasons. I can think of somebody who is on for similar stats and thats Drew Brees. Yes Brees has three consecutive 4000+ yardage seasons. Thats every season since he left the Chargers where he never hit the 4k mark.
Why do I mention Drew Brees in a Brady vs Manning debate you might ask?

Well quite simply its because just like Peyton Manning, Drew Brees is playing in a dome, playing on turf not grass, with no wind or rain or snow. That is certainly going to assist you to throw big numbers.

Tom Brady does not have the luxury of a home Dome. Therefore his numbers are not padded by perfect playing conditions for half his games every season.

On the road by the way the passer rating is interesting.

Tom Brady 93.96
Peyton Manning 93.27

Yes thats pretty even but Brady is ahead even if its only miniscule.
Then we go to postseason.

Manning 85.0
Brady 88.0

Look I could go on and on about this. They are two great QBs but Brady is the clutch guy. To think that in 2007 he passed for 4800+ yards which included playing in hail, rain and snow is just incredible.
I think if Gilette Stadium was a dome his numbers would be astronomical.

Tbh when Peyton Manning and Drew Brees retire, their yardage should be marked with an asterisk and in the footnotes should be

*played home games in a dome

tallaghtoutlaws

Popcorn in hand, continue..................

Max Power1

Guys they are both future hall of famers. Incredibly accurate and consistent, with similar stats. You can use one stat that is miniscule-ly in favour of one or the other but really can you say that if there was a trade between the Pats and Colts that either team would be dissapointed?

Si Conando

Just touching on a couple of the things eagle eye brought up. Brees putting up his recent numbers has more to do with the system he is in now, rather than being in a dome. Its not like san diego has the most challenging weather. In his 3 full years with the saints he has attemted 635, 652 and 554 passes. In his 4 years with the chargers he had 500, 400,356 and 526 pass attempts.

You said if Brady was in a dome for 2007 his numbers would be "astronomical". Well Brady threw the ball 578 times that season, in comparison to Mannings 497 times in 2004. If manning was given the opportunity to throw as much in 04 as brady did in 07 his numbers probably would have been even more astronomical.

Also on the receivers part. Brees hasn't had many receivers of note in his time with the saints, and its not like any of peyton's go to guys have had the opportunity to bomb anywhere else.

I know you have plenty of other points, but everyone could go around in circles all day throwing different stats around, but it won't get us anywhere. Personally i think peyton is better, but the difference is so small that its almost not worth talking about.

D3PO

Si Conando wrote: »

Also on the receivers part. Brees hasn't had many receivers of note in his time with the saints, .

colston isnt half bad now is he. and then you have checkdowns to reggie that could go for monster gains. its not like he had a bunch of duds either though

tallaghtoutlaws

Si Conando wrote: »

You said if Brady was in a dome for 2007 his numbers would be "astronomical". Well Brady threw the ball 578 times that season, in comparison to Mannings 497 times in 2004. If manning was given the opportunity to throw as much in 04 as brady did in 07 his numbers probably would have been even more astronomical.

No idea why you compared 2004 when you could have easily used 2006 when Manning had 19 less att than Brady's 2007 at 557 for 4397 yards. Didnt work out too well for you eh? If you are going to use stats make sure you double check other years just in case. :rolleyes:

See this is why I dont get involved in Brady Manning arguments anymore because you cant split them. I dont care what Eagle Eye or davyjose says its like arguing over two apples. They both are green and both taste good. In this case Brady/Manning are too similar to compare and are both the best. Of course a Pats fan is going to stick up for Brady and of course everyone else Manning. Its a winless argument. Both will win alot more games, throw alot more passes maybe win another bowl each both hit the hall of fame etc etc. So why argue over them. Lets just enjoy the fact we are alive through one of the best QB battles of all time.