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Our Lady to appear in Knock on Sunday

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    #572
    SV
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    Daroxtar wrote: »
    What i want to know is, Mary was from the middle east. Who is this blonde fair skinned anglo saxon cunt thats appearing to people all over the world? :rolleyes:

    lol, but don't you see!
    Christianity is far more popular in western society and thus Jesus and Mary couldn't possibly look any different than westerners!
    sure it's not possible like!


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    #573
    Owen
    Registered Users Posts: 12,683 ✭✭✭✭Owen


    What I can't figure out, is that this whole Mary/Jesus stuff became idolised in the middle ages in a time period when we thought the Sun went around the Earth, washing was supposed to be unhealthy, thought you could turn lead to gold with alchemy, and at some stage we abandoned all the ridiculous stuff, but this stuff survived? Go fig ...


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    #574
    Owen
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    SV wrote: »
    Christianity is far more popular in western society and thus Jesus and Mary couldn't possibly look any different than westerners!
    sure it's not possible like!

    As Tommy Tiernan says ... we don't want Jesus to be a dark skinned Arab, we want him to be one of the Beegees!


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    #575
    Tusky
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    It boggles my mind that religion is still around. I am genuinely amazed that there are people alive today in our society that buy into it. Give it 50-100 years and it will be have completely died out I'd say.


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    #576
    partyatmygaff
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    PaintDoctor wrote: »
    What I can't figure out, is that this whole Mary/Jesus stuff became idolised in the middle ages in a time period when we thought the Sun went around the Earth, washing was supposed to be unhealthy, thought you could turn lead to gold with alchemy, and at some stage we abandoned all the ridiculous stuff, but this stuff survived? Go fig ...
    This "stuff" has been around for more than 2000 years, with its foundations going back a few thousand before that. It wasn't some fad in the middle ages.
    @SV
    Man, Had you even ever visited the middle east you would know not every single person has dark skin or dark coloured eyes. There are exceptions but thats not the case. Surely the mother of God can appear in the form that people recognise her in that is if she does indeed look alot different than the paintings.

    Like use a bit of sense before posting else it just sounds incredibly ignorant.


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    #577
    Johnny Giles
    Closed Accounts Posts: 771 ✭✭✭Johnny Giles


    flanzer wrote: »
    Not being bad or disrespectful, but doesn't he look like one of those poor kids in Chernobyl?

    God I'm going to hell now, ain't I?


    How can people trust a fella like that. :confused:


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    #578
    Turtwig
    Registered Users Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    partyatmygaff wrote: »
    Surely the mother of God can appear in the form that people recognise her in that is if she does indeed look alot different than the paintings.

    So If I recognised her as a tin of pringles then???:rolleyes:
    Like use a bit of sense before posting else it just sounds incredibly ignorant.

    Maybe she should look like she actually was when she was alive to lend some credibility to it being her, no?


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    #579
    Owen
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    partyatmygaff wrote: »
    This "stuff" has been around for more than 2000 years, with its foundations going back a few thousand before that.

    Back to when people were even less educated, heavily persecuted, and would believe in any religion form to make their misery seem less palpable? Eh ... not the best way to argue the case for religion. Especially seeing as now that the world is more educated that we really haven't had a miracle performing being claiming to represent God, or indeed God speaking to us as a whole in 2000 years.

    Like a previous poster said, if someone is a 'God', they should appear to a mass gathering of people, publically, and realistically and be willing to prove their credibility. This cloak and dagger - the sun shook/that little girl saw mary all on her own and we should believe her - stuff is nonsense.


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    #580
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    partyatmygaff wrote: »
    Surely the mother of God can appear in the form that people recognise her in that is if she does indeed look alot different than the paintings.

    Like use a bit of sense before posting else it just sounds incredibly ignorant.


    lolfail


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    #581
    partyatmygaff
    Registered Users Posts: 10,992 ✭✭✭✭partyatmygaff


    PaintDoctor wrote: »
    Back to when people were even less educated, heavily persecuted, and would believe in any religion form to make their misery seem less palpable? Eh ... not the best way to argue the case for religion. Especially seeing as now that the world is more educated that we really haven't had a miracle performing being claiming to represent God, or indeed God speaking to us as a whole in 2000 years.

    Like a previous poster said, if someone is a 'God', they should appear to a mass gathering of people, publically, and realistically and be willing to prove their credibility. This cloak and dagger - the sun shook/that little girl saw mary all on her own and we should believe her - stuff is nonsense.
    God does not need to prove himself again for us to believe in him, Its your choice whether to believe in him or not, that is why we have free will, you have everything up infront of you and you are free to choose. Why would he want to prove his credibility when he already has done so before to the people 2000 years ago and left them to pass the message, not everyone believed them back then and some people still do not want to believe that message today. This shaking sun I would not put too much thought in, a "psychic" usually means a con man and I would not put too much faith into the shaking sun at knock thing although it might be true but I doubt it but I am not going to completely dismiss it so I will leave it as something I just will never know. There have been other apparitions throughout the years, yet no matter what proof is given to some people they are too stubborn to even consider the fact it might be genuine. Not because its "illogical" but maybe it could be some kind of subconcscious fear of being wrong that is preventing some people from trying for even a moment to believe it to be genuine. I don't know about Knock tbh, the fact a psychic "predicted" it doesn't help at all. But the same can't be said for the other documented apparitions that have occurred.


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    #582
    SV
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    partyatmygaff wrote: »
    @SV
    Man, Had you even ever visited the middle east you would know not every single person has dark skin or dark coloured eyes. There are exceptions but thats not the case. Surely the mother of God can appear in the form that people recognise her in that is if she does indeed look alot different than the paintings.

    Like use a bit of sense before posting else it just sounds incredibly ignorant.


    I, uh, wait..

    seriously?
    kinda missed the point of my post methinks.
    although, if you actually do believe in God then that's going to be redundant.


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    #583
    partyatmygaff
    Registered Users Posts: 10,992 ✭✭✭✭partyatmygaff


    Rojomcdojo wrote: »
    lolfail
    lolwhatanintelligentreply


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    #584
    partyatmygaff
    Registered Users Posts: 10,992 ✭✭✭✭partyatmygaff


    Malty_T wrote: »
    So If I recognised her as a tin of pringles then???:rolleyes:



    Maybe she should look like she actually was when she was alive to lend some credibility to it being her, no?
    Who is to say the common image of her isn't what she actually looked like?


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    #585
    Owen
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    partyatmygaff wrote: »
    God does not need to prove himself again for us to believe in him

    I'm sorry. Any being claiming to be a deity, who massacres hundreds of thousands as a result childish whims in the Old Testament, and then claims to offer the promise of Eternal Life in the NT if we give up our sexuality before marriage, don't practise homosexuality, and worship him, don't eat unclean animals on certain days, etc, DOES need to prove himself again to me.
    partyatmygaff wrote: »
    I don't know about Knock tbh, the fact a psychic "predicted" it doesn't help at all. But the same can't be said for the other documented apparitions that have occurred.

    Yes, yes it can.

    Blind faith is what has this species absolutely ruined. It's caused wars, bigotry, and has stalled our momentum as a whole.

    Blind faith has you making up the laws of deities too - "Sure, can't Mary appear in whatever form" ... I mean come on, you can't just go making up stuff that's not in the Bible either and expect us to accept it. That's sort of codswallop doesn't give you any credence.


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    #586
    partyatmygaff
    Registered Users Posts: 10,992 ✭✭✭✭partyatmygaff


    PaintDoctor wrote: »
    I'm sorry. Any being claiming to be a deity, who massacres hundreds of thousands as a result childish whims in the Old Testament, and then claims to offer the promise of Eternal Life in the NT if we give up our sexuality before marriage, don't practise homosexuality, and worship him, don't eat unclean animals on certain days, etc, DOES need to prove himself again to me.
    He has already and left it to his apostles to ensure the message continues to pass and it is here today and your free to accept it or not accept it just as back in the 1st century when people were free to accept it or not accept it. Once is enough.


    Yes, yes it can.

    Blind faith is what has this species absolutely ruined. It's caused wars, bigotry, and has stalled our momentum as a whole.
    Wars are started by people not by religion, Maybe some people may use religion as a reason but that is what I call looking for any excuse. Christianity doesn't specifiy you to kill anyone not of your religion nor does it tell you to hate anyone not of your religion.

    Blind faith has you making up the laws of deities too - "Sure, can't Mary appear in whatever form" ... I mean come on, you can't just go making up stuff that's not in the Bible either and expect us to accept it. That's sort of codswallop doesn't give you any credence.
    It also does not say what god is able to do, it doesn't for example say what he can and cannot do, thats not what the bible is for. It would be a bit odd for the creator of the world to not be able to do something. The human mind cannot imagine anything beyond our world so surely we cannot imagine what the creator of this world can and cannot do.
    Look, I've had enough arguments on this thread with far too many people and I really don't feel like starting anymore so lets try and end this before it starts.


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    #587
    Owen
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    I don't think even the KGB were as good at brainwashing as religions. Your answers are a bunch of pre-programmed reponses, with absolutely no logical thought behind them whatsoever.


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    #588
    Daroxtar
    Registered Users Posts: 4,342 ✭✭✭Daroxtar


    partyatmygaff wrote: »
    God does not need to prove himself again for us to believe in him, Its your choice whether to believe in him or not, that is why we have free will, you have everything up infront of you and you are free to choose. Why would he want to prove his credibility when he already has done so before to the people 2000 years ago and left them to pass the message, not everyone believed them back then and some people still do not want to believe that message today.


    But the same can't be said for the other documented apparitions that have occurred.

    God does indeed need to prove himself, now more than ever. If god cant see that man needs proof now then he's not as smart as he thinks he is. Doubting thomases we may be, but thomas got proof once he called shenanigans. We're still waiting.

    And the same can be said for every single one of the apparitions that have occurred and for a very simple reason. No independent witnesses. The only documentary evidence from any of these sites are from the church and therefore completely inadmissable due to bias.

    TBH the church itself treats most of these hoaxes for what they are and distances itself from them. They're a handy marketing tool but too easy to disprove and the church knows this.


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    #589
    Daroxtar
    Registered Users Posts: 4,342 ✭✭✭Daroxtar


    partyatmygaff wrote: »
    It would be a bit odd for the creator of the world to not be able to do something. The human mind cannot imagine anything beyond our world so surely we cannot imagine what the creator of this world can and cannot do.

    God cannot make something so heavy that he can't lift it.


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    #590
    Turtwig
    Registered Users Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    God does need to prove himself.

    He massacred so many Egyptian firstborns, He destroyed cities, He ordered his own follower (cannot remember who) to sacrifice his own daughter. He flooded the entire world wiping out everyone bar one guy and his family who had the beautiful task of collecting one of every creature and fitting them on a wooden boat. He order people be stoned to death. He turned Lot's wife into a pillar of salt for turning her back on Him. He declared homosexual acts a sin (punishable by death until Jesus supposedly filled the prophecies making this particular law and many others irrelevant) etc etc

    I'm not going to spend my life worshipping a monster unless there is a darn good reason behind it.


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    #591
    The Pontiac
    Registered Users Posts: 3,417 ✭✭✭The Pontiac


    We're all just complicated arrangements of atoms and subatomic particles - we don't live. But our atoms do move about in such a way as to give us identity and consciousness. We don't die; our atoms just rearrange themselves. There is no God. There can be no God; it's ridiculous to think in terms of a superior being. An inferior being, maybe, because we, we who don't even exist, we arrange our lives with more order and harmony than God ever arranged the earth. We measure; we plot; we create wonderful new things. We are the architects of our own existence. What a lunatic concept to bow down before a God who slaughters millions of innocent children, slowly and agonizingly starves them to death, beats them, tortures them, rejects them. What folly to even think that we should not insult such a God, damn him, think him out of existence. It is our duty to think God out of existence. It is our duty to insult him. Fúck you, God! Strike me down if you dare, you tyrant, you non-existent fraud! It is the duty of all human beings to think God out of existence. Then we have a future. Because then - and only then - do we take full responsibility for who we are. And that's what you must do, Bubby: think God out of existence; take responsibility for who you are.


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    #592
    partyatmygaff
    Registered Users Posts: 10,992 ✭✭✭✭partyatmygaff


    PaintDoctor wrote: »
    I don't think even the KGB were as good at brainwashing as religions. Your answers are a bunch of pre-programmed reponses, with absolutely no logical thought behind them whatsoever.
    The KGB and Religion have nothing to do with eachother and only fools allow themselves to be brainwashed, I am not brainwashed and I have thought independently and without the opinion of others and I will never be changing that part of my thinking and reasonining. Whether you agree with my views or not, I don't care, I won't think of you as stupid or any less of a person. Just because you and others don't agree with my views doesn't mean I am a braindead brainwashed zombie as you say.

    If you want to respond to my points feel free, If you want to call my points stupid or brainwashed feel free aswell except the only person you will be talking to from then on is yourself.


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    #593
    partyatmygaff
    Registered Users Posts: 10,992 ✭✭✭✭partyatmygaff


    <Ollie> wrote: »
    We're all just complicated arrangements of atoms and subatomic particles - we don't live. But our atoms do move about in such a way as to give us identity and consciousness. We don't die; our atoms just rearrange themselves. There is no God. There can be no God; it's ridiculous to think in terms of a superior being. An inferior being, maybe, because we, we who don't even exist, we arrange our lives with more order and harmony than God ever arranged the earth. We measure; we plot; we create wonderful new things. We are the architects of our own existence. What a lunatic concept to bow down before a God who slaughters millions of innocent children, slowly and agonizingly starves them to death, beats them, tortures them, rejects them. What folly to even think that we should not insult such a God, damn him, think him out of existence. It is our duty to think God out of existence. It is our duty to insult him. Fúck you, God! Strike me down if you dare, you tyrant, you non-existent fraud! It is the duty of all human beings to think God out of existence. Then we have a future. Because then - and only then - do we take full responsibility for who we are. And that's what you must do, Bubby: think God out of existence; take responsibility for who you are.
    Thats a scientific explanation of life and its 100% true, its our physical meaning of life.
    We are complicated atomic particles yes but what exactly created these particles? How did they come into existence?(I am not going to reply to you if you give me the actual scientific method of their creation which I know all too well...) Something so complicated and precise cannot just synthesize itself.


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    #594
    Turtwig
    Registered Users Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    partyatmygaff wrote: »
    Thats a scientific explanation of life and its 100% true, its our physical meaning of life.
    We are complicated atomic particles yes but what exactly created these particles? How did they come into existence? Something so complicated and precise cannot just synthesize itself.

    Why can't it?
    We began from nothing*, anti matter and matter duke it out until life and death was all that mattered.


    *Not what you think it is;)


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    #595
    partyatmygaff
    Registered Users Posts: 10,992 ✭✭✭✭partyatmygaff


    Malty_T wrote: »
    God does need to prove himself.

    He massacred so many Egyptian firstborns, He destroyed cities, He ordered his own follower (cannot remember who) to sacrifice his own daughter. He flooded the entire world wiping out everyone bar one guy and his family who had the beautiful task of collecting one of every creature and fitting them on a wooden boat. He order people be stoned to death. He turned Lot's wife into a pillar of salt for turning her back on Him. He declared homosexual acts a sin (punishable by death until Jesus supposedly filled the prophecies making this particular law and many others irrelevant) etc etc

    I'm not going to spend my life worshipping a monster unless there is a darn good reason behind it.
    He gave laws and they were disobeyed and he punished those who did disobey his laws. After Jesus came this changed. This change came from the fulfilling of prophecy.
    Why this happened? I suggest you read into it, Its a bit too complicated for a forum.


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    #596
    Turtwig
    Registered Users Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    partyatmygaff wrote: »
    He gave laws and they were disobeyed and he punished those who did disobey his laws. After Jesus came this changed. This change came from the fulfilling of prophecy.
    Why this happened? I suggest you read into it, Its a bit too complicated for a forum.

    I got all night :)

    Better be a good reason for mass murder don't ya think?


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    #597
    SV
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    partyatmygaff wrote: »
    Thats a scientific explanation of life and its 100% true, its our physical meaning of life.
    We are complicated atomic particles yes but what exactly created these particles? How did they come into existence?(I am not going to reply to you if you give me the actual scientific method of their creation which I know all too well...) Something so complicated and precise cannot just synthesize itself.

    lol, why not?

    such a cop out by religious people.
    "THE CHANCES OF THIS HAPPENING BY CHANCE ARE SO SMALL IT MUST BE GOD THAT DID IT"


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    #598
    The Pontiac
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    partyatmygaff wrote: »
    Thats a scientific explanation of life and its 100% true, its our physical meaning of life.
    We are complicated atomic particles yes but what exactly created these particles? How did they come into existence?(I am not going to reply to you if you give me the actual scientific method of their creation which I know all too well...) Something so complicated and precise cannot just synthesize itself.

    That's a quote from one of my favourite films. It wasn't meant to be insulting at all.. It's just a great movie scene.


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    #599
    partyatmygaff
    Registered Users Posts: 10,992 ✭✭✭✭partyatmygaff


    Malty_T wrote: »
    Why can't it?
    We began from nothing*, anti matter and matter duke it out until life and death was all that mattered.


    *Not what you think it is;)
    Why can't it of began from a supernatural being?

    Or that this supernatural being sparked creation from nothing and crafted evolution and all the natural processes we know today.


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    bernardo mac
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    furiousox wrote: »
    Joe's Groupies :pac:

    Blessed virgins appear


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    #601
    Turtwig
    Registered Users Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    partyatmygaff wrote: »
    Why can't it of began from a supernatural being?

    Or that this supernatural being sparked creation from nothing and crafted evolution and all the natural processes we know today.

    Well give us as reason as to why it should have?

    Btw,
    I'm not ruling that out, just the Christian version as it's well, too puny, for such a grand world.


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