Our Lady to appear in Knock on Sunday

Dinner

partyatmygaff wrote: »

We are talking about an apparition ala Lourdes/Zeitoun etc, the moving sun can be just optical phenomena which is quite reasonable, apparitions are different, there is no scientific explanation and thats fine, science is not meant to explain everything.

The phrase 'no scientific explanation' implies that something happened. There is also the other option that nothing out of the ordinary happened and herd mentality and hysteria etc. took over.

partyatmygaff wrote: »

Quite Possible, this however does not apply to any apparitions.

A very similar situation applies. Less staring at the sun and more herd mentality and hysteria.

partyatmygaff wrote: »

Quite wrong, there is reliable evidence with the most recent and best documented being the Marian apparition at zeitoun, witnessed by millions over the course of a year of various religions or lack of religion. Photographed and videos tooken. I can safely say 1 million or so people witnessing the same thing are not lying, scientists for example vistited the site and witnessed what everyone else saw and no one called everyone else who saw the apparition crazy. Isolated incidents from other religions which hardly ever have more than a few witnesses can be doctored. Repeated incidents with thousands/millions of incidents cannot be all doctored.

You got a link to these videos? Having been through the Marian Apparition in a different thread the only picture that was posted was of a dodgy negative. And it looks like to me is a nondescript splodge. If that 'splodge' had been in the sky, which it wasn't, and had it been seen in Southern United states it would be used as proof of UFOs. It doesn't prove anything.

As for the apparent 'millions' that turned up (a figure that would appear to be massively inflated), isn't it funny how no one managed to get a decent photo? Isn't it interesting that this occurred over a number of years yet no one thought to put a decent video camera there? It was the late 60s, so the technology existed, it would have been very easy to have a decent quality camera knocking around. If it was such definitive proof then how come the pope never goes there, how come Christians don't travel there en mass like a Christian Mecca? The fact is, that it is not definitive proof, it's not even non-definitive proof.

partyatmygaff wrote: »

Yes, apparitions have been occuring over the centuries.

No, people think that apparitions have been happening throughout the centuries. That doesn't mean they have. I don't think they are all lying. I'm sure some of them genuinely believe they saw an apparition. But none of them stand up to even the most basic scrutiny. And more to the point none of these apparitions have had any affect science. There has been no apparition that has required science to readdress itself.

partyatmygaff

Dinner wrote: »

The phrase 'no scientific explanation' implies that something happened. There is also the other option that nothing out of the ordinary happened and herd mentality and hysteria etc. took over.



A very similar situation applies. Less staring at the sun and more herd mentality and hysteria.



You got a link to these videos? Having been through the Marian Apparition in a different thread the only picture that was posted was of a dodgy negative. And it looks like to me is a nondescript splodge. If that 'splodge' had been in the sky, which it wasn't, and had it been seen in Southern United states it would be used as proof of UFOs. It doesn't prove anything.

As for the apparent 'millions' that turned up (a figure that would appear to be massively inflated), isn't it funny how no one managed to get a decent photo? Isn't it interesting that this occurred over a number of years yet no one thought to put a decent video camera there? It was the late 60s, so the technology existed, it would have been very easy to have a decent quality camera knocking around. If it was such definitive proof then how come the pope never goes there, how come Christians don't travel there en mass like a Christian Mecca? The fact is, that it is not definitive proof, it's not even non-definitive proof.




No, people think that apparitions have been happening throughout the centuries. That doesn't mean they have. I don't think they are all lying. I'm sure some of them genuinely believe they saw an apparition. But none of them stand up to even the most basic scrutiny. And more to the point none of these apparitions have had any affect science. There has been no apparition that has required science to readdress itself.

Your trying to say apparitions are trying to change science, why would they?

http://www.zeitun-eg.org/zeitngal.htm

Have a look through there....

I really don't feel like arguing anymore, its just a back and forth attempt to disprove what the other person said. I won't change your mind and you won't change mine.

Dinner

partyatmygaff wrote: »

Your trying to say apparitions are trying to change science, why would they?

You said;

Any new phenomenon that has been discovered suspended the known laws of science at the time and with due time became fact.

I replied by saying that each new discovery was rigorously tested, you responded that apparitions have been happening for centuries. I assumed that you meant that apparitions had changed science's thinking.

partyatmygaff wrote: »

http://www.zeitun-eg.org/zeitngal.htm

Have a look through there....

Yeah that's the site that was linked to in the other thread a while ago. It's also the site that uses the dodgy negatives a proof of the Zeitoun apparition. It's not.

partyatmygaff

Dinner wrote: »

You said;


I replied by saying that each new discovery was rigorously tested, you responded that apparitions have been happening for centuries. I assumed that you meant that apparitions had changed science's thinking.
Not at all, Why would they anyway?


Yeah that's the site that was linked to in the other thread a while ago. It's also the site that uses the dodgy negatives a proof of the Zeitoun apparition. It's not what exactly?.
I don't see any negative images, black and white yes, Negative images would have the sky as being white and the whatever that was white as being black. Islamic newspaper editors confirmed there was no possibility of photo-montage and believe me, they would be the first to try and disprove anything like this

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CreepingDeath

I heard that "our lady" is to appear in Knock to open a new Aldi supermarket.

Dean820

I saw that fella who predicted she would appear on the news last night, never trust a fella who wears a Man United jersey for an interview on national television. Very shady looking.

Dinner

partyatmygaff wrote: »

Not at all, Why would they anyway?

I was just confused that your reply mentioned apparitions when that wasn't the subject of that sentence, so I assumed that you believe that apparitions were triggers for changes to science.

partyatmygaff wrote: »

I don't see any negative images, black and white yes, Negative images would have the sky as being white and the whatever that was white as being black. Islamic newspaper editors confirmed there was no possibility of photo-montage and believe me, they would be the first to try and disprove anything like this

Perhaps negative is the wrong word, there's an article in the link below saying that the picture was drawn from memory.
I've just had a little bit of a search and as it turns out, the other thread on Zeitoun that I was thinking about was started by yourself. With that in mind, I'm not going to bother debating this whole subject again. Just read your own thread again and it should cover the main details of both of our arguments. Probably best to let this thread go back to being about herself playing with the sun.

Alessandra

This is ridiculous. The parish priest has even said it's rubbish. Knock is thriving from the business though!

PFJSplitter

Ah, the 'parish priest', :eek: the LEAST trustworthy source to walk the planet. Let's see a show of hands from ALL here who trust the word of a 'parish priest' - just as I thought, not a single hand up!

Alessandra

Smart. I am not placing any merit in what the priest(or indeed anyone else) has to say in the issue. Considering the Roman Catholic Church in Ireland support the first "apparition" in Knock, presumably they would be open to the idea were there any supposed "truth" in them.

partyatmygaff

PFJSplitter wrote: »

Ah, the 'parish priest', :eek: the LEAST trustworthy source to walk the planet. Let's see a show of hands from ALL here who trust the word of a 'parish priest' - just as I thought, not a single hand up!

Hillarious post there
Heres a medal

:rolleyes:

partyatmygaff

Just for the record, I am not 100 % sure of the moving sun thing as that can be strange optical illusions and I definitley won't take the word of a psychic, Apparitions however are something else.

furiousox

Dean820 wrote: »

never trust a fella who wears a Man United jersey for an interview on national television.

.....unless he plays for man utd of course!

stiff kitten

is this sat r sun? almost sure its tomorrow

inode

this just totally proves what we all suspected
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGJC1pM54EQ

zuroph

inode wrote: »

this just totally proves what we all suspected
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGJC1pM54EQ

fantastic post, glad to see some people arent crazy, the only video to show the crowds and everything happening. nothing happened except a carpark full of people stared at the sun. dopes.

D4RK ONION

I think I'm missing something. Is there genuinely supposed to be something in the sky?! All I can see is... a claw?

jimmycrackcorm

PFJSplitter wrote: »

Ah, the 'parish priest', :eek: the LEAST trustworthy source to walk the planet. Let's see a show of hands from ALL here who trust the word of a 'parish priest' - just as I thought, not a single hand up!

I don't agree - I'd trust Fr. Ted with my money any day it needs to be earning interet.

waitinforatrain

inode wrote: »

this just totally proves what we all suspected
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGJC1pM54EQ

lol, 2:52 "...... there's absolutely nothing there....."

Spastafarian

waitinforatrain wrote: »

lol, 2:52 "...... there's absolutely nothing there....."

And another classic at 0:10 ".. D'ya see the line that goes all the way..." "No Pat, that's a plane."

Helix

religious people are terrifying

really, really terrifying

dny123456

I predict they'll all have blind spots by Monday. In that youtube video, they were all looking directly at the sun. How bloody stupid are these people?

Helix

dny123456 wrote: »

How bloody stupid are these people?

they stood in a field to see a fictional character appear in the ****ing sky

do you really need to ask that?

lol

SV

lmao..what a bunch of muppets.

Mossy Monk

How disappointed their children are going to be when Santa Claus does not appear on Christmas Eve.

furiousox

inode wrote: »

this just totally proves what we all suspected
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGJC1pM54EQ

Ha, busted!

No "virgin"
No "sun dancing in the sky"
No "myriad of colours"

Just a crowd of deluded people looking desperately for something.....anything!

What a 'fing joke

lt's a scam to fill b&b's, cop on to yourselves you muppets!!

Busi_Girl08

dny123456 wrote: »

I predict they'll all have blind spots by Monday. In that youtube video, they were all looking directly at the sun. How bloody stupid are these people?

And then they'll all head over to Eddie Stones to "cure" them

Everybody wins :rolleyes:

FunkZ

Between the eye damage and the awesome tan they all would have goptten that day I reckon Knock is filled with:

http://irom.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/ray-charles.jpg

http://twelfthjen.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/stevie-wonder-13.jpg

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FunkZ wrote: »

Between the eye damage and the awesome tan they all would have goptten that day I reckon Knock is filled with:

http://irom.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/ray-charles.jpg

http://twelfthjen.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/stevie-wonder-13.jpg

Black musicians?

mikom

Would be cool if they saw Baby Fark McGee-zax coming out of the clouds being chased by the Intergalactic Police.

Diabhal Beag

mikom wrote: »

Would be cool if they saw Baby Fark McGee-zax coming out of the clouds being chased by the Intergalactic Police.

It's a real shame that only 4 people will get the reference

mikom

Diabhal Beag wrote: »

It's a real shame that only 4 people will get the reference

Worth it for those that did.

Dudess

Yet another example of something that demonstrates how Father Ted was not a comedy, but an insightful documentary.

Yeah, as has been pointed out, even some clergyman is urging people to get a grip.

zuroph

zuroph wrote: »

this thread came to me in a dream and told me it will re-appear on october 31st. Have faith.

and lo! The prophecy came true! All worship the thread! Amen!

blogga

"Mr. Coleman has left the Basilica"
I kid u not!

Overheal

I thought I saw an apparition once.

But I had just farted close to a bonfire.

FunkZ

Welcome to two weeks ago!

Diabhal Beag

In before the merger. Make use of the search button folks while we still have it :pac:

Johnny Giles

http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/1031/knock.html

SoupyNorman

[snigger] There is no such thing as God/angels and or a Jesus [/snigger]

Dirk Gently

An estimated 10 000 people are at Knock shrine in Co Mayo in the hope of witnessing a new apparition of Our Lady.
Many people have also claimed they have seen the sun dancing in the sky and changing colour on a number of these occasions including today.

I hope everyone of them gets washed off the hill in a torrential downpour and then get swine flu. When will people in this country ever emerge from the middle ages.

Diabhal Beag

clown bag wrote: »

I hope everyone of them gets washed off the hill in a torrential downpour and then get swine flu. When will people in this country ever emerge from the middle ages.

Why are people so harsh on religion. Just because you don't agree with them doesn't mean you have to completely ridicule them.

Iwasfrozen

Diabhal Beag wrote: »

Why are people so harsh on religion. Just because you don't agree with them doesn't mean you have to completely ridicule them.

You obviously know nothing on the history of Religion.

Dirk Gently

Diabhal Beag wrote: »

Why are people so harsh on religion. Just because you don't agree with them doesn't mean you have to completely ridicule them.

It just bugs the hell out of me that people still fall for this nonsense. There's no excuse in this day and age. 10,000 is a lot of people to assemble on a hill on a stormy day in october to look for imaginary friends. If it was 10 I'd say good luck to them and make them some sambos and tea or something but 10,000 is a bit nuts.

Diabhal Beag

clown bag wrote: »

It just bugs the hell out of me that people still fall for this nonsense. There's no excuse in this day and age. 10,000 is a lot of people to assemble on a hill on a stormy day in october to look for imaginary friends. If it was 10 I'd say good luck to them and make them some sambos and tea or something but 10,000 is a bit nuts.

How can you think that this is all there is? Ever wonder why we haven't been hit by an asteroid or a supermassive earthquake. There is certainly life outside this planet too. I'm not a staunch Catholic by any means but to simply rule out any possible idea of an afterlife is extremely stubborn don't you think.

Sorry for dragging thread off-topic.

mikom

Mr Coleman left the shrine saying Our Lady had appeared in the Basilica but that he was not prepared to reveal her message just yet.

It has been reported that Mr Coleman will reveal the message for a picture of your moms bewbs
He has heard that your mom has the sweetest bewbs ever.
He wants three minutes alone with the picture behind the bushes.

Diabhal Beag

mikom wrote: »

It has been reported that Mr Coleman will reveal the message for a picture of your moms bewbs
He has heard that your mom has the sweetest bewbs ever.
He wants three minutes alone with the picture behind the bushes.

Another great reference that unfortunatley less than 10 people will get.

Johnny Giles

Explain

Diabhal Beag

South Park Joke

Johnny Giles

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcAY9c1Ahf4

Video of apparition two weeks ago.