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Gerry Adams for President
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on your own or would you need a hand:Dpunchdrunk wrote: »I would personally do a Lee Harvey Oswald on him if he ever got in!
might take me a few years to learn to shoot first
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OT but I don't think it was indicative of anything other the fact that everyone is likely to say silly/stupid things from time to time but politicians have their every utterance recorded. Was it any sillier than Kenny's "Some n*** who died in the war" or Bruton's "f***ing peace process" or Reynold's "that's women now". It only stood out because of Bertie's teflon reputation when the pickings for his enemies were thin for much of his career.It was a flippant comment by Ahern, but is indicative of the man.
I wouldn't be to sure that his lack of clarity was entirely inadvertent.The president speaks rarely on public issues. Therefore the president should be able to speak succinctly and clearly. When Bertie used to speak in the Dail for 10 or 20 minutes I was left scratching my head afterwards trying to figure out what the hell he'd just said. The guy is unintelligible.
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I'm not familiar with Kenny's comment, what was it about? Bruton was new to the job of Taoiseach at the time. Bertie was at the end of his tenure, relatively. I think people ascribe 'smarts' to Bertie. I think he's lucky more than anything, and a holder of the quintessential Fianna Fail brass neck, and 'feck the rest of yis' mentality. Did Albert Reynolds not say: "that's women for ye", that's how I quote it anyway. I'm sure to say that a few times a year. I loves Albert.:DOT but I don't think it was indicative of anything other the fact that everyone is likely to say silly/stupid things from time to time but politicians have their every utterance recorded. Was it any sillier than Kenny's "Some n*** who died in the war" or Bruton's "f***ing peace process" or Reynold's "that's women now". It only stood out because of Bertie's teflon reputation when the pickings for his enemies were thin for much of his career.
I wouldn't be to sure that his lack of clarity was entirely inadvertent.0 -
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It is not that long ago when Adams was referring to the Irish Republic as the 26 counties, and some Shinners still do. This is / was an explicit statement that he does not recognize the republic.He's not against the state's existence, he is against the partition of Ireland and as a consequence of that fact - would like to see north and south of the country unified, desolving both states (As do the majority of the people).
As for what the majority want, when push comes to shove and the see what such folly would cost, I think they might reconsider!
4 TDs out of 166. That proves what exactly?The fact that 4 TD's from Sinn Féin sit in An Dáil proves it.
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They must be wizards at handling their money! Average industrial wage and yet some of them manage to keep holiday homes in Donegal.SF politicians earn only an average industrial wage.
If the British tax payers are paying Adams political (!) wages then perhaps he should consider being head of state of Britain. QE II won't be around for much longer ..... Queen Gerry has a nice ring to it don't you think?
And speaking of QE II, it is quite plausible that said Queen will come visit us during the reign of the next president. Wouldn't that be a turnip of Gerry had to meet and greet her?0 -
It is not that long ago when Adams was referring to the Irish Republic as the 26 counties, and some Shinners still do. This is / was an explicit statement that he does not recognize the republic.
So what if he refers to it as the 26 counties? It's an alternative means to highlight the partition of the Island.
Secondly - There is no such country called the "Irish Republic", or "The Republic of Ireland". If you want to get pedantic about names, I can too.As for what the majority want, when push comes to shove and the see what such folly would cost, I think they might reconsider!
It's a moot point - the point is, that Gerry like the majority of the Irish people aspire for Irish unification. He shouldn't be chastised for it, anymore than any Joe Soap on the street should aspires for it too.4 TDs out of 166. That proves what exactly?
Proves that they recognise the existence of the state by virtue of participation in it's parlimentary body. Did you actually read what the comment was in response to?0 -
They must be wizards at handling their money! Average industrial wage and yet some of them manage to keep holiday homes in Donegal.
I'll entertain your debate. Tell me exactly which have a holiday home in Donegal, and I'll be more than happy to explain why some politicians - who earn an average Industrial wage - have the ability to afford it. It might not be anything to do with the fact than some, like Gerry Adams are published writers for 30 years - and have sold 1000's of books around the world, now would it?
The fact remains - SF politicians earn an average Industrial wage for their duties. This is a fact and cannot be disputed.Queen Gerry has a nice ring to it don't you think?
No, it doesn't. And your argument is in the gutter at this stage. Try bait elsewhere.0 -
It is not a pedantic point. I don't care what name Adams and his crew use to refer to this state provided he recognizes it and that its legitimate government is selected by the Dail and not a bunch of subversives in South Armagh. Anyone familiar with Shinner speak knows full well that terms like "the 26 counties" as well as the "the six counties" are used precisely to convey their view that they do not recognize either as legitimate political entities. I sometime refer to Northern Ireland as "the North" but that is just being lazy / careless. I do accept that Britain are for the moment, the legitimate rulers. Referring to Northern Ireland as the six counties has a clear underlying political implication, as I suspect well you know.So what if he refers to it as the 26 counties? It's an alternative means to highlight the partition of the Island.
Secondly - There is no such country called the "Irish Republic", or "The Republic of Ireland". If you want to get pedantic about names, I can too.
As for your argument about SF reps receiving average industrial wage, well such a principle stance is slightly undermined don't you think, if they are willing to boast their income by shall we say, "other streams of income". 0 -
It is not a pedantic point. I don't care what name Adams and his crew use to refer to this state provided he recognizes it and that its legitimate government is selected by the Dail and not a bunch of subversives in South Armagh.
And I have already addressed this, but you still refuse to accept it - that 4 members of An Dáil are Sinn Féin TD's. Surely, wouldn't they abstain from even sitting in the Dáil if they didn't recognise it?I sometime refer to Northern Ireland as "the North" but that is just being lazy / careless. I do accept that Britain are for the moment, the legitimate rulers. Referring to Northern Ireland as the six counties has a clear underlying political implication, as I suspect well you know.
So what? Of course it has political implications - It is a political statement that they aspire for the partition of the Island to end. Given that they are active in both Stormont and An Dáil, along with the cataylst for the GFA - IS this not proof enough that they are willing to engage within both states? It doesn't change their goals of Irish unification - A Goal that is shared by all major political parties in the south may I add.As for your argument about SF reps receiving average industrial wage, well such a principle stance is slightly undermined don't you think, if they are willing to boast their income by shall we say, "other streams of income".
Which I have already addressed - Many are accomplished authors, and if they want to earn extra income by legitimate means of writing books and such, then what's the problem? Many politicians do this - from Bill Clinton to Nelson Mandela. Your attempt to discredit a legitimate means of income of writing books by quoting it, is weak, and does nothing to strengthen your argurment to be honest. I've seen this same rhetoric before.0 -
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