2012 return of the hidden planet?

Penn

adrian280582 wrote: »

Any links to this by any chance?

to be honest this 2012 thing to me is going be head wrecker till 1st January 2013

Don't worry, its supposed to be happening on 21st December 2012. So you can still enjoy your Christmas

mysterious

adrian280582 wrote: »

Any links to this by any chance?

to be honest this 2012 thing to me is going be head wrecker till 1st January 2013

Hi Adrian

I will put forward a few links and videos to give you both sides of the argument. I have found many people who had worked for the government and other whistleblowers have the same consistent story of the history of our solar system. NASA however won't say anything on that matter. They just basically say the solar system as we know has been formed as it looked today and pretty much stays this way.:D I find that kind of funny and not surprising NASA would say that while many whistleblowers make more sense tbh. It's frieghtening to realise how much NASA keep from us.

Give me some time, I will get them for you.

The_Kew_Tour

mysterious wrote: »

Hi Adrian

I will put forward a few links and videos to give you both sides of the argument. I have found many people who had worked for the government and other whistleblowers have the same consistent story of the history of our solar system. NASA however won't say anything on that matter. They just basically say the solar system as we know has been formed as it looked today and pretty much stays this way.:D I find that kind of funny and not surprising NASA would say that while many whistleblowers make more sense tbh. It's frieghtening to realise how much NASA keep from us.

Give me some time, I will get them for you.

No problem, thanks for update

dlofnep

There is not one iota of Evidence for the existence of Nibiru.

namloc1980

mysterious wrote: »

Allex Collier stated that a planetart structure will pass through our solar systen and it will be seen in the next year. Alex rarely speaks out and is always on the ball with his mentoring. He's a pretty down to earth man. I also am glad the Andromedians sussed him out as a contactee back in the day.

But as many people think I'm a C.Ts I'm a skeptic too on this matter with Nibru.:D


I'm aware that the governments and NASA are very well responsible for the disinfo on this topic. For exposing it in the 80s and the rolling it back. Like everything else they do. Many ex Nasa workers claim planet X is through and all top astronomers know but are kept quiet about it. While we all are told little to nothing. That's fine, as this has alway's been the way. But it is interesting to know they are two stories on this. Some say Nibru is coming and others are saying it was blown up. I understand this as someone is trying to spread mis info deliberatly in a way of making us unprepared if it does come by. Though if Nibru is infact destroyed, our second sun will stil pass through and affect our climate and gravity but not as greatly as it did in the past if Nibru was enroute between Mars and Jupiter. C.Ts are not the only people who are researching this top people in the astronomy field are trying to find out too. But's it unusually very divided on the actual faith of Nibru.


From my perspective I have completle understanding of our nature of our second sun and it's orbiting planets as our dark twin. Like most stars in the universe are binary. And all the ancients were aware of our second star. but there is many conflicting stories on this. But it does exist and there is no reason as to why it doesn't. It made our solar system the way it did as it passed through to shake everything up. Like someone coming along and throwing a rock into the bath. Rocks everything in it's path, and on it's journey out our solar system begins to calm down again as it appears now. But leading NASA astronmers had to admit our solar system is changing rapidly again.


So I think people need to trust their intution as to whether you feel our evolution is starting. The pheonix as they sometimes call it on it's return. So my conclusion is this, what do you feel? rather than looking to TPTBs on this matter.

A second star anywhere in the local vicinity of our solar system would be easily visible to the naked eye not to mention to the thousands of dedicated amateur astronomers who scan the sky every day and night with their, quite often, high powered telescopes. None of whom report the discovery of a star close by. In fact is this star is to come flying through the solar system in just 3 years (a very tiny fraction of time compared to the universes age) it would probably be the brightest object in the sky after our own Sun.

namloc1980

mysterious wrote: »

Hi Adrian

I will put forward a few links and videos to give you both sides of the argument. I have found many people who had worked for the government and other whistleblowers have the same consistent story of the history of our solar system. NASA however won't say anything on that matter. They just basically say the solar system as we know has been formed as it looked today and pretty much stays this way.:D I find that kind of funny and not surprising NASA would say that while many whistleblowers make more sense tbh. It's frieghtening to realise how much NASA keep from us.

Give me some time, I will get them for you.

NASA is only one of many space organisations in the world. Are JAXA, ESA, Indian Space Organisation, Russian Space Agency, universities, research organisations, UN, every amateur astronomer in the world all in on the conspiracy to hide presence of a second star in or near the solar system??

mysterious

namloc1980 wrote: »

A second star anywhere in the local vicinity of our solar system would be easily visible to the naked eye not to mention to the thousands of dedicated amateur astronomers who scan the sky every day and night with their, quite often, high powered telescopes. None of whom report the discovery of a star close by. In fact is this star is to come flying through the solar system in just 3 years (a very tiny fraction of time compared to the universes age) it would probably be the brightest object in the sky after our own Sun.

It's a failed dark star. It's actually daker than a planet. It can't be seen by a telescope or naked eye. Top astronmoers woking for NASA know a lot but say nothing to us. Yes that sounds really absurd. But either way the government will not disclose it. Infact it will still be fainter than most of the planets when it's appears. As for Nibru I cannot say how bright that wil be, but since it's orbiting a dark star and is smaller than Jupiter, darker than jupiter because it has no proper sunlight reflection it's going to be much dimmer. Ancients decribed it as the "dark sun or red destroyer" with wings around it. The hue around it causes it to appear to have wings.

The star would be going at tremendous speed and much faster than any orbit of our suns planets.


It explains why NASA have a lovely infrared telescope built in the Antarctic that detects dark stars in deep in space. And our dark star is coming up from the Southern Hemisphere direction and it comes in the path between Mars and Jupiter. So we will not see with the naked eye until it's very close to our solar system. As to when it comes I don't know.

mysterious

namloc1980 wrote: »

NASA is only one of many space organisations in the world. Are JAXA, ESA, Indian Space Organisation, Russian Space Agency, universities, research organisations, UN, every amateur astronomer in the world all in on the conspiracy to hide presence of a second star in or near the solar system??

NASA exposed it in the 80s as a conspiracy. So we would guess for our entire life.

Like life on mars, give us a sample and let it feck our heads between ourselves. These organisations are not going to tell the public, as there will be global panick. I can't answer why officials won't come out, but whistleblowers are blowing their tunes.

Youtube Bob Dean, I find him very reliable and genuine, hes close to his 80s now so it's no harm to listen to his wise words before he leaves this world.

namloc1980

mysterious wrote: »

It's a failed dark star. It's actually daker than a planet. It can't be seen by a telescope or naked eye. Top astronmoers woking for NASA know a lot but say nothing to us. Yes that sounds really absurd. But either way the government will not disclose it. Infact it will still be fainter than most of the planets when it's appears. As for Nibru I cannot say how bright that wil be, but since it's orbiting a dark star and is smaller than Jupiter, darker than jupiter because it has no proper sunlight reflection it's going to be much dimmer. Ancients decribed it as the "dark sun or red destroyer" with wings around it. The hue around it causes it to appear to have wings.

The star would be going at tremendous speed and much faster than any orbit of our suns planets.


It explains why NASA have a lovely infrared telescope built in the Antarctic that detects dark stars in deep in space. And our dark star is coming up from the Southern Hemisphere direction and it comes in the path between Mars and Jupiter. So we will not see with the naked eye until it's very close to our solar system. As to when it comes I don't know.

Couldn't people in Australia, New Zealand, Africa, South America not see it and warn us all of impending doom???

mysterious

namloc1980 wrote: »

Couldn't people in Australia, New Zealand, Africa, South America not see it and warn us all of impending doom???

It has been said to be spotted already by people working on the Antarctic in late 2008 for the first time. it is been spoken about. I have gotten an email by someone personally as a confirmation. It will not go mainstream however. If this is true or not, it's something we have to also make a decision on. We live in a world where we only get information from these organisations. So we have to use our intuition and gut instincts a little more. We don't have much time to sit around and get cot up with the why's, lies and deception. We also have to be aware there are many dis info agents on sites and mainstream media making up claims that Nibru is coming by making up hoax's videos, so people will assume it's all a hoax. When the times comes we wil not be prepared.

mysterious

dlofnep wrote: »

There is not one iota of Evidence for the existence of Nibiru.

Then NASA must have a lot of time on their hands making it up in the first place. As for saying no evidence you are clearly mistaken. It's easy to say that when you don't look in the cupboards. But the question is did you look hard enough? before making this claim?

dlofnep

mysterious wrote: »

Then NASA must have a lot of time on their hands making it up in the first place. As for saying no evidence you are clearly mistaken. It's easy to say that when you don't look in the cupboards. But the question is did you look hard enough? before making this claim?

Have you ever even looked into space with a telescope? Tell me exactly where the evidence is to support the theory of Nibiru. I'll await.

namloc1980

mysterious wrote: »

It has been said to be spotted already by people working on the Antarctic in late 2008 for the first time. it is been spoken about. I have gotten an email by someone personally as a confirmation. It will not go mainstream however. If this is true or not, it's something we have to also make a decision on. We live in a world where we only get information from these organisations. So we have to use our intuition and gut instincts a little more. We don't have much time to sit around and get cot up with the why's, lies and deception. We also have to be aware there are many dis info agents on sites and mainstream media making up claims that Nibru is coming by making up hoax's videos, so people will assume it's all a hoax. When the times comes we wil not be prepared.

If this 'star' comes and destroys the solar system what can humanity do about it.....why 'be prepared'??

If it can be seen from Antartica then it can be seen from Australia etc.?

Also if this 'star' is coming at us from between Mars and Jupiter then I should be able to see it. I can see Jupiter tonight and if I stay up all night I can see Mars in the early hours of the morning.....why can't I see this 'star' you speak of??

Anita Blow

mysterious wrote: »

Then NASA must have a lot of time on their hands making it up in the first place. As for saying no evidence you are clearly mistaken. It's easy to say that when you don't look in the cupboards. But the question is did you look hard enough? before making this claim?

What? When did NASA make-up or discover this Nibiru?

Nibiru was thought up by Zecharia Sitchin and he had very little evidence for it.
The Nibiru Collision with Earth was dreamt up by a crazy lady, Nancy Lieder who claimed she was contacted by Aliens.

Great solid evidence for this :rolleyes:

But how can it be approaching from our south pole. the Earth isn't standing still. Six months from now we'll be on the other side of the sun.
So unless this planet/star is on somekind of wacky spiral, it can't always be approaching from our south pole.

And even then Polaris (aka, the north star, the Pole star) is more or less directly over our north pole, but you can see it in the sky all the way down to the Equator.

And even if it was "darker than a planet" it'd still be incredibly bright because it's the size of a star.
It'd be bigger and closer that Jupiter and much much brighter.

If Nibiru exists anyone in the southern hemisphere with a telescope would be easily able to see it.

It seems that mysterious simply does not know how astronomy works.

mysterious

adrian280582 wrote: »

No problem, thanks for update

This link is only what we are shown and what NASA will only show us, but not affirm. So it's we who has to make a decision on the univere.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCjhqLkUmtA&feature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9VBsKGdxQU&feature=PlayList&p=80889A7E5EF68345&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=5


Summeria where the fallen ones settled long ago,(who come from Nibru) and it's also where the American government are now taking control of.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJV4wrNwWDU&feature=related


Here gives you an insight to the book enoch (worth reading up in scriptures as it's not in the King james bible) This video is ok, but it's incredibly mainstream and all a bit vague tbh.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6BlvgOgb5Y&feature=related


I promise you all you will like this interview with Bob Dean.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbgHyrmgRZM
Bob at a recent on at the European Exopolitics conference.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ngvIP0Za9M&feature=related


Andy loyd discusses Dark star theory on Coast to Coast
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0Rdp1fN_5o&feature=PlayList&p=FBD08F6272D0D16E&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=3


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlU1s1UCs-k


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZlD-7vz7MI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g496D3re6zg


I've spent about two hours trying to find the ex Nasa employee explaining the through history of our solar system that was on youtube. It was on Coast to coast about a year ago. All I can say is what he says is the same as other whitleblowers who used to work for NASA and other contactees etc. If you want some more references on our true history of our solar system check out this site. This link is just one section of the site. If you browse on the site you will find some info on our true history of our solar system .
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sumer_anunnaki/reptiles/reptiles.htm#menu

mysterious

Anita Blow wrote: »

What? When did NASA make-up or discover this Nibiru?

Nibiru was thought up by Zecharia Sitchin and he had very little evidence for it.
The Nibiru Collision with Earth was dreamt up by a crazy lady, Nancy Lieder who claimed she was contacted by Aliens.

Great solid evidence for this :rolleyes:

In the early 80s Nasa made it deemed a conspiracy and then pull down the blinds on it and leave us in the darkness. Same with pretty much every bit of half truths they blab to us. It's absurd. It's why they have a quite a reputation of never giving a straight answer.

Nobody claimed to my knowledge that nibru was going to crash into earth. The dis info agents surely do for to spread fear.

mysterious

King Mob wrote: »

But how can it be approaching from our south pole. the Earth isn't standing still. Six months from now we'll be on the other side of the sun.
So unless this planet/star is on somekind of wacky spiral, it can't always be approaching from our south pole.

And even then Polaris (aka, the north star, the Pole star) is more or less directly over our north pole, but you can see it in the sky all the way down to the Equator.

And even if it was "darker than a planet" it'd still be incredibly bright because it's the size of a star.
It'd be bigger and closer that Jupiter and much much brighter.

If Nibiru exists anyone in the southern hemisphere with a telescope would be easily able to see it.

It seems that mysterious simply does not know how astronomy works.

I never said earth was standing still. I said exactly what I needed to say! Our dark star is not the size of a star. It's a faild dwarf star. It's about the same size as Saturn.

Why did you make the claim that I know nothing about astronomy?

mysterious

mysterious wrote: »

I never said earth was standing still. I said exactly what I needed to say!

But you said that the reason we couldn't see Nibiru was because it was approaching from directly over our south pole.
How can this be if the Earth is moving?

mysterious wrote: »

Our dark star is not the size of a star. It's a faild dwarf star. It's about the same size as Saturn.

Actually then it would be just a gas giant.
Failed stars or brown dwarfs are at least 20 times the size of Jupiter.
And even if it was the size of Saturn it's still closer than Jupiter and would be easily visible.

mysterious wrote: »

Why did you make the claim that I know nothing about astronomy?

Because you're throwing around terms like they were Star Trek technobabble?
You may as well be throwing in some "tachyon beams" and "reversing the polarity" for all the sense you are making.

namloc1980

mysterious wrote: »

I never said earth was standing still. I said exactly what I needed to say! Our dark star is not the size of a star. It's a faild dwarf star. It's about the same size as Saturn.

Why did you make the claim that I know nothing about astronomy?

In that case it's not a star at all but a Gas Giant like Jupiter and Saturn. Someone with a modest telescope of 10 to 12 inches can see Pluto under good conditions and that is only 2,400km in diameter (about the distance from London to Moscow) so this 'star/planet' you speak of similar in size to Saturn would have a diameter of 60,000km and would be visible in a pair of binoculors to anyone and amateur astronomers would have easily seen it at this stage.

mysterious

namloc1980 wrote: »

In that case it's not a star at all but a Gas Giant like Jupiter and Saturn. Someone with a modest telescope of 10 to 12 inches can see Pluto under good conditions and that is only 2,400km in diameter (about the distance from London to Moscow) so this 'star/planet' you speak of similar in size to Saturn would have a diameter of 60,000km and would be visible in a pair of binoculors to anyone and amateur astronomers would have easily seen it at this stage.

We will when it comes closer to our solar system. It is a long eclipitcal orbit that goes as far Canis major and Sirius.

namloc1980

mysterious wrote: »

We will when it comes closer to our solar system. It is a long eclipitcal orbit that goes as far Canis major and Sirius.

:eek: Sirius is 8.6 LIGHT YEARS away!! Some orbit

If the star/planet thing is only 3 years away from us how far away is it now at this moment?

BTW Canis Major is a constellation and all it's component stars are at very different distances from the earth and each other!

koHd

Mysterious, where did you gain such a knowledge of astronomy?

What is your area of expertise of all the subjects you would have a knowledge of?

mysterious

namloc1980 wrote: »

:eek: Sirius is 8.6 LIGHT YEARS away!! Some orbit

If the star/planet thing is only 3 years away from us how far away is it now at this moment?

BTW Canis Major is a constellation and all it's component stars are at very different distances from the earth and each other!

Look I do respect all your questioning. I would like to know the whole truth I want you to know the whole truth. And we can find the whole truth if we just take a deep breath and try figure it out. I had asked an astronomer on another forum and he found this theory of mine very interesting. Through my own research and channellings I recieved from my higher self and other beings. They gave me some visions that Nibru was put here by the G.F and this was done to create evolution on our world and solar system. Our solar system was inhabited for a very long time before us aswell. Nibru is populated by mixed humanioid races who are called the fallen or nephilim. Famously known as the Annunaki. This dark star travels to Canis major and Siirus. I have heard that it passes near Alpha centauri, though I can't quote that. Sirius as you know is a binary and the third theorised star is Sirius C. Sirius C cannot be seen because Sirius C is mistaken for our own dark star. This is my own channelling and perspective. I have said this on another forum, and to my surprise others too have confirmed this. The other fact people need to realise, the ancients such as the dogon tribe knew that Sirius was a binary star., It's quoted in the koran also. I will look for the link and post it. The dogon tribe didn't have telescopes, so the question is how did they know what we didn't? If you do some research you will find the ancients knew a lot of things about the cosmos that we are only beginning to find out now. This is why I always say science is flawed, because whule science is trying to find proof, someone already knows it ions ago. Maybe we are really taking the mayas for granted?


I asked the astronomer on that forum who was interested in the Nibru theory to do the calculations. So if this is all true, can any mathematician calculate what speed it may be going if it has an orbit that loops to Sirius and our own star. It is said it takes 3,600 years to do a full orbit. So is there a way of knowing when it would arrive or how fast it would go.

Thanks in advanced.

mysterious

koHd wrote: »

Mysterious, where did you gain such a knowledge of astronomy?

What is your area of expertise of all the subjects you would have a knowledge of?

My expertise is ensuring humanity ascends to the 5th dimension. I expected to be bashed but 'm not interested in making myself known, or making money for trying to bring the truth out. I will stay behind scenes and spread truth in the best of my own abiilty. I get my knowing from allowing my higher self to be intouch with my lower physical self. We all have this within us. All the expertise I have is natural within me as in you.

You know many of us may not know where we are going, or know what the future holds with this planet as it hurtles through space. But I know one thing, we have a future and a very different future if we seek it out allow inner truth to come to the surface of all this deception. The deception will continue and we will be pushed into doubt. But I do hope whatever my research has shown wil be something positive.

koHd

mysterious wrote: »

My expertise is ensuring humanity ascends to the 5th dimension. I expected to be bashed but 'm not interested in making myself known, or making money for trying to bring the truth out. I will stay behind scenes and spread truth in the best of my own abiilty. I get my knowing from allowing my higher self to be intouch with my lower physical self. We all have this within us. All the expertise I have is natural within me as in you.

You know many of us may not know where we are going, or know what the future holds with this planet as it hurtles through space. But I know one thing, we have a future and a very different future if we seek it out allow inner truth to come to the surface of all this deception. The deception will continue and we will be pushed into doubt. But I do hope whatever my research has shown wil be something positive.

Do you have a blog or anything like that?

Do you plan on releasing your research for everybody to read?

namloc1980

mysterious wrote: »

Look I do respect all your questioning. I would like to know the whole truth I want you to know the whole truth. And we can find the whole truth if we just take a deep breath and try figure it out. I had asked an astronomer on another forum and he found this theory of mine very interesting. Through my own research and channellings I recieved from my higher self and other beings. They gave me some visions that Nibru was put here by the G.F and this was done to create evolution on our world and solar system. Our solar system was inhabited for a very long time before us aswell. Nibru is populated by mixed humanioid races who are called the fallen or nephilim. Famously known as the Annunaki. This dark star travels to Canis major and Siirus. I have heard that it passes near Alpha centauri, though I can't quote that. Sirius as you know is a binary and the third theorised star is Sirius C. Sirius C cannot be seen because Sirius C is mistaken for our own dark star. This is my own channelling and perspective. I have said this on another forum, and to my surprise others too have confirmed this. The other fact people need to realise, the ancients such as the dogon tribe knew that Sirius was a binary star., It's quoted in the koran also. I will look for the link and post it. The dogon tribe didn't have telescopes, so the question is how did they know what we didn't? If you do some research you will find the ancients knew a lot of things about the cosmos that we are only beginning to find out now. This is why I always say science is flawed, because whule science is trying to find proof, someone already knows it ions ago. Maybe we are really taking the mayas for granted?


I asked the astronomer on that forum who was interested in the Nibru theory to do the calculations. So if this is all true, can any mathematician calculate what speed it may be going if it has an orbit that loops to Sirius and our own star. It is said it takes 3,600 years to do a full orbit. So is there a way of knowing when it would arrive or how fast it would go.

Thanks in advanced.

A quick calculation assuming it travels in a straight line would require a constant speed of over 5,000,000 km per hour for 3,600 years to get from Sun to Sirius and back again. Of course an orbit isn't a straight line and also there would be movements in the positions of the stars so you could be talking up to 10,000,000 km per hour. I'm not sure but I doubt a planetary body could maintain cohesion at those speeds. Also it is difficult to imagine a body orbiting both the Sun and Sirius at the same time. One of the stars would capture the body into it's own gravity at some point.

Besides that how can a humanoid race live on a planet which spends most of it's time in interstellar space with no light, heat etc???

Also your assertion would mean that this planet was here only 3,600 years ago. Civilisation and humanity survived that so nothing to worry about is there?

mysterious

namloc1980 wrote: »

A quick calculation assuming it travels in a straight line would require a constant speed of over 5,000,000 km per hour for 3,600 years to get from Sun to Sirius and back again. Of course an orbit isn't a straight line and also there would be movements in the positions of the stars so you could be talking up to 10,000,000 km per hour. I'm not sure but I doubt a planetary body could maintain cohesion at those speeds. Also it is difficult to imagine a body orbiting both the Sun and Sirius at the same time. One of the stars would capture the body into it's own gravity at some point.

Besides that how can a humanoid race live on a planet which spends most of it's time in interstellar space with no light, heat etc???

Also your assertion would mean that this planet was here only 3,600 years ago. Civilisation and humanity survived that so nothing to worry about is there?

They are millions years ahead of us. They use gold and other potent minerals to protect their athmosphere. They inhabit many planets and not just Nibru. There is 5 other planets orbiting their dark star. Bob Dean says there athmosphere keeps the heat in. If you had inside information in NASA, would know there is life on every planet in our solar system. Venus, Mars, Juptier, Saturn and their moons. But thats another topic if people want to bring it up on here. The speed of the star would be going fast. How fast does our sun travel at. I have to say I'm not good with the figures. But If I had the time I would work it out. Do you have first hand info as to how fast our star travels at. Stars travel at far greater speeds than planetary bodies go.

I will get the info from the astronomer I spoken too. Thanks for your analogy.

namloc1980

mysterious wrote: »

They are millions years ahead of us. They use gold and other potent minerals to protect their athmosphere. They inhabit many planets and not just Nibru. There is 5 other planets orbiting their dark star. Bob Dean says there athmosphere keeps the heat in. If you had inside information in NASA, would know there is life on every planet in our solar system. Venus, Mars, Juptier, Saturn and their moons. But thats another topic if people want to bring it up on here. The speed of the star would be going fast. How fast does our sun travel at. I have to say I'm not good with the figures. But If I had the time I would work it out. Do you have first hand info as to how fast our star travels at. Stars travel at far greater speeds than planetary bodies go.

I will get the info from the astronomer I spoken too. Thanks for your analogy.

Well I would rather go with physics and chemistry than the ramblings of Bob Dean. I mean gold is nothing more than a metal, how can a metal protect an atmosphere?

Speed in the universe is relative to everything else. The planets move relative to the sun, which moves relative to the galaxy, which moves relative to the other galaxies in the vicinity. It is estimated that the Sun orbits the the Galactic centre at 780,000 km per hour. Nibiru would have to move at up to 10,000,000 km per hour to get from Sun to Sirius and back again in 3,600 years. :eek:

Also the Koran says nothing about Sirius being a binary system...I presume the piece you are referring to is "He was two bow-lengths away or even closer." It takes some pretty imaginative interpretation to translate that into "Sirius is a binary star system."

mysterious

mysterious wrote: »

They are millions years ahead of us. They use gold and other potent minerals to protect their athmosphere.

Isn't gold really shiny?
And wouldn't an atmosphere with gold floating about in it also be shiny?
Wouldn't that make Nibiru even easier to see?

Hootanany

Why can we not see The Dark side of the Moon can we not send a Shuttle to look at it

namloc1980

Hootanany wrote: »

Why can we not see The Dark side of the Moon can we not send a Shuttle to look at it

Shuttle can't go beyond low earth orbit.

Far side of the moon has been photographed by Russian, American, Indian etc robotic spacecraft and Apollo manned spacecraft since the 1960's. Plenty of photos on the net of it.



off topic as well.

Hootanany

Sos any links
But Nibiru is made up by Erik Von Dankin how can a Planet be undetected for so long only last week they saw light from a Star 13 Billions light years away

Hootanany

Lot of straight lines there

Hootanany

Hootanany wrote: »

Lot of straight lines there

Because it's a mosaic of images?

namloc1980

Hootanany wrote: »

Lot of straight lines there

What do you mean by that??

It's a composite of 50,000 seperate images

DigiGal

mysterious wrote: »

We will when it comes closer to our solar system. It is a long eclipitcal orbit that goes as far Canis major and Sirius.

I get what you are saying about a binary star but I don't think the suns mass and gravitational pull is large enough to hold such an orbit. I can't be positive but I'm pretty sure it aint possible.

DigiGal

mysterious wrote: »

Then NASA must have a lot of time on their hands making it up in the first place. As for saying no evidence you are clearly mistaken. It's easy to say that when you don't look in the cupboards. But the question is did you look hard enough? before making this claim?

I presume you have a cosmology/science/astronomy background then yes?

Hootanany

Sorry did not know that so is it the same with Mars i know off topic again

namloc1980

Hootanany wrote: »

Sorry did not know that so is it the same with Mars i know off topic again

yeah spacecraft orbiting it at present producing stunning images MRO is here Mars Express is here Rovers here

mysterious

namloc1980 wrote: »

Well I would rather go with physics and chemistry than the ramblings of Bob Dean. I mean gold is nothing more than a metal, how can a metal protect an atmosphere?

Speed in the universe is relative to everything else. The planets move relative to the sun, which moves relative to the galaxy, which moves relative to the other galaxies in the vicinity. It is estimated that the Sun orbits the the Galactic centre at 780,000 km per hour. Nibiru would have to move at up to 10,000,000 km per hour to get from Sun to Sirius and back again in 3,600 years. :eek:

Also the Koran says nothing about Sirius being a binary system...I presume the piece you are referring to is "He was two bow-lengths away or even closer." It takes some pretty imaginative interpretation to translate that into "Sirius is a binary star system."

Yeah I know people go with the educations systems, the systems that keeps us indocrinated and keep guessing about the universe we exist in.

But "There are people" out "there" who have worked inside the system and know the truth. But you made the decision to accept the systems view of reality. That is your choice and I respect that, but I don't think it's acceptable to just disrespect people who are out there to get this info. While the system you follow is lieing to us. They lie all the time. The reality we are still dependant on, it seems like a vicious circle. I find this to be way off balance.
If we keep this pattern up we will die like our parents and grandparents with the same doubts and questions as they had. Otherwise known as repeating history.

Remember this. While you are waiting for astronomers, chemistry and physics experts to tell you that Sirius was a binary star(as they only recently discovered), The dogon tribe knew it was a binary long before "the system". While many people inside NASA know our star is a binary and we keep waiting for NASA to tell us what we don't know, we will die waiting. This is the reality we are living and we are the blame for it, not NASA. We will die waiting to be someone or discover something, because we are giving our power and responsiblity away to systems and powers structures that don't value our lives.

Bob dean is a very respected intellegent man, and to say hes rambling is downright rude. He has risked his life to spread the truth hes almost 80 years of age. At least Bob dean is out there trying to get truth out to humanity. I'm sorry but you have lost my attention from this point forward. It was great to hear your earlier insights.

mysterious

mysterious wrote: »

Remember this. While you are waiting for astronomers, chemistry and physics experts to tell you that Sirius was a binary star(as they only recently discovered),

1862 is recent?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sirius#Discovery_of_a_companion

mysterious wrote: »

The dogon tribe knew it was a binary long before "the system".

Funnily enough the first time this claim popped up was in the 30's well after astronomers discovered Sirius B.
There is no evidence what so ever the Dogon people had knowledge of Sirius B before 1844.

In fact the Dogon people actually refer to Sirius as having 3 stars.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogon_people.

mysterious wrote: »

While many people inside NASA know our star is a binary and we keep waiting for NASA to tell us what we don't know, we will die waiting.

So why can't they provide some substantial evidence for the existence of Nibiru?
Like a photo? Or some data showing the effects of it's gravity?
Or maybe a location in the sky so we can go look at it?

mysterious

King Mob wrote: »

1862 is recent?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sirius#Discovery_of_a_companion


Funnily enough the first time this claim popped up was in the 30's well after astronomers discovered Sirius B.
There is no evidence what so ever the Dogon people had knowledge of Sirius B before 1844.

In fact the Dogon people actually refer to Sirius as having 3 stars.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogon_people.

And you will be waiting for NASA to tell you the third one!


The claim didn't come up in the 30s. The dogon tribe weren't around the times of the great economic depression! Just wanted to correct that. Just because you heard that claim or you take someone else's claim that the dogon tribe knew this, but it's been known for a very long time.

The mayas also knew our planet was round and orbited our sun as well as orbiting our galaxy. They know other things too.;)

koHd

mysterious wrote: »

Yeah I know people go with the educations systems, the systems that keeps us indocrinated and keep guessing about the universe we exist in.

But "There are people" out "there" who have worked inside the system and know the truth. But you made the decision to accept the systems view of reality. That is your choice and I respect that, but I don't think it's acceptable to just disrespect people who are out there to get this info. While the system you follow is lieing to us. They lie all the time. The reality we are still dependant on, it seems like a vicious circle. I find this to be way off balance.

Dude. I don't know if you are doing it on purpose or not but you are insulting people that have dedicated their life to studying these things.

You can say you respect peoples decisions to "accept the systems view of reality" all you want. It's not covering up the fact that you are saying these people that have dedicated their life to studying astronomy, physics etc. are totally clueless.

The stance you are taking is so easy.

You're making up your own rules and if you're wrong about something you simply say that the experts knowledge is wrong because there is a system in place to teach fake information and create stupid scientists?

You complain that people are trying to belittle your credibility and knowledge, yet in almost every post you write, you belittle almost every intelligent person on this planet that has actually spent the time to master an area such as astronomy or physics.

I enjoy your posts. But you need to cut that bit out.

rameire

mysterious wrote: »

I asked the astronomer on that forum who was interested in the Nibru theory to do the calculations. So if this is all true, can any mathematician calculate what speed it may be going if it has an orbit that loops to Sirius and our own star. It is said it takes 3,600 years to do a full orbit. So is there a way of knowing when it would arrive or how fast it would go.

Thanks in advanced.

a light year is
5,878,630,000,000 miles
the distance that you are talking is 8.6 light years
so one way is 50,556,218,000,000 miles
if you are talking an orbit which is then twice this at
101,112,436,000,000 miles to do a full orbit.
and it takes 3600 years to do this so it needs to travel at
28,086,787,777 miles a year
that is 28 Billion ( with a BIG B ) miles.
so at that speed it will never be seen, thats why nobody can see it and never will see it.
thats about 3,206,254 miles an hour if im correct.

mysterious

mysterious wrote: »

And you will be waiting for NASA to tell you the third one!

So you're now claiming that Sirius is in fact a trinary system?
Despite the last two pages of you calling it a binary?

mysterious wrote: »

The claim didn't come up in the 30s. The dogon tribe weren't around the times of the great economic depression!

Yea they were.

When do you think this claim was first made?

mysterious wrote: »

Just wanted to correct that. Just because you heard that claim or you take someone else's claim that the dogon tribe knew this, but it's been known for a very long time.

Ok and how do you know it's been known for a long time.
Just because you heard that claim doesn't make it true.

mysterious wrote: »

The mayas also knew our planet was round and orbited our sun as well as orbiting our galaxy. They know other things too.;)

Ok you realise you have to back up what you are saying right?
Cause otherwise it just looks like you are making stuff up.

How do you know the Mayans believed the earth was round and orbited the sun?

6th

koHd wrote: »

Dude. I don't know if you are doing it on purpose or not but you are insulting people that have dedicated their life to studying these things.

You can say you respect peoples decisions to "accept the systems view of reality" all you want. It's not covering up the fact that you are saying these people that have dedicated their life to studying astronomy, physics etc. are totally clueless.

The stance you are taking is so easy.

You're making up your own rules and if you're wrong about something you simply say that the experts knowledge is wrong because there is a system in place to teach fake information and create stupid scientists?

You complain that people are trying to belittle your credibility and knowledge, yet in almost every post you write, you belittle almost every intelligent person on this planet that has actually spent the time to master an area such as astronomy or physics.

I enjoy your posts. But you need to cut that bit out.

This is getting close to being personal. Discuss the posts by all means but if you wish to comment about how a person posts I suggest you discuss that with them via PM.

namloc1980

mysterious wrote: »

Yeah I know people go with the educations systems, the systems that keeps us indocrinated and keep guessing about the universe we exist in.

But "There are people" out "there" who have worked inside the system and know the truth. But you made the decision to accept the systems view of reality. That is your choice and I respect that, but I don't think it's acceptable to just disrespect people who are out there to get this info. While the system you follow is lieing to us. They lie all the time. The reality we are still dependant on, it seems like a vicious circle. I find this to be way off balance.
If we keep this pattern up we will die like our parents and grandparents with the same doubts and questions as they had. Otherwise known as repeating history.

Remember this. While you are waiting for astronomers, chemistry and physics experts to tell you that Sirius was a binary star(as they only recently discovered), The dogon tribe knew it was a binary long before "the system". While many people inside NASA know our star is a binary and we keep waiting for NASA to tell us what we don't know, we will die waiting. This is the reality we are living and we are the blame for it, not NASA. We will die waiting to be someone or discover something, because we are giving our power and responsiblity away to systems and powers structures that don't value our lives.

Bob dean is a very respected intellegent man, and to say hes rambling is downright rude. He has risked his life to spread the truth hes almost 80 years of age. At least Bob dean is out there trying to get truth out to humanity. I'm sorry but you have lost my attention from this point forward. It was great to hear your earlier insights.

You are disrespecting everyone who believes in actual science by saying they are indoctrinated but besides that Sirius was discovered to have a companion in the middle of the 19th Century.



An American called Alvan Graham Clark directly observed Sirius B in 1862. The Dogon tribe only came on the scene in the 1930's, nearly 70 years later.

Also why are you suggesting NASA is keeping it secret that our Sun has a companion star?? What about all the other space agencies in the world, what about every amateur anstronomer in the world, or every astrophysicist, or every University....are they all keeping it a big secret as well?

Your failure to answer any of the questions posed about this theory in the previous posts gives it very little credibility. Why can't we see this second star coming at us? In the above image of Sirius A & B we can see the companion star and that is 8.6 light years away...our supposed companion would be much closer? Are you able to answer any of the points raised?

mysterious

namloc1980 wrote: »

You are disrespecting everyone who believes in actual science by saying they are indoctrinated but besides that Sirius was discovered to have a companion in the middle of the 19th Century.



An American called Alvan Graham Clark directly observed Sirius B in 1862. The Dogon tribe only came on the scene in the 1930's, nearly 70 years later.

Also why are you suggesting NASA is keeping it secret that our Sun has a companion star?? What about all the other space agencies in the world, what about every amateur anstronomer in the world, or every astrophysicist, or every University....are they all keeping it a big secret as well?

Your failure to answer any of the questions posed about this theory in the previous posts gives it very little credibility. Why can't we see this second star coming at us? In the above image of Sirius A & B we can see the companion star and that is 8.6 light years away...our supposed companion would be much closer? Are you able to answer any of the points raised?

To be quite frank I don't care if it hurts or offends any of you that the Sirius star was known to be a Binary/Trinary star before mainstream science. I don't think its relevant either.


There are people who know things and have brought knowledge down through the ages. You dont need a degree or be a scientist to know certain things. I find this way of looking down at others to be arrogance.

You took a shot at Bob Dean and accussed him of consistent rambling or babblings. That is offensive and downright not true. Now your just making excuses and trying to direct attention of it. If you actually did research on him you would not be saying ignorant comments at some of these very respectable people out there. Seriously nobody crossed the line of disrespect but yourself on that one.


They are many things modern science are only beginning to understand that the ancients already knew. Just because your not aware of it, doesn't mean you can ridicule people.


http://www.crystalinks.com/dogon.html

http://www.siriuslink.com/brightest.php

mysterious

rameire wrote: »

a light year is
5,878,630,000,000 miles
the distance that you are talking is 8.6 light years
so one way is 50,556,218,000,000 miles
if you are talking an orbit which is then twice this at
101,112,436,000,000 miles to do a full orbit.
and it takes 3600 years to do this so it needs to travel at
28,086,787,777 miles a year
that is 28 Billion ( with a BIG B ) miles.
so at that speed it will never be seen, thats why nobody can see it and never will see it.
thats about 3,206,254 miles an hour if im correct.

Well there must be a way of knowing or getting defeninte figures to know what speed its going in facts. Thank you for your mathmatican skills. It's also can go at this speed. I'm sure they are stars going at greater speeds than Our dark star. Since it's flung right out into empty space.

I believe our companion star creates evolution on our solar system. TPTB and illuminati are the ones who survived the last great shift. The daugher civilzations of the fallen one, Atlantis would have perished as it did 13,000 years ago. This 13,000 year time phrase is from The age of Leo to Aquarius which is what we are now in. 10,980 BC is the age of Leo. This the fall of Atlantis. From my perspective this is why Egypt and the Mayas built pyramids and were time keepers. Therefore knew about Duat(red destroyers) Which is what they called it in Egypt.

NASA been privatley owned knows all about this and when the our binary comes again. But if we all knew about it, we would be able to deplete the power system and be at par with them in preparation. The whole world would have to rebuild itself when the times comes. So it makes perfect sense TPTB are not informing us. It also makes sense that some us of us will not believe this because we haven't been told our true history. If more than 80% of stars are binary than we have a far greater evidence of having on than not having one. There is also a lot of truth to NASA hiding this info from us as I've explained above.

It's coming as to when I don't know. But I'd rather be prepared then sitting around living in some pipe dream thinking and not changing my reality.