Any pro ever caught cheating?

Dreddybajs

30something wrote: »

Could someone please clarify whether 7/2 off always beats 2/7 off HU? I was informed at my friend's regular home game (I think he cheats sometimes) that where it appears to be a split pot the higher of the players first hole cards decides it.

Thanks

Haha, what a ridiculous lie.

kakak1

30something wrote: »

Could someone please clarify whether 7/2 off always beats 2/7 off HU? I was informed at my friend's regular home game (I think he cheats sometimes) that where it appears to be a split pot the higher of the players first hole cards decides it.

Thanks

Not strictly true, if both players have sooooooooooooted 7/2, 2/7 the criteria is to rate the suits alphabetically in reverse e.g. spades, hearts, diamonds & clubs. If only one player has them sooted he obviously wins. If neither then it's back to your rule of whoever had the first 7...............;)

lillou

lol @ this thread

zuroph

POINTBREAK wrote: »

lol at lucky account. The first 3 years I played I didnt win anything. When I learned how to calculate outs and pot odds and read all the books on strategy............. thats when I started to win. You call it luck if you want.

Pokertracker is legal and you cant multitable without it. Every winning internet player who multitables uses tracker software.

How can it be legal?! Surely its cheating, using a software to win?!

30something

kakak1 wrote: »

Not strictly true, if both players have sooooooooooooted 7/2, 2/7 the criteria is to rate the suits alphabetically in reverse e.g. spades, hearts, diamonds & clubs. If only one player has them sooted he obviously wins. If neither then it's back to your rule of whoever had the first 7...............;)

Thanks for that but in my case neither of our hands were "sooted" (I thought "Suited" but whatever). He did mention the reverse alphabet suits rule didn't apply because each of us had a diamond so apparantly the highest card out first rule was invoked. I challenged this on the basis that I couldn't remeber which card in my hand I saw first so he pointed to the 2 on my left and said because I was left-handed the way I put the cards down proved that the 2 was my first card - so he won. Strange rule though.

Flipz4Rollz

How has pointbreak ot figured out this is a level yet?

kakak1

30something wrote: »

Thanks for that but in my case neither of our hands were "sooted" (I thought "Suited" but whatever). He did mention the reverse alphabet suits rule didn't apply because each of us had a diamond so apparantly the highest card out first rule was invoked. I challenged this on the basis that I couldn't remeber which card in my hand I saw first so he pointed to the 2 on my left and said because I was left-handed the way I put the cards down proved that the 2 was my first card - so he won. Strange rule though.

well he does have a point because it is up to each player to protect their cards & you didn't even know which was the first card dealt

kakak1

Flipz4Rollz wrote: »

How has pointbreak ot figured out this is a level yet?

whats that...............

Whyno

Pointbreak is a cheater and must be reported to the relevant authorities for using software to help him play poker.Cheaters must die

POINTBREAK

Whyno wrote: »

Pointbreak is a cheater and must be reported to the relevant authorities for using software to help him play poker.Cheaters must die

lol, you can even get a months free trail with Pokertracker. Try it. I wont post a link in case its spam.

POINTBREAK

zuroph wrote: »

How can it be legal?! Surely its cheating, using a software to win?!

I assure you it is completely legal.

Jesus Wept

POINTBREAK

Oh silly me, I thought it was a serious comment.

zuroph

Theres no way any poker site would knowingly allow you use a software that lets you gain that sort of advantage, It might be legal, but no site would allow it. Letting you see what cards other people had after a hand, thats ridiculous, and cheating.

POINTBREAK

zuroph wrote: »

Theres no way any poker site would knowingly allow you use a software that lets you gain that sort of advantage, It might be legal, but no site would allow it. Letting you see what cards other people had after a hand, thats ridiculous, and cheating.

I use it on Pokerstars. They have ruled that it is legal because all it does is collect information and does not interfere with the game.
You can only see what cards people have after a hand if the hand is called down,,,,,,,,,, then you can see what the losing player mucked. All the main sites allow it. You can see that anyway from the hand history.
You could do the same thing it does by writing down all each of the players actions and building up a profile on them. Thats all it does.
But it is a huge advantage to have a record of how a player has played his last 200 or 300 hands broken down into calls, folds, raises, reraise etc.

POINTBREAK

http://www.pokerstars.com/poker/room/prohibited/

Forgot to add this link. Read for yourself. There are dozens of software apps allowed.

POINTBREAK

I've only used Pokertracker so I dont know what the rest of them are like, but I think most of them give a free trial. It can be a bit of a bollox to set up , but well worth the effort when you get used to it.
You can tell at a glance what sort of player you are up against by his 3 main stats which are displayed on the screen beside him. I find the most interesting stat VP....... or VPI........ it means VOLUNTARY PUT IN. If its high, he has a big range of hands that he will play. A low VPI means hes a tight player generally playing premium cards.

zuroph

POINTBREAK wrote: »

I use it on Pokerstars. They have ruled that it is legal because all it does is collect information and does not interfere with the game.
You can only see what cards people have after a hand if the hand is called down,,,,,,,,,, then you can see what the losing player mucked. All the main sites allow it. You can see that anyway from the hand history.
You could do the same thing it does by writing down all each of the players actions and building up a profile on them. Thats all it does.
But it is a huge advantage to have a record of how a player has played his last 200 or 300 hands broken down into calls, folds, raises, reraise etc.

you can't see a mucked hand, thats why its called mucked, If you can see that you're cheating IMO

newbie2

POINTBREAK

zuroph wrote: »

you can't see a mucked hand, thats why its called mucked, If you can see that you're cheating IMO

In a casino poker game ,you can ask to see the mucked cards of theplayer who has called. Its to protect against chip dumping. Online they are visable in the hand history.

zuroph

POINTBREAK wrote: »

In a casino poker game ,you can ask to see the mucked cards of theplayer who has called. Its to protect against chip dumping. Online they are visable in the hand history.

where do i find the hand history? is this the notes I'm taking or getting that software to take for me?

as for casino, why would someone want to dump chips?

POINTBREAK

zuroph

Ive played well over 600,000 hands online, and in at least 15 casinos. I do know the rules. Why do you think I am not giving you the correct info?

zuroph

POINTBREAK wrote: »

zuroph

Ive played well over 600,000 hands online, and in at least 15 casinos. I do know the rules. Why do you think I am not giving you the correct info?

woah, I just asked why someone would want to dump chips. why don't they just cash them in?

POINTBREAK

zuroph wrote: »

where do i find the hand history? is this the notes I'm taking or getting that software to take for me?

as for casino, why would someone want to dump chips?

The hand history on Stars is accessed by clicking the icon on the table. It will also do a video replay of the hand, if you click visualise.
Chip dumping is carried out by cheats to keep their own team player in, or to give him a big chip lead in a tournament.

zuroph

I''ll try it out. thanks.

POINTBREAK

In a cash game with 2 or 3 cheats working as a team they will dump to keep their teammate in the game. If he goes out they lose their advantage.

POINTBREAK

zuroph wrote: »

I''ll try it out. thanks.

Do, and be careful about playing against scandinavians. They use web cams attached to their own PC's that can be accessed by their friends and vice versa. If three of them are playing omaha they can all see 12 cards on the webcam feeds.

newbie2

how can you see 12 cards with a webcam?

i call bullsh1t

Grafter

POINTBREAK wrote: »

In a cash game with 2 or 3 cheats working as a team they will dump to keep their teammate in the game. If he goes out they lose their advantage.

Don't Believe Cheats

Tight Ted

POINTBREAK wrote: »

Do, and be careful about playing against scandinavians. They use web cams attached to their own PC's that can be accessed by their friends and vice versa. If three of them are playing omaha they can all see 12 cards on the webcam feeds.

Wow that's pretty smart.