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Arts Soc and B&L fined 5000 euros
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Am I correct in saying that your society has not been the first ones to be forced to take down posters? Sorry for being cynical but I reckon you, along with B&L, fully knew what you were doing. You say that your posters were only up for 2 or 3 hours but that's all you needed to get free publicity in the college newspapers. But it backfired badly on you and I'm afraid to say I have no sympathy for your predicament.
u reckon wrong. thats fact. not an opinion. u give us too much credit if u think we were thinking about getting free publicity in the college newpapar? the ol michael o'leary strategy might work out in the big world we didnt set out with any intention of harming the college enviornment. they cme down as soon as we got a chance to remove them.
...anyone opposed to the idea of the virginia ball? cowboys and cowgirls dress
i joke..that wud be cheeky ha ha 0 -
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Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »So it should have been, "Virgin Ball: Now with free condoms"
I see absolutely no problem with that..........0 -
El Siglo, your ''B&L and Arts Soc - tossers'' IS OFFENSIVE.
I retract and apologise, obviously humour is lost on people nowadays.How ironic.
How is it ironic? Did you learn that new word recently? Isn't a dictionary still a fine piece of equipment in this day and age with our satellites and the likes!being an arts soc committee member id appreciate a retraction of that.
Not as offended as I am for your group and B&L promoting sex in this manner and you wonder why there's mental health problems in the place when you have this tripe being shoved down your throat all the time, bad enough not having a partner (or worse still being made feel like one is missing out on something), without university compounding the problem. Hence, I WILL NOT RETRACT MY STATEMENT, SAID SOCIETIES ARE STILL TOSSERS!;)The reason its an unfair fine is:
1) The poster was up for all of 2/3 hours max. Basically, no one saw it. We didn't put the event on. It was changed to a rave!
People did see the posters, regardless of length, it's like this; if one were to drop a lollipop onto the floor and claim the "three second rule", it wouldn't make a difference because the lollipop is covered with the same bacteria had it been on the ground for three hours. Hence just because you had 'your' posters up for such a short time, it was enough time to offend. I don't care if your society didn't put the event on, it was still part of this fiasco regardless. Again I don't care if it was changed to a "rave", that kind of a smoke screen or essentially bullshit (pardon my French!) isn't going to work on me.2) There is no legal precedent for this fine.
There was no legal precedent for tackling criminals assets and wealth and yet we are left with the CAB, so because there's no 'legal precedent' there's no way one can be set at all and we're tied into status quo. Precedents are set, just like this one, and for the better!It was a number plucked put of midair.
Prove it then, how do you know this? Ridiculous assertion to make.The 'intercourse' poster from Law Soc that week, was only fined 250 euro and that [poster (featuring a sexual image)] wasn't taken down at all. There seems to be different rules for everyone.
So what if there's different rules, again law soc wasn't trying to play on the emotions of students (regardless of how you retort that was the intention and you were doing this to make money, I'm not stupid as much as you might like to think and as a great woman once told me: "Don't piss on my leg and call it rain!").3) Nothing was set out intentionally, that is the most ridiculous statement I think any of us has ever heard.
How is it ridiculous? It makes perfect sense actually, first years are pretty impressionable, naïve people hence promoting such a activity would generate interest and hence attendance followed by profit (again this a synthesis I've managed to come to the conclusion to and may be open for debate).It, "lose your v plates", was just meant to be a catchy slogan!!
I'm sure it was "meant to be a catchy slogan"! Again I don't care what it was meant, it was how it was perceived that counts, a page three model with her jabs out could be meant as art but in reality it's a little different isn't it?If people are stupid enough to be pressured into anything because of that well... I fear what they'll do in some social situations.
As Einstein once said: "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I am not sure about the former." Human stupidity is without bounds, and more so the stupidity of first years is even more boundless*, again you can't honestly believe that peer pressure doesn't affect us at some stage, seriously it does have tremendous affects. Considering UCD is also a large version of an Irish small town (it is no matter what you think, the cliques within the place are highly prevalent) then peer pressure is going to be a factor no matter what you say.A lot of people here I believe don't have a clue about whats going on at all so unless you actually know what you're talking about... well you get the point.
No I don't "get the point". So because I'm say not from Northern Ireland, I'm therefore not entitled to speak about the place or anything that happens in it? Have you ever heard the thought that it might be nice to have someone "on the outside looking in"? Again the obvious clique culture and nepotism in UCD is astounding at times, however this is prevalent in every other university in the country so nothing new there, it would be nice for the students of "Ireland's premier university" to break the mould but not with groups like this operating.If you knew anything about it, this a huge amount of money that we really can't afford.
How do you know I don't know? Maybe, I too, am a member of one of these societies and I'm criticising them anonymously. What would you have done with the money anyway? Most likely wasted it, we would still see advertisements for parties which are really drink promos in a Dublin nightclub and that's about it really, maybe a 'ball' but even then this a push. No, I think giving money to SWF is indeed the best thing to come from this situation, you've actually helped more people by doing this than anything else. However, given you've just went on a tantrum like some spoiled brat of John O'Donoghue-esque proportions I'd say you've learned nothing and will continue to defend this. Just call it a day, lick your wounds and be happy that some poor (I mean actually poor, not the "I got focked in D2 last night and I'm now totally broke") student can actually pay his/her rent this month or actually eat an adequate meal.
I personally checked your spelling because it just shows, if you can't even defend your petty little society after being fined a hefty €2,500 in a coherent fashion, how are you ever going to serve your members in any decent fashion? Poorly it would seem!:D
Also a concluding comment, UCD is a university not a knocking shop!
*Apologies first years, please don't take it personal, but seriously ye are still on the immature side of things even if you're mature students!
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el sig person, 1. cudnt care about grammer on something like this, live with it. 2. you seem to be the most ignorant 'tosser' i hope i never have the misfortune of meeting! please never attend one of our events. 'lose your v plates' , suggestive or not, el siglo u may wanna think about that some more, the debate will rage on
how many of you guys are on larger society committee's who run weekly events or sit on the board?????? very few, bar the exceptional one or two, actually know what ur talking about and just seem to want to rant on about something!
the lawsoc 'intercourse' was the same week as the v ball was meant to be. the v ball poster was no worse than this. sure u know if its going to a worthy cause why not fine us 10,000 euro or 12,000? like lets go nuts!!!!
at the end of the day i stand by my points. as im sure u narrow minded feminista society haters will too so whats the point? gets us nowhere. and the best bit is im p****d off my t*ts right now so argue on! apology to u guys who aent being d**ks0 -
RandomName2 wrote: »Someone said the word sex on this forum.
They should be fined E5000.
After all, there might be students reading this thread.
I don't see any reason why we should agree with the message promoted by B&L/Arts Soc but we should defend to the death their right to promote it.
'Please teacher can I set up a society?'
'Okay - but you have to behave. I am not entirely happy with you having this responsibility. I am going to monitor you and make sure you don't encourage any bad behaviour'
'Sir, this a free country and we are ****ing adults. Now, with all due respect - mind your own ****ing business'
Stupidest post yet!
Outside of college we have "The Advertising Standards Authority for Ireland" for a reason.
I think you'll find it's not just a case of it being "a free country", being "****ing adults" and minding our "own ****ing business".
You should read the thread and actually find out what is being debated, before you embarass yourself anymore:D:rolleyes:0 -
Stupidest post yet!
Outside of college we have "The Advertising Standards Authority for Ireland" for a reason.
I think you'll find it's not just a case of it being "a free country", being "****ing adults" and minding our "own ****ing business".
You should read the thread and actually find out what is being debated, before you embarass yourself anymore:D:rolleyes:
There is a difference between the ASAI and the Stazi.
A student society is not, as far as I know, a commercial enterprise (if ArtSoc itself reported a net profit in its last audit and distributed this profit to its 'staff', then I apologise.)
The real debate lies in the extent to which UCD is considered public or private property (which, in reality, is a grey area).
If UCD were entirely public property it would merely be subject to national law. However, this is clearly not the case, as the college authorities' mandate takes precedence over national law. If I am on Grafton Street Hugh Brady can't run up to me and tell me to leave Dublin, for instance, but he would be within his rights (subject to committee approval) to do so in UCD.
Now why this is the case, and whether it should be the case, is another matter. UCD itself could not survive for a moment without public funding, and is an educational institution established and maintained by the Irish state. It is otherwise dependent upon students paying the college for revenue, and also upon various connections with commercial enterprises. This is not the same situation as you would find in a private company; where if employees wished to put up posters for a staff-society, upon the property of the company, that it would be up to the discretion of the company whether or not they wanted such posters to go up. Students aren't paid employees. UCD isn't a private company.
Moreover, it would be difficult to countenance the idea that a company such as RyanAir, for instance, could reasonably step in and shut down a staff-society, or fine it for behaviour that it independently determines is inappropriate. Of course, it would also be hard to imagine RyanAir funding a staff society :rolleyes:
But is UCD funding these societies? Is it merely dolling out tax-payers money which has already been designated for student enterprises? Indeed, does Art-Soc actually require this public funding - and is the fine more a case of withdrawing such funds?
I am (happily) surprised that the Recognition Committee (which sounds remarkably like something out of 1984) is half-composed of students, which in my eyes makes its judgments on student affairs far more legitimate. 0 -
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