Imagine launch Midband Ripwave Replacement - WiMAX

inertia99

Thanks lads for the education. Some great posts on this thread. Currently on "3mb" DSL with Imagine but I want to get a faster service. It generally speed tests at around 2mb.

What is the best deal out there at 4mb plus speeds in your opinion, or is it worth waiting for the Wimax offer to see if it is any good? Used mostly for downloading music and movies and streaming movies and TV sports so upload is not a big deal for me.

Thanks

Sponge Bob

If you want reliable and fast try Smart DSL or Magnet DSL

Solair

This is rapidly becoming a textbook example of how not to use PR and social networking to promote a product.

They have over-hyped this and lashed huge amounts of money into the PR launch and then failed to deliver the product.

This has now done serious damage to their reputation and credibility.

Also, why do they have enormous poster adverts in Cork City (and I assume elsewhere too) when they are saying on their website that they don't have any coverage there!

It's a waste of money, it will cause very large volumes of phone calls and emails to their call centres and it's just annoying people by promising something that doesn't actually exist yet.

inertia99

Thanks Sponge Bob. Magnet not in my area but Smart are with bitstream DSL and not a bad offer for €55 including 7mb download, line rental and "free" local and national calls. Its only €4 extra than Imagine for the same package of calls at so called 3mb. I'll see if the Wimax looks good and go with Smart. Cheers.

Into Everything

zod wrote: »

just called them, guy said prices are out on Saturday 7th for DEFINITE

YYYIIIIPPPPPEEEE. Todays the day that the pricing will be released!!!:rolleyes: \they might actually release the pricing as I have received any stupid tweets or facebook crap in the last week. My they reassigned their staff to come up with a pricing plan instead of posting stupid comments.

I was driving into Kilkenny last week and they have a large "Wimax Google It" advert near the Lyrath Hotel.

_Kooli_

Into Everything wrote: »

YYYIIIIPPPPPEEEE. Todays the day that the pricing will be released!!!:rolleyes: \they might actually release the pricing as I have received any stupid tweets or facebook crap in the last week. My they reassigned their staff to come up with a pricing plan instead of posting stupid comments.

I was driving into Kilkenny last week and they have a large "Wimax Google It" advert near the Lyrath Hotel.

At last

Paddy Boy

Imagine have not kept to their promise so far, so I'm not optimistic for an announcement today. Hope I'm wrong:D

~Marky~

Where does it say the pricing is being released today?

Hammer of Thor

Some poster in this thread said he'd been in touch with them by phone and he was assured the pricing details would be released today.

IrishTonyO

This on the facebook site at the moment, if it's true what a waste of time waiting for Imagine!!! Nothing cheap or superfast about this at all!!!!:mad:


"Just off the phone to them..... 1mb €25, 3mb €30 and 7mb €35 all including VAT.No Download limits ! €50 install cost but includes voip phone and hardware. Bundles available €5-€10 on top.
Now for the down side......
Blanchardstown only available this week and Carrickmines the week after so it remains to be seen how long it takes to roll out phase 1.
Should have had the website updated first in my opinion"

Was holding off waiting for this but now am going with either UPC or Smart, better value if you ask me. Don't think after this debacle I would even dream of going with Imagine, their service would have to be free for that to happen!!!!!

MagicMarker

IrishTonyO wrote: »

This on the facebook site at the moment, if it's true what a waste of time waiting for Imagine!!! Nothing cheap or superfast about this at all!!!!:mad:


"Just off the phone to them..... 1mb €25, 3mb €30 and 7mb €35 all including VAT.No Download limits ! €50 install cost but includes voip phone and hardware. Bundles available €5-€10 on top.
Now for the down side......
Blanchardstown only available this week and Carrickmines the week after so it remains to be seen how long it takes to roll out phase 1.
Should have had the website updated first in my opinion"

Was holding off waiting for this but now am going with either UPC or Smart, better value if you ask me. Don't think after this debacle I would even dream of going with Imagine, their service would have to be free for that to happen!!!!!

Where are you reading that? I can't see it, although I don't use facebook so maybe I'm missing something?

Sponge Bob

That is a third party post to Facebook, they have not 'released' any prices yet as in updated their website .

Are these Symmetrical products like Breeze or Asymmetric products like DSL can ANYBODY who has allegedly used it tell us yet ??

IrishTonyO

here it is

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Dublin-Ireland/imagine-WiMAX/118081615786?v=feed&story_fbid=197055970201

MagicMarker

IrishTonyO wrote: »

here it is

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Dublin-Ireland/imagine-WiMAX/118081615786?v=feed&story_fbid=197055970201

Nope, not seeing it. Do I have to be a member?

Marlow

Sponge Bob wrote: »

That is a third party post to Facebook, they have not 'released' any prices yet as in updated their website .

Are these Symmetrical products like Breeze or Asymmetric products like DSL can ANYBODY who has allegedly used it tell us yet ??

Can't be symmetric, when the video showed a max of 2 mbit/s upload.

/M

cojomo2

was just on to them there..

i got a price for 3 meg..30 euro, or 40 euro with a call bundle.

Not impressed, I though this was supposed to be cheaper? I'm currently with NTL, I get 3mb for 20 euro bundled with my tv pack. With out the tv pack i think its 24 euro...why would I bother moving?

My parents are in the market for broadband and phone..they can get this (3meg)from Perlico for 46 euro..with no installation fee...so its much of a muchness ..if they go with perlico they will be getting a traditional landline, they wont have to take a gamble on this new wimax service which may or may not be the job?

They need to be cheaper..I dont see this taking off..especially for people like myself who couldnt care less about having a home phone..my mobile does the job grand.

Big load of hype for nothing..expensive and not exactly mindblowing..max speed of 7meg..

MagicMarker

Hmmm, I'm paying €32 for 10mb with UPC.

Did you get a price for 7mb?

_Kooli_

At those prices, they can stick it.

cojomo2

MagicMarker wrote: »

Hmmm, I'm paying €32 for 10mb with UPC.

Did you get a price for 7mb?

yeah, 7mb is 35 euro, or 45 euro with unlimited local/national/uk landline calls.

Hammer of Thor

I dunno, if those prices are official they're not that bad, not what they said they would be, but still not bad! Have to see what their "unlimited usage*" is, last time * meant 20 gigs a month for me, hardly unlimited, and the latency had better be low.

inertia99

Guy from Imagine said half price and superfast on TV and radio all those weeks ago, those prices are not exactly half and what is so superfast??? Half would be €28, not €45

An extra tenner a month with Smart for 7Mb on reliable low contention DSL including line rental and all local and national calls and I get to keep my traditional land line and telephone number, so I don't have to risk the Imagine Wimax network:mad:

Wasted time waiting for this, on the way to Smart....

IrishTonyO

Company Speed Installation Type Cost

UPC 10mb Free Cable 32
Imagine 7mb 50 Wimax 35
Homevision 7.6mb Free DSL 37.60(inc.line)


Just a couple of comparisons above, anyone see anything close to 50% cheaper??? Imagine versus UPC is over 9% deaer, Imagine versus Homevision 7% cheaper. If 35 is up to 50% cheaper anyone know who charges 70 for 7mb???

I am so pissed off that I waited for this, all it is is the same as available anywhere, but on unproven equipment and service. Imagine have now such a bad public imagine, it will be an uphill struggle for them. Pity I really thought this was going to be something good :mad: But its like all the others so much hype over nothing superfast or cheap!!!!

Paddy Boy

I am surprised to learn companies like Imagine can make such blatantly false claims about what we can expect from them price wise and speed wise only to learn neither is true. I am sure there's a law against this somewhere.

inertia99

IrishTonyO wrote: »

Company Speed Installation Type Cost

UPC 10mb Free Cable 32
Imagine 7mb 50 Wimax 35
Homevision 7.6mb Free DSL 37.60(inc.line)

Is that 37.60 from Homevision including standard eircom line rental of €25.50?? That means 7Mb DSL for only €12?? Sounds too good to be true?

IrishTonyO

inertia99 wrote: »

Is that 37.60 from Homevision including standard eircom line rental of €25.50?? That means 7Mb DSL for only €12?? Sounds too good to be true?

got the price from www.callcosts.ie not sure how up-to-date they are.

http://callcosts.ie/broadband/Broadband_Calculator.175.LE.asp

Have been looking into changing mty broadband for weeks now and talk about a maze. Everytime I decide on one read bad reviews or experience bad customer support with no phone call returned or no emails replied to. Wish I could find one good company that does what it says :mad:

Sponge Bob

Homevision do €29.99 20mbit BB + Line Rental at I assume = standard €25.50 for a grand total of €55.49 a month but I cannot get past the line test barrier . It is available in parts of Dublin .

Prices here, add line rental to get the total .

http://www.homevision.ie/broadband1.aspx#10

zod

just called them .. 7MB is the top speed.

What a complete and utter waste of time .. muppets.

Sponge Bob

zod wrote: »

just called them .. 7MB is the top speed.

Fecks sake Zod, that is "superfast" 7mbits not just any old 7mbits , get with the hype there willya

IrishTonyO

Details on the website now at last!!!!!!

copacetic

its pretty meh in fairness, also their 'coverage map' which up until now showed pretty good coverage in Dublin, now shows practically no coverage in Dublin?! They have loads of 'exisiting wireless coverage' but none of them are marked as wimax coming soon?

All that delay to launch this pile of crap? what a joke.

pistolpetes11

I would think the existing coverage should be upgraded to WiMax, if it has not already been done,

If not I can only find 6 Live WiMax sites

http://www.imagine.ie/wimax-splash/view-coverage-locations.html

IrishTonyO

Can anyone work out where is covered from the map? It's fine showing the masts but how far does coverage extend? Only 6 wimax base stations but no indication of what areas they cover???

n0t5an3

I have looked at the map on the website and it looks like the "i"'s in orange are Wimax the Blue one's are planed roll-out for Nov.

IrishTonyO

n0t5an3 wrote: »

I have looked at the map on the website and it looks like the "i"'s in orange are Wimax the Blue one's are planed roll-out for Nov.

We can see that but not how far the coverage from each base station extends!

inertia99

IrishTonyO wrote: »

got the price from www.callcosts.ie not sure how up-to-date they are[URL="http://"][/URL]

ComReg up to date?? Don't make me laugh:D

Checked on Homevision website and 7Mb is 30.99 not including line rental, so total for 7Mb DSL and line rental is 56.49 without any local and national calls. Smart looks better option at 55 including call pack, 45 without.

I won't hold my breath for the Wimax rollout. If it takes them three weeks just to get the prices up on the website how long will it take them to actually get hardware up and running??? :rolleyes:

thebman

prices aren't that bad really. They are offering fixed and mobile solutions.

Biggest problem I see is not being able to control contention. Also as no packages seem to have download restrictions expect speeds to slow down fast.

cormie

Hmm, I'm a bit confused, as I said earlier, I have IBB Ripwave, paying 18.95 per month for 1mb and o2 add on for 7.50 per month, a total of lets say E25 a month.

Now their "wimax broadband" seems pretty bad compared to the deal I'm on and I can't see any advantage to it. However, am I right in thinking I can get the "mobile wimax" for just E10 a month for 3mb? As in, that's 3 times faster than what I'm on at the moment, for half the price and I can cancel my o2 data package as well since I can take this with me?

copacetic

cormie wrote: »

Hmm, I'm a bit confused, as I said earlier, I have IBB Ripwave, paying 18.95 per month for 1mb and o2 add on for 7.50 per month, a total of lets say E25 a month.

Now their "wimax broadband" seems pretty bad compared to the deal I'm on and I can't see any advantage to it. However, am I right in thinking I can get the "mobile wimax" for just E10 a month for 3mb? As in, that's 3 times faster than what I'm on at the moment, for half the price and I can cancel my o2 data package as well since I can take this with me?

it would seem so, but the coverage would be very poor so the 'mobile' aspect of it might be pretty limited. thats actually not a bad deal for people to try out the service itself to see how it actually works..

Although possibly not if you have to sign up for 12 months as it says.

copacetic

thebman wrote: »

prices aren't that bad really. They are offering fixed and mobile solutions.

Biggest problem I see is not being able to control contention. Also as no packages seem to have download restrictions expect speeds to slow down fast.

Check out their terms, talk about taking the piss!

Use of Network bandwidth is expected to be reasonable and moderate. You must ensure that your activity does not improperly degrade any other user's use of the imagine service, nor represent an unusually large burden on the network. In addition, you must ensure that your activities do not improperly restrict imagine's ability to deliver the service and monitor the service and/or network.

Fair Use Policy – Broadband
A fair use policy applies to all WiMax Broadband Packages. The WiMax Broadband Service is a shared service and imagine reserves the right to manage the Network to ensure that all users get fair access to the Network. If users make excessive use of their WiMax Broadband Service their service may be restricted or they may be asked to subscribe to an alternative WiMax Broadband Package(s) more suitable to their usage. imagine at it’s sole discretion will define from time to time what constitutes excessive use of the WiMax Service(s) Once Customers exceed this level they will have the option to upgrade their WiMax Broadband Package(s) or their service speed may be restricted by imagine. In the event of the Customer refusing or neglecting to select an alternative WiMax Broadband Package(s), imagine may, upon due notice, terminate the provision of the WiMax Broadband Service to the Customer

inertia99

cormie wrote: »

Hmm, I'm a bit confused, as I said earlier, I have IBB Ripwave, paying 18.95 per month for 1mb and o2 add on for 7.50 per month, a total of lets say E25 a month.

Now their "wimax broadband" seems pretty bad compared to the deal I'm on and I can't see any advantage to it. However, am I right in thinking I can get the "mobile wimax" for just E10 a month for 3mb? As in, that's 3 times faster than what I'm on at the moment, for half the price and I can cancel my o2 data package as well since I can take this with me?

It would look to me that you have to subscribe for one of the packages of Wimax and you can only get the mobile broadband as an add on to your subscription.

jellies

cormie wrote: »

Hmm, I'm a bit confused, as I said earlier, I have IBB Ripwave, paying 18.95 per month for 1mb and o2 add on for 7.50 per month, a total of lets say E25 a month.

Now their "wimax broadband" seems pretty bad compared to the deal I'm on and I can't see any advantage to it. However, am I right in thinking I can get the "mobile wimax" for just E10 a month for 3mb? As in, that's 3 times faster than what I'm on at the moment, for half the price and I can cancel my o2 data package as well since I can take this with me?

If you're an existing Ripwave customer then you'll be given the option to keep your existing package or migrate to a new WiMax package.

The only thing that will change is that the Ripwave modem will be swapped out for a new WiMax modem.

At that point you will have the option to take one of the new WiMax broadband packs or a mobile dongle if you wish. All the WiMax broadband packs include a phone line and number.

So...no need to do anything until the Ripwave network is upgraded in your area and you'll be automatically swapped over.

Hope this helps...

copacetic

inertia99 wrote: »

It would look to me that you have to subscribe for one of the packages of Wimax and you can only get the mobile broadband as an add on to your subscription.

No, it clearly has an add on price for it of €5 a month for 5 free days. This is seperate from the stand alone prices of 10 or 15 a month.

cormie

Thanks for the replies everyone!

copacetic wrote: »

it would seem so, but the coverage would be very poor so the 'mobile' aspect of it might be pretty limited. thats actually not a bad deal for people to try out the service itself to see how it actually works..

Although possibly not if you have to sign up for 12 months as it says.

Yeah if I can get 3mb for 10 a month that would be pretty good alright, would be nice if there was a trial period to see what it's like before committing.

jellies wrote: »

If you're an existing Ripwave customer then you'll be given the option to keep your existing package or migrate to a new WiMax package.

The only thing that will change is that the Ripwave modem will be swapped out for a new WiMax modem.

At that point you will have the option to take one of the new WiMax broadband packs or a mobile dongle if you wish. All the WiMax broadband packs include a phone line and number.

So...no need to do anything until the Ripwave network is upgraded in your area and you'll be automatically swapped over.

Hope this helps...

Might be tempted to go for the mobile option alright. A phone number will have no benefit for me. I just want reliable broadband that wont cut off or crawl to a standstill for a good price. As I said, 18.95 for what I have now is fine. I wouldn't like to pay more if I don't have to, but if I can get 3x the speed for €10 using the mobile dongle, than that's pretty good.

Sponge Bob

It is not worth getting a mobile add on with that number of live masts .

Does 'mobile' apply to data or to voice and data ??

Marlow

thebman wrote: »

prices aren't that bad really. They are offering fixed and mobile solutions.

Where do you see a fixed wimax solution there ?

Those home broadband packages are still indoor units. Not an antenna mounted on your roof. It's a mobile unit, that you place in your window and connect your PC/Phone to and that has a build-in wireless router.

/M

thebman

Marlow wrote: »

Where do you see a fixed wimax solution there ?

Those home broadband packages are still indoor units. Not an antenna mounted on your roof. It's a mobile unit, that you place in your window and connect your PC/Phone to and that has a build-in wireless router.

/M

Oh thought that was fixed

Can't see getting 7Mb from the home WiMAX box.

jellies

thebman wrote: »

Oh thought that was fixed

Can't see getting 7Mb from the home WiMAX box.

Each customer is prequalified, depending on their address and proximity to the mast. Those that are closest to the mast can get either an indoor unit or an external antenna . Those further away (but still within coveage) just get the external antenna option. So, if you wanted 7Mb and an external antenna you can get it. At the moment there is no difference in set-up charge. Not sure if this will change in the future tho.

Marlow

jellies wrote: »

Each customer is prequalified, depending on their address and proximity to the mast. Those that are closest to the mast can get either an indoor unit or an external antenna . Those further away (but still within coveage) just get the external antenna option. So, if you wanted 7Mb and an external antenna you can get it. At the moment there is no difference in set-up charge. Not sure if this will change in the future tho.

Where is that information outlined ?

If that's the case, it's not too bad, the only problem then is the uncontrolled contention factor from moving customers.

Also, I can see an issue arising from bad signal customers dragging things down, as even customers with the wimax hub can move / take it with them to other areas.

/M

Sponge Bob

jellies wrote: »

Each customer is prequalified, depending on their address and proximity to the mast. Those that are closest to the mast can get either an indoor unit or an external antenna .

Funny how that never got mentioned till now , it changes everything . This goes to show that real communication triumphs over ****ing Twittering all the time

Those further away (but still within coverage) just get the external antenna option. So, if you wanted 7Mb and an external antenna you can get it. At the moment there is no difference in set-up charge. Not sure if this will change in the future tho.

If someone has a 3.5Ghz Breeze Antenna correctly pointed at a mast today today can they simply swap Alvarion for Motorola CPE Jellies or can it be done after a simple connector change downstairs by an engineer or must the whole lot be swapped as in cable antenna and cpe ??

Will the cpe thus enabled be mobile ( as in portable and battery operated ) to a different sector with a better signal ??

Thats out of interest seeing as Athlone is being done soon and it would be a pain to take the lot on the train to Dublin with me

jellies

Sponge Bob wrote: »

Funny how that never got mentioned till now , it changes everything . This goes to show that real communication triumphs over ****ing Twittering all the time



If someone has a 3.5Ghz Breeze Antenna correctly pointed at a mast today today can they simply swap Alvarion for Motorola CPE Jellies or can it be done after a simple connector change downstairs by an engineer or must the whole lot be swapped as in cable antenna and cpe ??

Will the cpe thus enabled be mobile ( as in portable and battery operated ) to a different sector with a better signal ??

Thats out of interest seeing as Athlone is being done soon and it would be a pain to take the lot on the train to Dublin with me

Please don't start me on engineers vs marketeers...;)

BreezeMax to WiMax is a full swap out of the IDU and ODU or migration to the indoor unit (CPEi 775). The BreezeMax stuff is rev d WiMax so not compatible with the Moto gear.

The indoor unit can be taken from sector to sector, but the fixed antenna is just that...fixed. Although there was one IBB customer who manually moved their Breeze install from one side of Moore Street to the other when they moved shop. Confused the hell out of the lads doing the call out !!