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Limerick port for supertankers!
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Supertanker port AND a monorail - we're all going to be rich! Rich i tell's you!
Why would Supertankers want to berth on a small Island like Ireland with a tiny domestic Market, located as it is a stones throw sail from Mainland Europe without any realistically viable Mass Transport links onwards to their actual destination Markets?
Tax breaks surely doesn't cut it here?
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Why would Supertankers want to berth on a small Island like Ireland with a tiny domestic Market, located as it is a stones throw sail from Mainland Europe without any realistically viable Mass Transport links onwards to their actual destination Markets?
Tax breaks surely doesn't cut it here?
They would not is the simple answer. But the local media like to try and make out that Limerick is constantly on the cusp of being the biggest and best at something without anything actually ever coming of it, much like how the national media like to try and make out that Ireland is the gateway to Europe for all the biggest companies on the planet and that they all want to be based in Ireland as it is in the heart of Europe, despite the fact it is at the most western point of Europe and has no direct transport links in the manner that the UK has with the Chunnel or like how the rest of Europe can use the road systems to transport goods.
For some reason Irish/Limerick media seems to think that companies will want to ship their goods meant for mainland Europe to the Shannon estuary, so that they can be taken by rail or truck to the other side of Ireland to be put onto another ship to mainland Europe, rather than the companies bringing their ships directly to a port in mainland europe and using the road networks with the delay of having to use Ireland.0 -
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No one is listening - a FRICKING GIANT MONORAIL!! All the way to Rotterdam from Foynes. Filthy rich FILTHY FRICKING RICH!!;)
No no no the Monorail will go from Foynes to New York. Just think....a transatlantic Monorail. It just can't fail.
Plus it will be worth at least 10 million euro to the local economy.;) 0 -
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Why would Supertankers want to berth on a small Island like Ireland with a tiny domestic Market, located as it is a stones throw sail from Mainland Europe without any realistically viable Mass Transport links onwards to their actual destination Markets?
Tax breaks surely doesn't cut it here?
One word transshipment. You off load on the periphery of a large market and head off again for a fill. Most ports in Europe can't accommodate these ships so on paper it makes a lot of sense. The same goes for containers. In practice, there's still a good bit of development potential for Continental ports.
The local impact economic argument is actually pretty weak IMHO. It will require huge tracks of land to accommodate enormous storage tanks and vast concrete covered container yards. These are highly automated industries and so labour will be minimal in relation to the scale of the site. There is a huge oil terminal in the Shetland's called Sullom Voe, but then of course we've all heard of it and the fabulous wealth the Shetlanders enjoy...
The other Irish place that tried this was Bantry and they still remember the Betelgeuse.0 -
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One word transshipment. You off load on the periphery of a large market and head off again for a fill. Most ports in Europe can't accommodate these ships so on paper it makes a lot of sense. The same goes for containers. In practice, there's still a good bit of development potential for Continental ports.
The local impact economic argument is actually pretty weak IMHO. It will require huge tracks of land to accommodate enormous storage tanks and vast concrete covered container yards. These are highly automated industries and so labour will be minimal in relation to the scale of the site. There is a huge oil terminal in the Shetland's called Sullom Voe, but then of course we've all heard of it and the fabulous wealth the Shetlanders enjoy...
The other Irish place that tried this was Bantry and they still remember the Betelgeuse.
I've no intention of arguing with you because you seem to know what you're on about - But how does it make sense to offload:
X 1000
every week in Ireland and then head off to refill your Supertanker holds when you have a logistical nightmare scenario to get them to their ultimate destination?
- Also of course bearing in mind that the existing Infrastructure in Limerick/Foynes is minimal & that we have a road network inferior to much of Central America with the added problem of lots and lots of salt water as a final hurdle?
Surely anywhere, but anywhere on mainland Europe makes infinitely more sense?0 -
Why would Supertankers want to berth on a small Island like Ireland with a tiny domestic Market, located as it is a stones throw sail from Mainland Europe without any realistically viable Mass Transport links onwards to their actual destination Markets?
Tax breaks surely doesn't cut it here?
Rotterdam is at capacity and the north sea is congested.
Loughhill in Limerick is a natural deep water which can take super sized vessels would be ideal as an overflow for Rotterdam. Good spot for transatlantic containers to pull in too and be offloaded to feeder vessels that can go to UK/Mainland europe.
It would make marginal difference with transit times from USA or far east.
The knock on effect with ships crews landing in shannon airport and staying in Limerick hotels would be massive as well as crews departing ships to go home or waiting to board other vessels. Nothing to say cruise ships could not land their too. Easy access to both Kerry and Clare.
The knock knock knockers are out in force today. You can't do this, you can't do that.0 -
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I've no intention of arguing with you because you seem to know what you're on about - But how does it make sense to offload:X 1000
every week in Ireland and then head off to refill your Supertanker holds when you have a logistical nightmare scenario to get them to their ultimate destination?
- Also of course bearing in mind that the existing Infrastructure in Limerick/Foynes is minimal & that we have a road network inferior to much of Central America with the added problem of lots and lots of salt water as a final hurdle?
Surely anywhere, but anywhere on mainland Europe makes infinitely more sense?
Transshipping, stick them onto feeder ships and distribute them by sea to other European ports. This is essentially what happens today with small container ships coming into Dublin/Cork/Belfast and discharging and loading for the big ports of the UK and the continent.
Having worked in the industry for a number of years (including supertankers) there's plenty of capacity left in Europe and the current recession has left ports underutilised.
Shipping companies are the scabbiest and stingiest slave drivers around, if there was a cheaper way for them to operate they'd be doing it already!0 -
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