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Rotterdam Marathon 2010

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,473 ✭✭✭Roddy23


    :mad:

    After paying for flights to Eindhoven, and thinking I had everything wrapped up regarding getting to Rotterdam and staying there till the Monday, Ryanair have gone and put a spanner in the works.

    They've notified me of a change in my travel dates. So according to Ryanair, I'm now flying into Eindhoven on the Sunday, and flying home on the Monday, as opposed to flying in on the Saturday.

    Has anyone else received this notification, or is it just a case of them overbooking the flight?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,905 ✭✭✭misty floyd


    Roddy, I got this too. Fair enough making changes an hour or so but a whole day :eek: I filled out a form (from the link on the ryanair email) and have asked for a full refund. They will review it and they better give me it back. Now I think of it. I asked for a refund for the return flight also.....does anyone know if they will honour that refund? Oops.

    I've booked instead with Aerlingus flying on the Saturday and returning on the Monday (dub-Amdam-Amdam-dub). Cost a few extra quid but is cheaper since I checked it back in November.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,124 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    Do you think we'll be able to get Aer Lingus to repaint their plane to Schipol in BoardsAC colours seeing as it's now going to become the team bus? :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,473 ✭✭✭Roddy23


    Roddy, I got this too. Fair enough making changes an hour or so but a whole day I filled out a form (from the link on the ryanair email) and have asked for a full refund. They will review it and they better give me it back. Now I think of it. I asked for a refund for the return flight also.....does anyone know if they will honour that refund? Oops.

    I've booked instead with Aerlingus flying on the Saturday and returning on the Monday (dub-Amdam-Amdam-dub). Cost a few extra quid but is cheaper since I checked it back in November.

    I've done the same thing. I've cancelled the flights with Ryanair, and gone for the aerlingus flights for the 10th and out the 12th. Think I fly into Amsterdam for 14:20, and then out on the Monday about 15:30 or something like that. Ye I did the same thing, a full refund. If they don't honour it I'll be well p1ssed off.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,029 ✭✭✭Pisco Sour


    Ryanair! What utter twats! Now in order to get similar flight times with aer lingus I'll have to pay a good 60 euro extra!

    I received no word from Ryanair about the status of my refund request so I rang them, and after about 10 minutes (of many many annoying messages and options) I eventually got through to them and they told me that I'll receive my refund within 7-28 days and it will be put back on my credit card. I had to dig this information out of them!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 420 ✭✭KentuckyPete


    Started the early morning training this week - this morning being the first one - a steady 6 miler. Man, it was difficult to get out of the scratcher at 06:00 and out into a cold easterly headwind in the pitch dark. Not much joy running either - the body needs a bit more wakeup time to get going properly - struggled along at 7:45 pace. Also felt the hangover from 1.5km in the pool from last night

    Doing around 20 miles spread over the weekdays and 12 miles on Sundays at present along with a pool session or two. Ramp-up to longer spins starts after Dungarvan. Feb 1 to March 20 will cover some serious ground!

    Can't really get fired up yet - Rotterdam feels too far away or something...


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,124 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    Mornings are not fun and I don't think I could manage to get out fo a run as early as that in the day. I'm glad that Rotterdam actually kicks off at 11am, even if that is really only 10am for us.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,473 ✭✭✭Roddy23


    Sorry for derailing this into another Rant at Ryanair thread, but has anybody heard from their Accounts Dept yet? I got an email again this morning, the exact same as the previous one, telling me that my flights had been postponed until April 11th. Weird seen as I had already filled out my refurnd form.

    Moving on, how's everybody's training going? hopefully I'm progressing nicely. I'm sort of following Hal Higdon's novice plan 1, but have to make changes to my LSR this week, and swap them around the following weekend, as I'm down to run the Raheny 5mile. I might try to get out for about 4-5miles on the Saturday, just to keep the mileage in the legs, but I'll see how it goes. The following weekend, my LSR will be 13miles, so I'll have 10 weeks from then to D-day, to get up to 20miles and a taper of 10-14days after that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 420 ✭✭KentuckyPete


    Trying to figure a nutrition strategy for Rotterdam at present. Checked up the refereshment plan on the event website they have a diagram of a drinking cup with some sort of insert and written beside it:

    " At each 5K Point along the route you can find a refreshment station. They are clearly recognizable and consist of several booths. At each refreshment station are enough booths available. Walk to the next booth if there are to many people at the first one. You’ll find water and Extran thirst-quencher at each booth. At the 20K station you can also find extra carbohydrate (Extran Energy). And at the 25K, 30K, 35K and 40K there is also tea available.The new drinking system will be used at all refreshment stations on the course. To avoid stomach and intestinal problems the organization does not hand out fruit at the stations. There will be bananas available in the finish area."

    So, am trying to figure out how to take on board sufficient water and wondering how these cups work. Has anyone done this race before? If so, some questions for you:
    1. Is the cup insert a sponge or some sort of plastic lid?
    2. Are the water drinks already in the cups with the insert in place or do you need to add the insert yourself?
    3. What are these "booths"? Is the word a literal translation from the local language or are there actual booths one must enter? Or do helpers hold out the drinks in the usual way?
    4. Extran thirst quencher seems to be some sort of standard drink - " a hypotonic sports drink. Its exceptional composition of maltodextrin, fructose and minerals ensures an immediate and sustained hydration.This drink is scientifically formulated to be quickly absorbed by the body, providing carbohydrates and minerals in precisely the right quantities to ward off the risk of cramps, headaches and low energy and maintain even levels of performance." according to a commercial website selling the product

    So, is it mixed up and ready in different cups?

    Extram Energy looks like your normal booster drink. Seems to be a big cycling product which is not surprising in that part of the world. Badly planned nutrition strategy during the race was definitely a factor in my poor last six miles in Dublin. Want to avoid a recurrence if possible. Especially as Rotterdam could be quite warm on April 11th :eek:


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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,124 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    I hope that is just a badly bablefished write up by them, would have expected the Dutch to have someone come up with a better English language explanation though. If that was the explanation for the water stations in Dublin or a UK marathon then I'd be a bit concerned with the talk about "booths", "walk to the next booth" and "drinking system".


  • Registered Users Posts: 223 ✭✭Moycullen1


    Damned cups. Damn damn damn!


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,124 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    Moycullen1 wrote: »
    Damned cups. Damn damn damn!

    Not quite that bad I don't think. Cannot link to specific pages on their site, but if you go to Participants->Drinking System there is a picture on that page of a cup with a lid with holes in by the looks of it.

    Not as good as the little bottles they had in Dublin, but could be worse.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 420 ✭✭KentuckyPete


    robinph wrote: »
    Not quite that bad I don't think. Cannot link to specific pages on their site, but if you go to Participants->Drinking System there is a picture on that page of a cup with a lid with holes in by the looks of it.

    Not as good as the little bottles they had in Dublin, but could be worse.

    I'm going to assume the lid is on there and that the cup is handed to you. Hoping that by taking water at each station I should get enough overall. Will have to slow down to drink though. I'm probably looking at a 4 gel strategy - 10k, 20k, 30k and one more after 30. Might go for a few squirts of that energy drink at 20k. Was so whacked in Dublin that I couldn't swallow after 30k - not even water after 35k. I really don't want that again!


  • Registered Users Posts: 223 ✭✭Moycullen1


    Is it just me or does anyone else find it hilarious that tea is served at the last four drink stations. Back to the cups though. Personally I like being able to sip from a bottle between stations rather than having to gulp it down as you shuffle away from the 'booth'. Even if the lid/insert/widgety-thingy was secured with insulation tape I still cant imagine drinking from it without spilling it even at a slow jog. Not that it will probably matter with the way my training is going! I wonder what the tea will be served in, or on, or with!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,608 ✭✭✭donothoponpop


    So, is it mixed up and ready in different cups?

    Extram Energy looks like your normal booster drink.

    The cups are regular paper cups, topped with a sponge disc with two triangles to drink through (think pacman with another mouth). Very effective to drink from, and you have a ready-filled sponge to drink from, or wipe your brow with.

    Wouldn't recommend drinking the extram unless you are used to it.

    Forgot about the tea, I was glad of it when I died at 30k last year, as I was of the orange segments the spectators give out at that stage.

    You'll never run a better organized marathon.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 420 ✭✭KentuckyPete


    The cups are regular paper cups, topped with a sponge disc with two triangles to drink through (think pacman with another mouth). Very effective to drink from, and you have a ready-filled sponge to drink from, or wipe your brow with.

    Wouldn't recommend drinking the extram unless you are used to it.

    Forgot about the tea, I was glad of it when I died at 30k last year, as I was of the orange segments the spectators give out at that stage.

    You'll never run a better organized marathon.

    Thanks dnhop. Not having seen these cups before I was a bit worried. The sponge sounds like a great idea. Do the helpers hand them to you or do you have to go and get them off a table (or in a "booth")?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,608 ✭✭✭donothoponpop


    Thanks dnhop. Not having seen these cups before I was a bit worried. The sponge sounds like a great idea. Do the helpers hand them to you or do you have to go and get them off a table (or in a "booth")?

    Very long tables, (with a simple "roof" cover for shading, I think), helpers hand the drinks, more long tables towards the back where you can grab another if you want.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,656 ✭✭✭village runner


    Thanks dnhop. Not having seen these cups before I was a bit worried. The sponge sounds like a great idea. Do the helpers hand them to you or do you have to go and get them off a table (or in a "booth")?
    I made a big bubu last year. I drank from the cups with the sponge on. It soaked up the water and i didnt get as much as i thought i did(only realised after race)
    In berlin they give you a sponge. My advise would be to get a baby sponge as the marathon is at 11am. Found it great in berlin. It get really warm and dehydration might come into it. easy to hold it in your hand.
    So what i wouold do is grab 2 or 3(a 3 second stop at a water station x 5 times wont wreck your time. It will make sure you get in enough liquids. I actually stopped at prob 5 water stations last year in berlin. As i was wearing a garmin i just sped up 100 yds before i went into the station and
    drank one, threw another one over my sponge, increase the pace until i got to target pace and slowed it down again.
    Point is i learnt from Rotterdam.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,029 ✭✭✭Pisco Sour


    How much water should one take on board during a marathon? With it being my first I really havent a clue. I've heard that its just as bad to take on too much water as too little. But what is too much water?

    How's everyone's training going? I plan to hit an 18 miler this saturday, which will take me over the 200 mile mark in my training. After that I plan to do a 20 miler (3 weeks later) and then after that, all things going well it will be a nice easy run in to the marathon!

    What are people's goal times? 3:59.59 for myself. I should be somewhere between 3:50 and 4:10 I'd imagine!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,608 ✭✭✭donothoponpop


    I actually stopped at prob 5 water stations last year in berlin.

    Always a good strategy. The few seconds you "lose" will be more than made up by being properly hydrated.


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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,124 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    Just got the email through with the details of my race numbe, I'm down for starting in pen D. Seems that its a bit Willy Wonka when we pick up our numbers as well, if your race number is in a golden envelope then you win a holiday.

    Edit: Its seems that I messed up on filling in my details though as they have me down as living in IERLAND. <doh>


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 911 ✭✭✭heffsarmy


    Got my number too, got into the B pen, niceone.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,124 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    ^ Don't forget to send them the proof for that.

    I think the D one was as far forward as you could get without needing proof of a time. Next time I'll be able to get next pen forward, if it all goes better than to plan.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 911 ✭✭✭heffsarmy


    Got an email yesterday sayin that I'm in the B section, sent them my Edinburgh result from last year, also noticed IERLAND


  • Registered Users Posts: 211 ✭✭TJC


    I was hoping to run this as my first marathon but unfortunately got injured (Damn snow and ice!)
    I had asked would they let me into the C section and they had said it would be no prob. They said that i would have to contact them after receiving my number...
    So if u planning on goin under 3 hrs then drop them a line and they mite let u into the C pen..


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,124 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    I'd like to get a sub 3 and in theory am capable of it, but getting a C on my number would be a bit too much like comitting to a time target and I'm not prepared to do that. I'll stick with the plan of getting a nice surprise of breaking it from the D pen rather than failing to get it from the C pen.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,951 ✭✭✭aero2k


    04072511 wrote: »
    How much water should one take on board during a marathon? With it being my first I really havent a clue. I've heard that its just as bad to take on too much water as too little. But what is too much water?
    I reckon I managed 1.5-2 litres in DCM '09. I think it depends on conditions and personal preference. I tend to lose a lot of weight on long runs so I try to replace it as I go.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 420 ✭✭KentuckyPete


    I'm in the D pen too. I'm going for 3:20 so if I see you robinph I'll make sure to let you off ahead of me ;)

    20 miles LSR yesterday - 5 slightly faster than PMP, 10 at LSR pace and 5 at slightly faster than PMP - right in the thick of the distance work at present. Still trying to absorb the advice from Tergat et al on the PMP Workouts and Pace thread to be honest

    Incidentally, we should be glad we're able to train away this past two months. I've been in and out to mainland Europe a bit for work over the last few weeks and the snow, ice and minus temperatures are murder - they haven't had a break since mid-December! Gimme that damp Atlantic weather any time :P


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,124 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    woddle
    04072511
    Moycullen1
    Roddy23
    How Strange
    ULstudent
    Tunguska
    heffsarmy
    misty floyd
    robinph
    pug_
    runsalot
    KentuckyPete

    List of names lifted from the end of the Spring Marathons thread that spawned this one.

    So, with only just over a month to go how is it all going for everyone?

    I know I've not quite been managing to get in enough miles myself, but that has never stopped me before and barring a leg falling off between now and then I should be good to go. Still have to decide what time I'm going to set the pace on my watch for and keep varying between setting it for anything from 3hrs pace to 3:20 pace. The thinking being that if it shows me ahead of pace I'll feel better on the way round, whereas the 3hr pace is just a pipe dream, but would allow for me making easier calculations in my tired head on the way to figure out where I'm really up to.

    There is yet the highly important task of figuring out a potential venue for post race pints, so does anyone know somewhere suitable? There is also the possibility of meeting up on the Saturday as well and seeing who can eat the most pasta.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,029 ✭✭✭Pisco Sour


    robinph wrote: »
    woddle
    04072511
    Moycullen1
    Roddy23
    How Strange
    ULstudent
    Tunguska
    heffsarmy
    misty floyd
    robinph
    pug_
    runsalot
    KentuckyPete

    List of names lifted from the end of the Spring Marathons thread that spawned this one.

    So, with only just over a month to go how is it all going for everyone?

    I know I've not quite been managing to get in enough miles myself, but that has never stopped me before and barring a leg falling off between now and then I should be good to go. Still have to decide what time I'm going to set the pace on my watch for and keep varying between setting it for anything from 3hrs pace to 3:20 pace. The thinking being that if it shows me ahead of pace I'll feel better on the way round, whereas the 3hr pace is just a pipe dream, but would allow for me making easier calculations in my tired head on the way to figure out where I'm really up to.

    There is yet the highly important task of figuring out a potential venue for post race pints, so does anyone know somewhere suitable? There is also the possibility of meeting up on the Saturday as well and seeing who can eat the most pasta.

    As Rotterdam is a small enough city and all our accomodation should be really close to the start/ finish, and we'll all be finishing at different times due to our varying abilities I suggest the following:

    We meet at around 5 or 6ish somewhere. That way we can all head back to our hotels, shower, get into clean clothes etc, and that way we'll be set for a good evening.

    I know we'll be wrecked and all that jazz, but if we can run 26.2 miles then surely we can muster up the energy to head back out from our hotels for some pints (numb the aches and pains). This whole "once you go home, you wont come back out" thing seems like nonsense to me.

    Thats just my suggestion anyway.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 636 ✭✭✭pug_


    So far training going very well, did a 19 mile lsr yesterday and I was very pleased with myself at the end of it.

    As for meeting up with fellow boardsies my sister lives in Rotterdam so I could ask her to suggest a venue if folks want? She's been there been there for 7-8 years now so it's fair to say she knows the place pretty well by now.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,905 ✭✭✭misty floyd


    Pug, sounds like a good idea. 040...I'll try meet up after race but you know yourself, feeling cold, or wanting to lie down or whatever after the race. Its hard to know a time. Will shower and probably chill at hotel and def head out though.

    Training for me is going very well. Gonna race a 10m in Craughwell this weekend. Anyone else doing a longish race to see where you are at? I have a good idea where I'm at so I don't know if I'll race it 100%. Not sure.

    Very much looking forward to Rotterdam.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 420 ✭✭KentuckyPete


    robinph wrote: »
    woddle
    04072511
    Moycullen1
    Roddy23
    How Strange
    ULstudent
    Tunguska
    heffsarmy
    misty floyd
    robinph
    pug_
    runsalot
    KentuckyPete

    List of names lifted from the end of the Spring Marathons thread that spawned this one.

    So, with only just over a month to go how is it all going for everyone?

    I know I've not quite been managing to get in enough miles myself, but that has never stopped me before and barring a leg falling off between now and then I should be good to go. Still have to decide what time I'm going to set the pace on my watch for and keep varying between setting it for anything from 3hrs pace to 3:20 pace. The thinking being that if it shows me ahead of pace I'll feel better on the way round, whereas the 3hr pace is just a pipe dream, but would allow for me making easier calculations in my tired head on the way to figure out where I'm really up to.

    There is yet the highly important task of figuring out a potential venue for post race pints, so does anyone know somewhere suitable? There is also the possibility of meeting up on the Saturday as well and seeing who can eat the most pasta.

    Training is going well - touch wood, injuries have stayed away so far. Longest LSR yesterday - 23 miles and felt strong at the end. Am doing around 50 miles per week and in the past week or two have been able to recover enough from the weekly LSR to do some tempo/speed work in mid-week.

    I'm looking at a target of 3:20 - should I go for a 1:38 / 1:42 split?

    Definitely let's do the pub thing in the evening. Pug's sister seems to be hereby elected as entertainments officer. I'm staying about 300m from the startline so I can go wherever she recommends.

    Pug, please get her to recommend a pub nearby - I don't care how good such and such a pub is in the suburbs or on the other side of town. We'll be wrecked!

    Count me in for Saturday Pasta too


  • Registered Users Posts: 223 ✭✭Moycullen1


    Pug, if you are chatting to your sister over the next couple of weeks would you mind asking her for the names of a couple of good Italian restaurants. I am always a bit nervous of hotel recommendations especially when the concierge offers to book a table for you! I have had mixed success with this approach in the past.

    Sunday evening sounds like a good idea for a get together after the customary cold bath. If there was a nice coffee shop at or in the vicinity of the expo it might be a nice way to pass a couple of hours on Saturday afternoon if people fancied meeting up for a while during the day.

    Between the cold spell over December and January and a head cold in February my PB plans have been well and truly clobbered. Looking forward to a leisurely run around Rotterdam.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 420 ✭✭KentuckyPete


    Pug, sounds like a good idea. 040...I'll try meet up after race but you know yourself, feeling cold, or wanting to lie down or whatever after the race. Its hard to know a time. Will shower and probably chill at hotel and def head out though.

    Training for me is going very well. Gonna race a 10m in Craughwell this weekend. Anyone else doing a longish race to see where you are at? I have a good idea where I'm at so I don't know if I'll race it 100%. Not sure.

    Very much looking forward to Rotterdam.

    misty floyd, I'm doing Ballycotton (10 miles) on March 21st. Don't know how to approach it. I don't want to go flat out and risk a tear or an injury. Even without injury it would take a while to recover.

    I'll probably go for about 30 seconds / mile faster than PMP and focus on the higher goal. What do you think?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 636 ✭✭✭pug_


    Pug, please get her to recommend a pub nearby - I don't care how good such and such a pub is in the suburbs or on the other side of town. We'll be wrecked!
    Will do don't worry. She lives in the city centre about a 2 minute walk from the start line so I kinda doubt she knows many out of the way places anyway ;)
    Moycullen1 wrote:
    Pug, if you are chatting to your sister over the next couple of weeks would you mind asking her for the names of a couple of good Italian restaurants. I am always a bit nervous of hotel recommendations especially when the concierge offers to book a table for you! I have had mixed success with this approach in the past.
    Will do no problem.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,049 ✭✭✭Brianderunner


    I've entered this also. Been following the pfitzinger 12/55 program. Aiming for 3'15, gonna head out around 7'25 pace and see what happens. 3''22 pb from DCM 09 needs to be beaten at least but my 1'28 half from last september suggests i am capable of it. Training going ok, 7 mile tempo other day in 48 mins and 18 mile LSR yesterday in 2'24. Ryanair friday to monday through eindhoven. No hotel booked yet but have relatives in Hilversum so might stay with them.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,905 ✭✭✭misty floyd


    misty floyd, I'm doing Ballycotton (10 miles) on March 21st. Don't know how to approach it. I don't want to go flat out and risk a tear or an injury. Even without injury it would take a while to recover.

    I'll probably go for about 30 seconds / mile faster than PMP and focus on the higher goal. What do you think?

    I'm not sure Pete. I'd be thinking it is pretty soon to race all out for the 10m. 30seconds sounds ok to me ? others might say different. Its up to how you think you'd cope really. For my 10m this weekend I'm thinking of running it at 95%. I'll know what I'm made of (if I raced 100% I could take 1min off for example) yet not cross that line of feeling totally fecked after it. Again, thats just my opinion, I'm no expert but I'm gonna do the same as yourself (PMP -30s per mile maybe). If unsure best to be cautious when it doesn't really matter that you don't run 100% effort? As a matter of interest, are you doing much long interval work or tempo at that PMP-30s pace?

    As for the splits, again, I'm no expert but the other way around would be better: 1:42/1:38.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 420 ✭✭KentuckyPete


    I'm not sure Pete. I'd be thinking it is pretty soon to race all out for the 10m. 30seconds sounds ok to me ? others might say different. Its up to how you think you'd cope really. For my 10m this weekend I'm thinking of running it at 95%. I'll know what I'm made of (if I raced 100% I could take 1min off for example) yet not cross that line of feeling totally fecked after it. Again, thats just my opinion, I'm no expert but I'm gonna do the same as yourself (PMP -30s per mile maybe). If unsure best to be cautious when it doesn't really matter that you don't run 100% effort? As a matter of interest, are you doing much long interval work or tempo at that PMP-30s pace?

    For a few weeks I wasn't able to do the tempo work - I was upping the mileage and as I was so shagged after the Sunday LSRs my midweek miles were slower too. However, I'm stronger this past two weeks and managed 4 tempo miles last week and 15 tempo miles (a 9 and a 6) in the week just gone
    As for the splits, again, I'm no expert but the other way around would be better: 1:42/1:38.
    Agreed but according to Pfitzinger very few people can run negative splits like that. Uncle Pete reckons this applies at all levels of ability - he says even Gebrsellassie had a positive split for his world record. I reckon I'd have to budget for a crap mile or two at the end. I'm putting a lot of faith in that book for a number of aspects to the training / preparation / tactics so I should probably stay consistent. In my one and only marathon to date I had a fairly hefty +15 (yikes) split at DCM '09 :o


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,029 ✭✭✭Pisco Sour


    040...I'll try meet up after race but you know yourself, feeling cold, or wanting to lie down or whatever after the race. Its hard to know a time. Will shower and probably chill at hotel and def head out though.

    I probably didnt phrase my suggestion properly. What I was thinking was we all head back to our own hotels seperately after the race (as we will all be finished at different times, so little point in meeting up then), and meet up a few hours later somewhere.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,029 ✭✭✭Pisco Sour


    Moycullen1 wrote: »
    If there was a nice coffee shop at or in the vicinity of the expo it might be a nice way to pass a couple of hours on Saturday afternoon if people fancied meeting up for a while during the day.

    Lets hope you dont get called after the race by Anti-Doping Officials or you'd be fecked :D


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,124 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    After the likes of DCM people head home and it will then be a big ask to drag yourself back into town, but as 12345 says there isn't any excuse for skipping out of the drinks after Rotterdam seeing as home for all of us is probably going to be within a few hundred meters of the finish line.

    Definately a good idea to get the names of a couple of places centrally that would be suitable from the local contacts people have. Then we have potential meetups post expo (for non alcoholic hydration and then all you can eat pasta for those who want to) and post race (for the important carb replacement therapy).


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,124 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    04072511 wrote: »
    Lets hope you dont get called after the race by Anti-Doping Officials or you'd be fecked :D

    Good point. Don't anyone be asking for directions to a coffee shop before the race, afterwards is another matter, but before hand I think it's a cafe that you'd be looking for. Not certain though as never had call for one of them. :D

    Maybe just ask for a Starbucks to be safe as if its the generic term.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,905 ✭✭✭misty floyd


    Just curious, are there 'coffee shops' in all/most cities in Holland or just Amsterdam? Imagine a room full of people cabbaged from dope and having completed a marathon. I'm picturing wheelbarrows at closing time.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,124 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    Most of them are in Amsterdam, but there will be a very small number in other places as well. I have heard rumors that some places don't have any, but I've had no reason to venture outside of Amsterdam before myself so am not sure.

    I do expect to be returning in a very similar state as my previous times to the Netherlands, but due to very, very different reasons. :D


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,029 ✭✭✭Pisco Sour


    robinph wrote: »
    Most of them are in Amsterdam, but there will be a very small number in other places as well. I have heard rumors that some places don't have any, but I've had no reason to venture outside of Amsterdam before myself so am not sure.

    I do expect to be returning in a very similar state as my previous times to the Netherlands, but due to very, very different reasons. :D

    I'd gladly run 3 marathon one after the other in the one day than have one of those space cakes again! Absolutely lethal stuff!

    I shant be joining you guys in the "coffee shops" if you decide to go there!


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,124 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    It would be pretty obvious most of the time if you were on the look out for a venti latte and walked into the wrong kind of establishment though, so don't worry about that. Just done a bit of research on the matter though and they do exist in Rotterdam, but it seems the attitude towards them is not quite as relaxed as in The 'Dam and they are nowhere near as numerous.

    Anyway, getting back on track ...

    So we may meet up for a coffee on the Saturday, but not at a coffee shop incase anyone was wondering. Does anyone remember what time the Expo is open until on the Saturday actually, I presume there is loads of time for us to get there to get the numbers that evening so allowing for flights/ trains/ getting lost etc?

    I suppose I could go and search through for the emails they sent me, but ...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,905 ✭✭✭misty floyd


    I think you could register until 7 on the Saturday but don't quote me.

    For the record 040... don't worry about that. I was just curious to know if its like Amdam.

    There is a good band called 'Band of Horses' playing in Rotterdam on the Saturday night. If anyone can understand Dutch that is :confused:....the link to buy tickets on their website is dutch.

    Are people doing their long runs on flat roads or mixing it up? Any thoughts on that?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,905 ✭✭✭misty floyd


    Expo info from marathon website:

    Marathon SportExpo
    For the 18th time in the history of the Fortis Marathon Rotterdam a Marathon SportExpo is being organised. From Friday 9 April to Sunday 11 April (incl.) the Expo becomes the meeting place for participants who have entered for one of the various distances of the Fortis Marathon Rotterdam. As in previous years the expo will take place in the Beurs-World Trade Center in the centre of Rotterdam.

    Address
    Beurs-World Trade Center- Beursplein 37

    Opening hours (subject to change)
    April 9th: 10.00-20.00 hrs
    April 10th: 10.00-19.00 hrs
    April 11th: 08.00-10.00 hrs


    Race secretariat
    You can pick up your bib number and your D-Tag at the race secretariat. You will receive your bib number (incl. safety pins, D-Tag, a functional adidas running shirt and goodies) only upon presentation of your proof of entry, which you received earlier by e-mail. So, don’t forget to take your proof of entry.

    The proof of entry is strictly personal and not transferable. It is NOT possible to transfer the proof of entry. The opening times for the race secretariat and the Marathon SportExpo are the same (see above). For questions relating to your proof of entry, bib number or time registration you can go to the Help Desk. For general questions please go to the information desk.

    The sports expo par excellence
    There are countless stands from different sports brands and products at the Marathon SportExpo. Grab your chance and take advantage of the benefit of having all the different brands together at the marathon SportExpo. There will be special offers during the marathon weekend.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,307 ✭✭✭T runner


    I think you could register until 7 on the Saturday but don't quote me.

    For the record 040... don't worry about that. I was just curious to know if its like Amdam.

    There is a good band called 'Band of Horses' playing in Rotterdam on the Saturday night. If anyone can understand Dutch that is :confused:....the link to buy tickets on their website is dutch.

    Are people doing their long runs on flat roads or mixing it up? Any thoughts on that?

    Sorry to nip in here. Doing Paris the same weekend which is flat also.

    Doing all long runs now on flat to simulate the race. Want to get the muscles etc used to and strenghtened against the constant repetition before race day.


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