Daily Mail go for Gately

fryup

No we haven't!!!!!!!!!!!!!:mad::mad:

only kiddin;)

smoochie06

That article is absolutely disgusting. I hope people refuse to buy that paper now and hit them in their pockets.

Aidric

I'd like to use this thread to have a go at Fiona Looney. Get down off your high horse you two faced horse tooth kunt.

Dudess

walshb wrote: »

Why? Becaues they say what others are really thinking?

No, I've no problem with the Daily Mail saying what stupid people are thinking - that's just part of life.

walshb wrote: »

Well, I have read the article again and I don't see what is so outrageous or inaccurate with it. It was a lonely way for a guy to die. Out of his head on whatever, alone while the "hubby" is in bed with another man. Sorry, but that's hardly everyday activity or a normal way to go. I can't understand why folks are dissing the paper over opinions and queries and questions that most people may be thinking. I fail to see where the author inplies that he died because he was gay. She is simply questioning the manner and circumstances surrounding his death.

Gay, straight or BI, folks die from all sorts of things

walshb wrote: »

Wasn't he on a major drinks session? Is this not true? Maybe it wasn't major, but I would say drink played its part,

Notice I said drink, and not, Stephen died because he was gay.

That article never ever claimed he died due to him being gay and anyone
who is inisting this is over sensitive or illiterate

Read back over your posts, seriously.

Bewilderment at a 33-year-old man dying suddenly is of course understandable - attempting to link it with a lifestyle he may have led/taking a swipe at civil partnership... is just the lowest of the low.

harsea8

walshb wrote: »

I can't understand why folks are dissing the paper over opinions and queries and questions that most people may be thinking.

Regardless of the fact that only a f*cking c*ck would hold the same opinions as Jan Moir, whatever happened to having a little respect for the bereaved family & friends who haven't even buried the guy yet.

Personally, I'd like to see Jan get seven bales of ****e kicked out of her rather than any kind of PCC action as she'll probably wear the latter as some kind of badge of honour.

Lollipops23

harsea8 wrote: »

Personally, I'd like to see Jan get seven bales of ****e kicked out of her rather than any kind of PCC action as she'll probably wear the latter as some kind of badge of honour.

I know what you mean, but I think even the most seasoned journalist knows that a line has been crossed here.

Euro_Kraut

In stark contrast an article from todays Irish Times about the inner city community the Gatley grew up in: http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/weekend/2009/1017/1224256878347.html

In the past 18 months, €48,000 has been spent on the daily cleaning of St Laurence Place East to remove the results of anti-social behaviour before the youngsters start arriving for school across the street.

These setbacks have made the success of Stephen Gately all the more important for the area, according to local independent councillor Nial Ring.

“When they see someone from this area becoming famous, it really gives them a source of pride. His mother [Margaret] and father [Martin] are lovely people,” he says.

“When Stephen became famous, you’d have all the young ones coming down, asking ‘where does he live?’ And Margaret Gately would bring people in and show them Stephen’s bedroom. She’d say, ‘come in and have a cup of tea’ to the young ones, up from the country. So there was great excitement around the area. And now it’s important to people, out of respect to the Gately family, that the area is shown in the best light.”

This is the kind of tone a reflection that is befitting of the day of a persons funeral.

KetchupKid

I agree with Jan Moir that it was probably lifestyle that killed Gately.

But probably not his sexual lifestyle, but more because of a partying and binge drinking lifestyle.

KetchupKid wrote: »

The Mail is a rag and by all accounts Gatley seemed like a good bloke, but you do have to question his death. Yes, fit young people occasionally die due to sudden and unprovoked heart failure, but usually there's an underlying problem such as a heart defect or an abnormal heart valve, didn't seem to be the case with Gately, otherwise I assume this would have been reported.

Pulmonary oedema is typically due to previous cardiovascular disease and it would be very unusual for someone who wasn't sick and Gately was healthy and apparently very fit since he was dancing and performing on stage without any previous symptoms or complaints. Fluid can build up in the lungs for many reasons. This fluid makes it difficult for the lungs to give oxygen to the blood. The low oxygen in the blood and the fluid itself cause symptoms. Another cause is pneumonia, but this too should of had previous symptoms.

Now, fluid can also get onto the lungs via aspirating fluids. This can happen if someone is drunk and aspirates fluids while vomiting or it could also occur other ways!!. Now I know the family want and deserve their privacy, but just throwing out Pulmonary oedema as the cause of death with no other details is also a bit unresponsible since it could send fears and false signals to many.

Lollipops23

As pointed I out earlier there was a genetic heart condition in the family, one from which his granny Gately died from at quite a young age, and with no previous health complaints.

Sheeps

I am absolutely shocked and appalled that the integrity of a tabloid news paper could drop this low...

ejmaztec

The editorial crew can't be very good judges in allowing the article to be printed in the first place. A head or two might be rolling when the blame gets bounced around the Daily Mail offices. I hope that there's an orchestrated campaign to reduce the rag's circulation, in the same way that Liverpudlians boycott The Sun..

Jesus Juice

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/oct/16/stephen-gately-jan-moir
Sums it up for me

Dudess

KetchupKid wrote: »

I agree with Jan Moir that it was probably lifestyle that killed Gately.

But probably not his sexual lifestyle, but more because of a partying and binge drinking lifestyle.

Did he lead a crazy lifestyle though?

And what that woman was insinuating (actually not insinuating - saying) was that this apparent crazy, debauched lifestyle which she can't prove was because of his sexuality.
I don't think I've ever heard of anyone dying suddenly at that age because of a party-hard lifestyle - unless they overdose.

There's more than just Moir to blame here though. The article had to pass through several channels after she hit "send" to her editor - can't believe it was approved for publication.

It's hard to credit she actually considers her points reasonable - I'm tempted to believe she was just real-life trolling. It's doubtful she had any idea of the scale of sh1t-storm she'd cause, but she must have known there would be a fair bit of a stir...

stovelid

Dudess wrote: »

There's more than just Moir to blame here though. The article had to pass through several channels after she hit "send" to her editor - can't believe it was approved for publication.
.

All grist to the Daily Mail's mill. Everybody is talking about it, hitting their site and so forth. A sizeable proportion of their readership probably even agree with it.

If things get too hot, they can blame it on the journalist (reprehensible pond-life that she is) and even can her, despite the fact that they endorsed the article by running with it.

Nodin

walshb wrote: »

See, I never once said his hubby slept with another man.
I said they were in bed...

Maybe they did sleep, but I didn't say that.

So now you're trying to weasle out of what you stated.

ShooterSF

ejmaztec wrote: »

The editorial crew can't be very good judges in allowing the article to be printed in the first place. A head or two might be rolling when the blame gets bounced around the Daily Mail offices. I hope that there's an orchestrated campaign to reduce the rag's circulation, in the same way that Liverpudlians boycott The Sun..

Are you kidding? The Mail will be soaking up this kind of publicity with delight. People love controversy and that's what they play to.

LadyJ

Tbh, plenty of young people go to sleep and never wake up. I know that this wasn't Sudden Adult Death Syndrome but it does exist so maybe they should have had a bit of a longer think before saying something so ridiculous.

Also, the fact that they're even mentioning his marriage in that context is just so utterly homophobic and unnecessary. I hope somebody rams several copies of that newspaper up the respective holes of everyone at the Daily Mail.

ejmaztec

ShooterSF wrote: »

Are you kidding? The Mail will be soaking up this kind of publicity with delight. People love controversy and that's what they play to.

They've come up with some real howlers in the past, but I don't recall them being in this much sh1te over them. With companies like M&S, Nestlé etc, issuing announcements criticising prejudice, and asking for their ads not to be shown anywhere on the offending webpage, there are bound to be rumblings amongst shareholders etc.

nacho libre

At least there are less people in this country today who will support her homophobic bile. Moir is going to really get it from stonewall( the UK group for equality and justice for lesbians) in the coming days. I'm not sure that's the best aproach. Better just to ignore her and not give her what she wants.

LadyJ

Does Jan Moir remind anyone else of Doloures Umbridge from Harry Potter? Just from her writing that is.

CathyMoran

Not much to say except to add to my disgust at the article, was talking to my husband about it and I do not normally curse but I am very angry with the article.

Warfi

Just watching the funeral on Sky News....Keith Duffy has paid a fantastic tribute to Stephen Gately

(although he made a small slip at one stage when he said that Stephen loves Mickey, short pause, Mouse )

all the band members are paying tribute....Dublin wit is very much in evidence : )

drkpower

KetchupKid wrote: »

I agree with Jan Moir that it was probably lifestyle that killed Gately.

But probably not his sexual lifestyle, but more because of a partying and binge drinking lifestyle.

First, how do you know he had a "partying and binge drinking lifestyle", or at least any more than the average Irish 20 or 30-something?

Second, can you tell us how that 'lifestyle', if it did exist, caused his death? And try and be specific about how you have come to this medical conclusion?

I am doubtful you will be able to answer any of these questions. Because you, no different to Jan Moir, arre merely using your own prejudices, rather than any actual evidence, to come to you errant conclusions. And that is pretty shameful.

JP Liz

no matter how he died its a tragic loss of a young life

RIP

Lollipops23

Warfi wrote: »

Just watching the funeral on Sky News....Ronan Keating has paid a fantastic tribute to Stephen Gately

(although he made a small slip at one stage when he said that Stephen loves Mickey, short pause, Mouse )

all the band members are paying tribute....Dublin wit is very much in evidence : )

It was Keith, oh god I nearly fell off the couch laughing....tributes were lovely, really lovely....

Warfi

Lollipops23 wrote: »

It was Keith, oh god I nearly fell off the couch laughing....tributes were lovely, really lovely....

Yeah just realised!! Just heard Ronan there now, poor guy was heartbroken

John Mason

she was only saying what everyone was thinking

Lollipops23

irishbird wrote: »

she was only saying what everyone was thinking

If that's what you're thinking you're a bigotted tool.

Warfi

irishbird wrote: »

she was only saying what everyone was thinking

So everyone thinks that Stephen Gately died because he was gay and married? This is the sentiment I've picked up from Jan Moir's article. I certainly do not think Stephen Gately died because he was gay and married. I'm no doctor, and I'm going out on a limb here, but I believe he died because he's mortal.

Radharc na Sleibhte

irishbird wrote: »

she was only saying what every silly heartless selfish kunnt was thinking

Fixed your post for you there.

Kiera

irishbird wrote: »

she was only saying what everyone was thinking

Narrow minded idiots are not "everyone"!

John Mason

Warfi wrote: »

So everyone thinks that Stephen Gately died because he was gay and married?

That's the sentiment I've picked up from Jan Moir's article

no everyone was thinking its a very strange situation, why would you allow your husband to share a bed with someone else when you sleep on the sofa in your p's? there is no way i would allow that

Clare Bear

They released a statement during the week saying the friend was in the spare room. No one but those two know really so we can't say what room the friend was in or what they got up to that night. Not that it matters.

herya

irishbird wrote: »

no everyone was thinking its a very strange situation, why would you allow your husband to share a bed with someone else when you sleep on the sofa in your p's? there is no way i would allow that

I actually did that my OH and his friend were in one room and I stayed on the sofa as I had flu and couldn't bear being around anybody. But that's too clean cut for you no? You prefer to imagine scenes?

Radharc na Sleibhte

You should write for the mail Irishbird.

Not that I ever would or did, but I am gonna do my level best to continue to stop people buying that heap of anti-irish shiite.

Warfi

irishbird wrote: »

no everyone was thinking its a very strange situation, why would you allow your husband to share a bed with someone else when you sleep on the sofa in your p's? there is no way i would allow that

If that's the only sentiment you picked up from Moir's article, I'm surprised. It's quite obvious to me, from her article, that she harbours a distrust of homosexuals and civil ceremonies, and she used Stephen Gately's death to spread her warped opinion.

I think what has disgusted people most is that she has used his death for an anti-homosexual tirade.

4zn76tysfajdxp

irishbird wrote: »

she was only saying what everyone was thinking

Infracted. Stop trolling.

Lollipops23 wrote: »

If that's what you're thinking you're a bigotted tool.

Banned.

MikeySligo wrote: »

Fixed your post for you there.

Infracted.

Kiera wrote: »

Narrow minded idiots are not "everyone"!

Infracted.

drkpower

irishbird wrote: »

no everyone was thinking its a very strange situation, why would you allow your husband to share a bed with someone else when you sleep on the sofa in your p's? there is no way i would allow that

At least arm yourself with the facts before spouting rubbish. If you have ever had a friend stay over at your house, would it be fair for someone to say that that friend was sleeping with your husband with absolutely no evidednce for that? Pathetic.

TheZohanS

ShooterSF wrote: »

Are you kidding? The Mail will be soaking up this kind of publicity with delight. People love controversy and that's what they play to.

I'm not so sure. The Sun newspaper are still suffering from the fallout of the Hillsborough article that they ran after the disaster. People in Liverpool still boycott the paper to this day.

Radharc na Sleibhte

Well done.

4zn76tysfajdxp

Unlocked once more. Be good. :mad:

Stark

walshb wrote: »

Notice I said drink, and not, Stephen died because he was gay.

That article never ever claimed he died due to him being gay and anyone
who is inisting this is over sensitive or illiterate

This is what she said:

Another real sadness about Gately's death is that it strikes another blow to the happy-ever-after myth of civil partnerships.

Gay activists are always calling for tolerance and understanding about same-sex relationships, arguing that they are just the same as heterosexual marriages. Not everyone, they say, is like George Michael.

Of course, in many cases this may be true. Yet the recent death of Kevin McGee, the former husband of Little Britain star Matt Lucas, and now the dubious events of Gately's last night raise troubling questions about what happened.

She may not have used the exact words "he died because he was in a civil partnership" but she sure came close.

eightyfish

Another spew of tripe from the xenophobic, homophobic Daily Mail. Dancing on a man's grave like that. Absolute disgrace.

john-joe

eightyfish wrote: »

Another spew of tripe from the xenophobic, homophobic Daily Mail. Dancing on a man's grave like that. Absolute disgrace.

Does anyone actually buy that 'paper' ??

Good for somethings though....... ;

Warfi

Jan Moir has every right to express her views about homosexuality. But to use Stephen Gately's death as 'proof' and excuse to point out that homosexuality is 'wrong' is callous, cold, ignorant, disgusting, despicable....and I've run out of words! Where's a decent writer when you need one?!!*





*Jan Moir and Daily Mail editor need not apply

Busi_Girl08

From Derren Brown's blog this morning.

Yesterday, first-hand, I saw Twitter achieve two apparent results for civility. In the morning, I posted a tweet drawing attention to an online report of a tube official seemingly humiliating an elderly passenger who had his arm caught in a door. A little while later I RTd (’re-tweeted’: passed on) Charlie Broker’s strongly-worded thoughts on Jan Moir’s unpleasant article of dailymailia. The latter was then picked up by Stephen Fry, and by the end of the day it had gained such widespread awareness that both stories had made the evening news. The tube official was investigated under pressure from Boris Johnson and received a suspension, and Moir issued a statement saying she was a victim of an orchestrated campaign.
Moir’s interpretation was wrong, and betrays a misguided notion about the nature of Twitter and similar forms of networking. There is no orchestration – just the rapid spread of information. Tweets (posts) are passed on, word gets around, and when a Twitter giant like Stephen Fry mentions it, a million people hear and many pass it on themselves. The response to Moir’s article came from areas much further than the Twittersphere, and although the accusation made was one of homophobia, her critics were not defined by sexuality. Ads were withdrawn from her online article, a strong critical voice was heard, and the Daily Mail became mortal for half a day. If the Mail exists to motivate the small-minded complaining communities of outraged middle England, for once it had a clear voice of outrage hurled back at it.
I hope that the tube official was fairly investigated and deserves his suspension. And that the complaints lodged against Moir have a worthwhile effect. As vast numbers shun print and turn to the net for their news, yesterday sounded an interesting note: an infamous newspaper held to account by a sharp, informed, conscientious public. It may even be a first. I did not know Gateley, but there was time when he feared the press ‘outing’ him. If his passing has caused this familiar form of mawkish, snide journalism to be held to account, then perhaps we could see that as a tribute to him. And to the astonishing impact of Twitter, and the shared decency of its users.
DBx

Sums alot of it up pretty well I think.

Radharc na Sleibhte

Troubling questions she says?
I'll give that wagon some troubling questions to answer.

Warfi

Busi_Girl08 wrote: »

From Derren Brown's blog this morning.



Sums alot of it up pretty well I think.

I love Stephen Fry but was quite surprised by what he wrote on twitter. I thought he'd have more class, although it's probably fair to say his was a knee jerk reaction.

Derren Brown has done an excellent job of conveying his opinion while keeping his cool.

deadhead13

The Uk's Press Complaints Commission's website crashed yesterday due to the volume of complaints, over 1000 as of last night. Marks & Sparks has demanded its advert be moved away from the article.

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/call-to-boycott-paper-over-vile-slur-on-singer-1916672.html

eightyfish

john-joe wrote: »

Does anyone actually buy that 'paper' ??

I bought it once for a free David Attenborough DVD and immediately felt guilty.

(Because of the articles. The DVD was excellent.)