Daily Mail go for Gately

john-joe

The guy is has just been buried, what a shame that people should make such comments when his family & friends have to deal with burying their loved one.

His sexuality has nothing to do with his death, more the rag newspapers (including) some irish editions have nothing else to write about at present! :mad:

I see the News of the world have reported on the funeral today.....

No queer bashing or scaremongering

http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/news/552585/Stephen-Gately-funeral.html

john-joe

eightyfish wrote: »

I bought it once for a free David Attenborough DVD and immediately felt guilty.

(Because of the articles. The DVD was excellent.)

Yeah only good thing about it!

Good DVD though......

Stark

Warfi wrote: »

Derren Brown has done an excellent job of conveying his opinion while keeping his cool.

Derren Brown said she was walking the tight rope between bitch and c*nt...

LadyJ

Stark wrote: »

Derren Brown said she was walking the tight rope between bitch and c*nt...

That is keeping his cool imo.

Piste

I thought he retweeted that from someone else?

4zn76tysfajdxp

Piste wrote: »

I thought he retweeted that from someone else?

Yeah, I think it was the genius that is Charlie Brooker who said it first. I mean seriously, why would a magician make a circus-related joke? They're like mortal enemies.

Stark

Ah yes he did. Unless I'm missing something, I thought Stephen Fry's comments were of a similar tone though?

Warfi

Stark wrote: »

Ah yes he did. Unless I'm missing something, I thought Stephen Fry's comments were of a similar tone though?

Similar tone to what?

Stark

Maybe it would help if you posted the exact tweet by Stephen Fry that you're referring to.

Warfi

Stark wrote: »

Maybe it would help if you posted the exact tweet by Stephen Fry that you're referring to.

It's on page 7, post 96.

It'd probably help also if you posted the tweet by Stephen Fry that you're referring to too.

Stark

Warfi wrote: »

It'd probably help also if you posted the tweet by Stephen Fry that you're referring to too.

This was the worst I could find: http://twitter.com/stephenfry/status/4913531605

Warfi

Stark wrote: »

This was the worst I could find: http://twitter.com/stephenfry/status/4913531605

Why do you think that's bad? I don't see anything wrong with what he's said there.

walshb

I must say, the church and surroundings in Sherrif St looked fab today, fair play to all who participated to do a great job.

I have read over a lot of the posts. Seriously, folks need to calm down a bit.
Just because some query the circumstances of the chaps death that gives nobody the right to make out anyone is homophobic or a gay basher or whatever else..

Lets be clear. Gately's death had ZERO to do with his sexual orientation, but it may have had something to do with his lifestyle, drink, binges or whatever.

Also, he may have had a bad heart and simply succumbed to heart failure.

Now, I was lambasted earlier for stating an opinion about gay men.

I couldn't give a toss what sexual orientation a person is, as long as the person is a respectable and pleasant and decent skin, he/she gets the thumbs up from me. Gately seemed all of the above.

But to say that there is NO difference between the world of a gay man and a straight man is wrong. We may not like it, but gay men still have not completely fitted into society. There are still those who will discrimnate against them because they are gay. This is wrong, but it is not wrong or homophobic to simply state that their lifestyle and place in society is different.

Take for example the pub scene. Why if all were "equal" do gay men have pubs were they frequent and are known as "gay pubs."

I have seen many straight men and women being openly affectionate amongst a crowd and nobody bats and eyelid. I don't think gay men have come to that yet, and this is nothing to do with being homophobic, it's a reality.

I think we need to chill and relax without becoming so sensitive just because someone malkes a comment on a gay person. The whole homophobic, gay basher and bigoted cards thrown around because someone simply questions.
the lifestyles of gay people

Do I think Stephen died a lonely death? Well, considering the fact he was alone when he died, and that his partner was not with him, but possibly with another man, then YES, he died a lonely death. And this is nothing to do with him being gay. I would say the exact same if he was straight and alone whilst his wife or partner was possibly with another man

Warfi

walshb wrote: »

I think we need to chill and relax without becoming so sensitive just because someone malkes a comment on a gay person. The whole homophobic, gay basher and bigoted cards thrown around because someone simply questions.
the lifestyles of gay people

I don't think people are being too sensitive. Jan Moir used Stephen Gately's death as an excuse to be homophobic. If she wants to be homophobic, that's her business. However using a young man's death to get her point across was crass and disgusting to say the least.

efb

She was manipulating the situation to pour scorn on Civil Partnerships, that's homophobic, She was making very leading statements about a young man's death before he was buried, that's disrespectful.

I think it's fear of violence that has Gay Couples not openly express affection in public, (the violence is homophobia) and it is unfortunite that it can only be expressed without fear in Gay Bars. And they play the best music!

drkpower

walshb wrote: »

but it may have had something to do with his lifestyle, drink, binges or whatever.

walshb wrote: »

I would say the exact same if he was straight and alone whilst his wife or partner was possibly with another man

Yo continue to make these suggestions/inferences that
1. drink played a part in his death
2. his partner was sleeping with the friend

while the evidence is to the contrary.

Do you think it is appropriate for me to imply/suggest that you are, lets say, a member of the BNP? I dont have any evidence for that suggestion, but I presume that doesnt matter to you, does it?

walshb

efb wrote: »

She was manipulating the situation to pour scorn on Civil Partnerships, that's homophobic, She was making very leading statements about a young man's death before he was buried, that's disrespectful.

I think it's fear of violence that has Gay Couples not openly express affection in public, (the violence is homophobia) and it is unfortunite that it can only be expressed without fear in Gay Bars. And they play the best music!

I agree, but why are some throwing around the gay basher jibes simply because someone makes the claim that gay men have not fitted in completely to society? Hey, attacking someone for being gay is despicable, but it happens. Nobody is attacked for being straight, because it is seen as normal and natural. Now, folks may not lke it, but people do have a view that men with men is not normal.

Nobody can honestly say that men lusting after men is no different than
men lusting after women. The animal kingdom, which we are part of is predominantly male lusting after female. This isn't made up, it's fact.

Would I discriminate against gay men, no way. I take everyone as I see them.

But, if you want me to say that gay men are no different than straight men, then I don't thnk that is true. Doesn't mean at all that straight men are better people. It simply means that we are different.

walshb

drkpower wrote: »

Yo continue to make these suggestions/inferences that
1. drink played a part in his death
2. his partner was sleeping with the friend

while the evidence is to the contrary.

Do you think it is appropriate for me to imply/suggest that you are, lets say, a member of the BNP? I dont have any evidence for that suggestion, but I presume that doesnt matter to you, does it?

I don't believe Gately died whilst sober, NO. I do think that drink or whatever else played a part. Hey, it is possible that he just died with no alcohol realted, this can happen. But, I think that he was probably tanked with alcohol and simply his heart didn't deal with it and he died.

It can hapeen, and has happened to many folks. As for the partner and the Bulgarian, are you seriously telling me that folks aren't thinking about what was going on? I don't know and nobody knows but Cowles and the Bulgarian, and Stephen. Unfortunately, Stephen won't be telling anything and Cowles and the Bulgarian can say what they like. Dead men tell no tales.

BTW, wasn't Cowles a bully boy? Didn't he beat the crap out of Stephen before? Scumbag to do that.

Chinafoot

Stark wrote: »

Derren Brown said she was walking the tight rope between bitch and c*nt...

Justice Old Meal wrote: »

Yeah, I think it was the genius that is Charlie Brooker who said it first. I mean seriously, why would a magician make a circus-related joke? They're like mortal enemies.

Post #120 on this thread.

A man named Jon Blyth said it first. Charlie Brooker did a RT and Derren Brown did an RT from him.

efb

Would you think a similiar article re Gatti or Sutherland prior to their funerals be acceptable, given the 'unnatural' circumstances surrounding their deaths?

Also lots of animals have same-sex sex

dr.bollocko

walshb wrote: »

I don't believe Gately died whilst sober, NO. I do think that drink or whatever else played a part. Hey, it is possible that he just died with no alcohol realted, this can happen. But, I think that he was probably tanked with alcohol and simply his heart didn't deal with it and he died.

It can hapeen, and has happened to many folks. As for the partner and the Bulgarian, are you seriously telling me that folks aren't thinking about what was going on? I don't know and nobody knows but Cowles and the Bulgarian, and Stephen. Unfortunately, Stephen won't be telling anything and Cowles and the Bulgarian can say what they like. Dead men tell no tales.

BTW, wasn't Cowles a bully boy? Didn't he beat the crap out of Stephen before? Scumbag to do that.

Had it up to here with your generalisations and your subtle little digs about homosexuals. Had it up to here with your constant ignoring of the facts. I'm all for discussion about this but all you are doing is trolling. Don't post in this thread again.

Chinafoot

walshb wrote: »

I don't believe Gately died whilst sober, NO. I do think that drink or whatever else played a part. Hey, it is possible that he just died with no alcohol realted, this can happen. But, I think that he was probably tanked with alcohol and simply his heart didn't deal with it and he died.

And if alcohol did play a part it bears no relation to his sexuality. Plenty of straight people go out and get tanked up (and more) every weekend. She did not need to bring his sexuality into the equation at all. However, it fits her homophobic agenda.

walshb wrote: »

It can hapeen, and has happened to many folks. As for the partner and the Bulgarian, are you seriously telling me that folks aren't thinking about what was going on? I don't know and nobody knows but Cowles and the Bulgarian, and Stephen. Unfortunately, Stephen won't be telling anything and Cowles and the Bulgarian can say what they like. Dead men tell no tales.

Ah yes, only gay men have sex with people outside their marriage. Give me a fúcking break. What went on in their marriage is absolutely nobody's business. Maybe they had an open marriage, maybe they were swingers, maybe there was nothing sexual involved at all. It is completely irrelevant to his death and people desperately trying to link the two are doing nothing other than highlighting their own bigotry and homophobia.

drkpower

walshb wrote: »

I don't believe Gately died whilst sober, NO. I do think that drink or whatever else played a part. Hey, it is possible that he just died with no alcohol realted, this can happen. But, I think that he was probably tanked with alcohol and simply his heart didn't deal with it and he died..

But there is no evidence to support that analysis. Many milllions of people die while having alcohol in their systems. In the vast vast majority of cases, alcohol is not contributory to their death. So you can "believe" it all you want but there is no reason to believe it - that is the difference.

walshb wrote: »

As for the partner and the Bulgarian, are you seriously telling me that folks aren't thinking about what was going on? I don't know and nobody knows but Cowles and the Bulgarian, and Stephen. Unfortunately, Stephen won't be telling anything and Cowles and the Bulgarian can say what they like. Dead men tell no tales.
.

Of course some people "believe" it, some people believe all sorts of things. But the mere fact that two partners are in the same apartment as their good friend does not mean that there is infidelity afoot. I have been in the same house as my wife and a friend of mine or hers hundreds of times but noone has ever suggested I or my wife was playing around. Why do you suggest it in this case? There is no evidence to support your suggestion.

So I ask again, is it appropriate for me to use the "evidence" of your recent posts to "believe" that you are a member of the BNP or that you go out at night beating up homosexuals? Or would you be right to tell me that I am way off the mark to make such a suggestion?

Pepe LeFrits

Daily Hate fascist in homophobia shocker!

nlgbbbblth

ejmaztec wrote: »

I hope that there's an orchestrated campaign to reduce the rag's circulation, in the same way that Liverpudlians boycott The Sun..

TheZohan wrote: »

I'm not so sure. The Sun newspaper are still suffering from the fallout of the Hillsborough article that they ran after the disaster. People in Liverpool still boycott the paper to this day.

Plenty Irish Liverpool fans still buy The Sun. Many of them old enough to remember Hillsborough. Why?

fryup

isn't barry egan of the indo, doing a similar article tommorow, just heard an ad on the radio

asdasd

bwalsh can't reply anymore but let me point this out from the autopsy report, in reply to his argument that drink might have been involved.

"He died a natural death of acute pulmonary oedema" which had nothing to do with any consumption of alcohol or drugs, said the spokeswoman in the Majorcan capital of Palma.

So what do people want exactly? Are they accusing the autopsy office of a coverup?

In Moir's column she said the "truth" would come out? A less rigid mind might accept that the Majorcan autopsy office, which is hardly in cahoots with anyone, has already produced the truth. The truth is already out there.

i dont even understand how a discussion can continue on this.

asdasd

isn't barry egan of the indo, doing a similar article tommorow, just heard an ad on the radio

Of course he is. Cnut.

Mike 1972

I dont know why anyone is surprised by this bile TBH

Outraged certainly but surprised?

Its hardly a million years ago since this same Forgers Gazette ran the headline "Abortion hope at genes findings" (The genes in question being the ones which supposedly made people gay)

While a lot of people (with considerable justification it much be said) give out on a regular basis about the Sun at least most sun readers know deep down that what they are reading should be taken with a pinch of salt. The Mail is far more insidious because most of its readers believe every word of it. By the appallingly low standards of British tabloid journalism it is definitely the worst (albeit up against fierce competition from the Daily Express in the race to the bottom as well).

ejmaztec

nlgbbbblth wrote: »

Plenty Irish Liverpool fans still buy The Sun. Many of them old enough to remember Hillsborough. Why?

There's still bad feeling in Liverpool over that rag, and the Liverpudlians have got long memories. How do you know how many Irish Liverpool fans buy it?

asdasd

Its hardly a million years ago since this same Forgers Gazette ran the headline "Abortion hope at genes findings" (The genes in question being the ones which supposedly made people gay)

Bit of a liberal quandry there though, what with a woman's right to chose and all.

john-joe

I wouldn't but the SUN because it's **** paper nothing to do with coverage of hillsborough in the 80's

I think they have paid for their mistake by now

Sorry if I went off topic there....

TheZohanS

john-joe wrote: »

I wouldn't but the SUN because it's **** paper nothing to do with coverage of hillsborough in the 80's

I think they have paid for their mistake by now

Sorry if I went off topic there....

You're right but imagine growing up in Liverpool and being a Liverpool supporter and then having a newspaper coming out with the sort of crap they did, chances are you had a relative or friend die in the disaster.

The Liverpudlian supporters are a close knit community, they won't forget. Just like the Boyzone fans and neighbours, friends and relatives of Stephen Gately won't forget what was written about him.

Bandit12

nlgbbbblth wrote: »

Plenty Irish Liverpool fans still buy The Sun. Many of them old enough to remember Hillsborough. Why?

This is true. There is many an idiot Liverpool fan that buy's the rag to this very day but there is also no doubt the s*n newspaper will never be bought in the city of liverpool to the same extent it is in other cities around the UK hence showing the fantastic response to the boycott.

nlgbbbblth

ejmaztec wrote: »

There's still bad feeling in Liverpool over that rag, and the Liverpudlians have got long memories. How do you know how many Irish Liverpool fans buy it?

I've encountered work colleagues, people on the bus, guys in pubs etc - all Liverpool fans carrying / reading The Sun newspaper.

My cousin who goes to a lot of Liverpool games (living there since late 70s) says he sees quite a few clueless Irish fans with it when they fly over. He always tells them to throw it in the bin and frequently gets blank looks.

KetchupKid

drkpower wrote: »

First, how do you know he had a "partying and binge drinking lifestyle", or at least any more than the average Irish 20 or 30-something?

Second, can you tell us how that 'lifestyle', if it did exist, caused his death? And try and be specific about how you have come to this medical conclusion?

I am doubtful you will be able to answer any of these questions. Because you, no different to Jan Moir, arre merely using your own prejudices, rather than any actual evidence, to come to you errant conclusions. And that is pretty shameful.

Certainly his partying and binge drinking lifestyle was probably no different than the average Irish 20-something lifestyle, including myself, although myself and many others outgrow it before 30-something. I'm not even saying Gately had this lifestyle, maybe only unfortunately he had it for just one night, but that is all it takes.

If you look at the facts, and my previous post, it is a pretty easy conclusion that binge drinking probably caused him to aspirate vomit causing fluid on the lungs, this has now been also echoed on several radio stations today.

I'm not condoning Jan Moir's homophobic article, just stating that the fast lane partying lifestyle probably did play a factor, and I admit it could have easily been me, but fortunately I eventually outgrew this behaviour before I hit 30. People keep saying young healthy people can die like this, but it is rare and 99% of the time there is an underlying problem. Considering all of the information and the fact that they did have a heavy night of drinking, the fluid on the lungs was probably aspirated vomit.

asdasd

If you look at the facts, and my previous post, it is a pretty easy conclusion that binge drinking probably caused him to aspirate vomit causing fluid on the lungs, this has now been also echoed on several radio stations today.

What did the coroner say?

Kirnsy

walshb wrote: »

But, I think that he was probably tanked with alcohol and simply his heart didn't deal with it and he died.

It can hapeen, and has happened to many folks. As for the partner and the Bulgarian, are you seriously telling me that folks aren't thinking about what was going on? .

thats quite a conclusion you've leapt to there...... twice.

drkpower

KetchupKid wrote: »

Certainly his partying and binge drinking lifestyle was probably no different than the average Irish 20-something lifestyle, including myself, although myself and many others outgrow it before 30-something. I'm not even saying Gately had this lifestyle, maybe only unfortunately he had it for just one night, but that is all it takes.

If you look at the facts, and my previous post, it is a pretty easy conclusion that binge drinking probably caused him to aspirate vomit causing fluid on the lungs, this has now been also echoed on several radio stations today.

Dis you miss the post from asdasd above? Looks like you did; your "conclusion" is a conclusion based on nothing but your own prejudices, certainly not on the facts.


Quote:
"He died a natural death of acute pulmonary oedema" which had nothing to do with any consumption of alcohol or drugs, said the spokeswoman in the Majorcan capital of Palma.

KetchupKid

drkpower wrote: »

Dis you miss the post from asdasd above? Looks like you did; your "conclusion" is a conclusion based on nothing but your own prejudices, certainly not on the facts.

Quote:
"He died a natural death of acute pulmonary oedema" which had nothing to do with any consumption of alcohol or drugs, said the spokeswoman in the Majorcan capital of Palma.

They certainly aren't prejudices, just logic and common sense!!

Did you miss my original post above, or have your prejudices and love for Boyzone and Gatley blinded you? Acute pulmonary oedema is the reason for Gately's death, but this pulmonary oedema had to be caused by something. There are several things that could cause it, but most would have presented symptoms prior to death. Just because the press release says it wasn't caused by alcohol, doesn't mean it is necessarily true! If it wasn't from aspirating vomit, then how did the fluid get on his lungs? I don't reallycare how he died, the poor lad is dead and I appreaciate that, but don't lie, they should have just kept all details private as opposed to say it was "natural".

drkpower

KetchupKid wrote: »

They certainly aren't prejudices, just logic and common sense!!

Did you miss my original post above, or have your prejudices and love for Boyzone and Gatley blinded you? Acute pulmonary oedema is the reason for Gately's death, but this pulmonary oedema had to be caused by something. There are several things that could cause it, but most would have presented symptoms prior to death. Just because the press release says it wasn't caused by alcohol, doesn't mean it is necessarily true! If it wasn't from aspirating vomit, then how did the alcohol get on his lungs? I don't reallycare how he died, the poor lad is dead and I appreaciate that, but don't lie, they should have just kept all details private as opposed to say it was "natural".

I have no particular love for Boyzone, and I dont know much about Stephen except that he seemed like a good and decent lad.

But your attempts at making a medical diagnosis based on nothing are erroneous and irritating. There is nothing logical or aanything approaching common sense about your theorising. And I do know something about pulmonary oedema and it can and does happen when people die form SADS/SUDS (Sudden Adult Death Syndrome). That is by far the most likely reason for his death. And it does not present any symptoms before death.

You really need to stop theorising about things you know nothing about. It is embarrassing. And as for 'alcohol on his lungs', where in God's name are you getting that from......?!

brian ireland

Reading through this thread one thing is obvious. The majority of posters are on the side of reality and fairness.


Stephen Gatley
A young lad who loved music and acting had a dream like loads of kids to become a star. Stephen achieved that. He worked hard and upset no one. I watched him on RTE being interviewed and my impression was of a really nice person who knew where he came from and what he had achieved. He lived his dream and fair play to him. Just because he died at 33 does not mean there has to be more to it. Sadly young people die all the time without it being their fault.
Today we could see the real side people Ronan chocking on the tears and Keith saying in his speach that Stephen loved Mickey... .Long pause .... Mouse. That was a classic. He was comfortable cracking that joke because I guess he was thinking that Stephen was looking down on him and laughing. I suppose he loved Stephen and its his right to take the piss out of some one who you love knowing they love you and would think the joke funny is they were alive.. thats your VIP pass with friends, your bond with your friend.
Just because someone dies it does not mean live stops being funny.

To all the people looking for gossip and some real horrible twist to Stephen's life and death.. GO AWAY!!!
If his family are reading this on boards .. congratulations to you. Your child made all of ireland proud. And Thanks.

asdasd

They certainly aren't prejudices, just logic and common sense!!

Fraid not. You are in fact ignoring logic, and medical reports to fuel prejudice.

Did you miss my original post above, or have your prejudices and love for Boyzone and Gatley blinded you?

I dont know if any of us have any love for Boyzone, or Mr Gatley, whom I wouldnt have recognised on the street. Didnt like their middle of the road music. Nevertheless, a calumny is a calumny.

Acute pulmonary oedema is the reason for Gately's death, but this pulmonary oedema had to be caused by something.

Quite, it was caused by an undetected heart condition.

Just because the press release says it wasn't caused by alcohol, doesn't mean it is necessarily true!

Because the coroners report says it wasnt caused by alcohol means it is necessarily true that it wasn't, since that is their job. You, on the other hand did not have access to the body. How many other coroners reports do you disbelieve, or does it have to involve homosexuals?

If it wasn't from aspirating vomit, then how did the alcohol get on his lungs?

Youa re making up sh*te now. The coroners report mentioned no alchol on lungs or anywhere else. You ignore the report and believe what you want, seemingly.

There are several things that could cause it, but most would have presented symptoms prior to death.

as Brooker's column - linked to earlier - pointed out there are 12 cases a week of young people - often a lot younger than Gately - dying of undetected heart problems, or of secondary related causes, in the UK.

furiousox

KetchupKid wrote: »

this pulmonary oedema had to be caused by something.

Like an underlying hereditary heart problem perhaps?

Just because the press release says it wasn't caused by alcohol, doesn't mean it is necessarily true!

lt's not a press release it's a coroner's report

If it wasn't from aspirating vomit, then how did the alcohol get on his lungs?

Coroner's report stated fluid on the lungs not alcohol

they should have just kept all details private

Yeah, so then there would be no speculation on cause of death, right?

drkpower

KetchupKid wrote: »

Did you miss my original post above,

Yes, your original post...lets take a look at that, shall we?

KetchupKid wrote: »

Yes, fit young people occasionally die due to sudden and unprovoked heart failure, but usually there's an underlying problem such as a heart defect or an abnormal heart valve, didn't seem to be the case with Gately, otherwise I assume this would have been reported.,

Incorrect; SADS usually has no underlying problem or, at least, no detectable underlying problem.

KetchupKid wrote: »

Pulmonary oedema is typically due to previous cardiovascular disease and it would be very unusual for someone who wasn't sick and Gately was healthy and apparently very fit since he was dancing and performing on stage without any previous symptoms or complaints. Fluid can build up in the lungs for many reasons. ,

Wrong again; ever heard of Cormac McAnallen or any of the other high profile deaths from this tragic disease? A number of elite sportsmen have died from this condition who were obviously in rude health beforehand.

KetchupKid wrote: »

Now, fluid can also get onto the lungs via aspirating fluids.,

You seem to suffering from a misperception that the fluid on the lung is the fluid that is aspirated. That is also incorrect. Pulmonary oedema can develop from aspirating fluid (or foreign bodies) but the fluid on the lung is not the fluid that is aspirated.

KetchupKid wrote: »

This can happen if someone is drunk and aspirates fluids while vomiting or it could also occur other ways!!.

Pathetic innuendo.

You went to all that bother of posting a long post which is so utterly incorrect in fact. Could you not have bothered to do a bit of googling beforehand? Clearly not.

thee glitz

rté
Scotland Yard / PCC investigate Gately complaint

Scotland Yard has said that it has received a complaint about an article written by a newspaper columnist about
the death of Boyzone singer Stephen Gately. Jan Moir's article which was published in last Friday's Daily Mail, questions
whether Mr Gately died of natural causes.

The article also prompted more than 1,000 complaints to the Press Complaints Commission. A spokesman for the PCC said
most of the complaints relates to questions of accuracy, intrusion and discrimination.

Nodin

KetchupKid wrote: »

They certainly aren't prejudices, just logic and common sense!!

Did you miss my original post above, or have your prejudices and love for Boyzone and Gatley blinded you?

Couldn't stand the sight or sound of them - I had the sound off when the mass was on the news yesterday. I've been listening to punk/hardcore/metal and alternative stuff for most of my life, and as I'm 40, thats a long time.

The fact is a lad went out for a few jars, laid down to sleep and died. It happens, and its apparently fuck all to do with drink, drugs and most certainly nothing to do with him being gay.

However, if you know better, then to the Coroners office you must go....

tallaght01

drkpower wrote: »

I have no particular love for Boyzone, and I dont know much about Stephen except that he seemed like a good and decent lad.

But your attempts at making a medical diagnosis based on nothing are erroneous and irritating. There is nothing logical or aanything approaching common sense about your theorising. And I do know something about pulmonary oedema and it can and does happen when people die form SADS/SUDS (Sudden Adult Death Syndrome). That is by far the most likely reason for his death. And it does not present any symptoms before death.

You really need to stop theorising about things you know nothing about. It is embarrassing. And as for 'alcohol on his lungs', where in God's name are you getting that from......?!

Plus his family have mentioned a hereditary heart condition that has caused problems on his dad's side of the family. That's pretty likely to by hypertrophic cardiomyopathy.
I'm not sure if the pathologist commented on his ticker. But that comes on most commonly in your 30s, with no previous symptoms, causes cardiac arrest and can lead to pulmonary oedema.

KetchupKid

drkpower wrote: »

Pathetic innuendo.
You went to all that bother of posting a long post which is so utterly incorrect in fact. Could you not have bothered to do a bit of googling beforehand? Clearly not.

Well I did do some googling and this pulmonary oedema had to be caused by something, but where you hear that "it was caused by an undetected heart condition."?? The coroner's report had no mention of any heart condition.

"it will be several weeks before it is known whether alcohol or drugs were in his bloodstream when he died. The post mortem offered no clues about the underlying cause of the oedema and the family of the 33-year-old will have to wait up to a fortnight for further test results.
His death may have been the result of an unknown underlying medical condition but this has yet to be confirmed"

Read more: http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/entertainment/music/news/stephen-gately-exact-cause-of-death-will-not-be-known-for-two-weeks-14530054.html#ixzz0UHdNEbTy

But a court spokeswoman said that alcohol was not a factor in his death.
“Stephen's death has nothing to do any alcohol he drank that night, it has nothing to do with drugs and he did not choke on his own vomit,” she said.
“If drink or drugs play any part in a death, they always put it in the cause of death.
“In this case they haven't. I'm not saying Stephen didn't vomit but I can categorically state he did not choke on his own vomit.”
It is expected that the test results will be available in around a fortnight."


All this indicates is that he didn't choke on his vomit, which is obvious since his death was caused by fluid on the lungs, not choking.


But there is still no indication of how the fluid got on his lungs, now we'll just have to wait a fortnight and see what the results say.

herya

KetchupKid wrote: »

But there is still no indication of how the fluid got on his lungs, now we'll just have to wait a fortnight and see what the results say.

You are just being ignorant. Human body is 60% water, you have fluids everywhere. You are full of fluid in one form or another, your organs are immersed in it. You don't need to swallow anything for your lungs to be full of fluid which normally circulates in their walls to hydrate them - it just builds up when the failing heart can no longer pump it around.