Sunderland V Liverpool 17/10/09 Match Thread

SlickRic · 16-10-2009 3:21pm

rarnes1 wrote: »

We did quite well when Gerrard and Torres were out last year. We have quality all over the pitch and on the bench.

agreed.

it's other people that need convincing.

16-10-2009 3:23pm

IRISHSPORTSGUY wrote: »

Less tired in the run up. He always looked exhausted after an hour too.

Set pieces have improved dramatically.

Fair enough. Hopefully he has an off day tomorrow

Fink Goddie · 16-10-2009 3:25pm

SlickRic wrote: »

well, yes, it does mean something.

it shows what normally happens between the two teams.

it's in no way definitive, obviously, but it gives an indication.

by your reasoning, in a game against morecambe we don't know what to expect because the past means nothing.

What about Greece winning the Euro 2004 kinda knocks your logic a bit though doesnt it. Burnley beating United kinda does too, so as i said the past means nothing.

torresistheman wrote: »

Get a grip Fink. Using this as an opportunity to prove yourself right. The truth is we'd prob have struggled tomorrow with the 2 boys.

Your so bloody critical of the squad but I don't know how different it could be based on what we've been able to spend. We all know the way you feel but really you add nothing because all you do is criticise

I'm realistic, i'd love if we had an amazing squad but we dont!
Who do you think we can rely on tomorrow to command the game and get goals other than Yossi if Torres, Gerrard and Masch are not playing??

The midfield will be a joke! the defence already looks shakey, there's no adequate cover for Torres

mayordenis · 16-10-2009 3:28pm

prendy wrote: »

we deffo wont win 8-0 tommorow!!!
i reckon 3-0 with babel and co proving people wrong!

And we're certainly now going to get all 12 points....

SlickRic · 16-10-2009 3:34pm

Fink Goddie wrote: »

What about Greece winning the Euro 2004 kinda knocks your logic a bit though doesnt it. Burnley beating United kinda does too, so as i said the past means nothing.

both examples of upsets, yes.

but you can still guage what is likely to happen by looking at the past. again, not definitive, but you can get an idea.

Fink Goddie wrote: »

I'm realistic, i'd love if we had an amazing squad but we dont!
Who do you think we can rely on tomorrow to command the game and get goals other than Yossi if Torres, Gerrard and Masch are not playing??

The midfield will be a joke! the defence already looks shakey, there's no adequate cover for Torres

you're not realistic. you're living off clichés.

let's look at the present (seen as you're someone apparently who doesn't like looking at the past).

if you go by liverpool's last performance, against Chelsea, the midfield was the only thing you could not blame for the defeat, and we'll have the same midfield tomorrow.

yossi, albert and kuyt are all capable of taking the fight to sunderland; as is babel if in the mood.

cover is needed for torres long term, i'd agree with that.

Fink Goddie · 16-10-2009 3:43pm

SlickRic wrote: »

both examples of upsets, yes.

but you can still guage what is likely to happen by looking at the past. again, not definitive, but you can get an idea.

you're not realistic. you're living off clichés.

let's look at the present (seen as you're someone apparently who doesn't like looking at the past).

if you go by liverpool's last performance, against Chelsea, the midfield was the only thing you could not blame for the defeat, and we'll have the same midfield tomorrow.

yossi, albert and kuyt are all capable of taking the fight to sunderland; as is babel if in the mood.

cover is needed for torres long term, i'd agree with that.

an idea of what might happen, still means nothing on the day!
What Cliches am i living off??

Albert hasnt proved anything this season yet, i wouldnt be putting my hopes on him, babel if in the mood, not very convincing is it.

Fingers crossed Yossi has a great game.

Karmafaerie · 16-10-2009 3:45pm

Fink Goddie wrote: »

What about Greece winning the Euro 2004 kinda knocks your logic a bit though doesnt it. Burnley beating United kinda does too, so as i said the past means nothing.

You mean the same Greece that are ranked 12th in the world?

Fink Goddie wrote:

I'm realistic, i'd love if we had an amazing squad but we dont!

Don't you just hate it when those non amazing squads get 86 points in a season, running the champions to the second last game, and placing our highest points total ever in the premiership?

Fink Goddie wrote:

Who do you think we can rely on tomorrow to command the game and get goals other than Yossi if Torres, Gerrard and Masch are not playing??

Who said Masch isn't playing?
And I can easily see Dirk getting on the score sheet.
Again.

Riera is due, and Babel has been showing glimpses of his old form.
Johnson has been a revalation this season.
etc

Fink Goddie wrote:

The midfield will be a joke! the defence already looks shakey, there's no adequate cover for Torres

The midfield isn't a joke.
we're one player down from a midfield that last season we considered the best in the world!
Our defence is so shakey that we've considered how many goals from open play?
3 in the league, two of which were against Chelski at the Bridge.

And we are short in cover for Torres.
Cause he's a one of a kind player!

SlickRic · 16-10-2009 3:48pm

Fink Goddie wrote: »

What Cliches am i living off??

1) that our midfield is sh*te.

2) that we're a two-man team.

3) that we have no squad depth.

all of of these ideas are utter rubbish.

and it's been proved again and again.

our squad is not ideal, but it is not in the dire straights you always seem to tell us all it is.

flahavaj · 16-10-2009 3:48pm

They're ranked 12th in the world BECAUSE they won the Euros. Where were they ranked before them. Pretty flawed rankings as anyway, as I was told earlier.

Mr Alan · 16-10-2009 3:53pm

Fink Goddie wrote: »

Fingers crossed Yossi has a great game.

poor aul Dirk.

wtf does he have to do to be recognised as a huge player.

NabyLadistheman · 16-10-2009 3:54pm

Mr Alan wrote: »

poor aul Dirk.

wtf does he have to do to be recognised as a huge player.

Not in Fink's Bible of Bull

anplaya · 16-10-2009 3:58pm

Riera is due, and Babel has been showing glimpses of his old form.

dont be making things up now,what form?are you talking about the form he had before he was at liverpool?doesnt count im afraid.

16-10-2009 4:00pm

Mr Alan wrote: »

poor aul Dirk.

wtf does he have to do to be recognised as a huge player.

I think all real fans know how important he is to us.

Fink Goddie · 16-10-2009 4:02pm

Karmafaerie wrote: »

Don't you just hate it when those non amazing squads get 86 points in a season, running the champions to the second last game, and placing our highest points total ever in the premiership?

Who said Masch isn't playing?
And I can easily see Dirk getting on the score sheet.
Again.

Riera is due, and Babel has been showing glimpses of his old form.
Johnson has been a revalation this season.
etc

The midfield isn't a joke.
we're one player down from a midfield that last season we considered the best in the world!
Our defence is so shakey that we've considered how many goals from open play?
3 in the league, two of which were against Chelski at the Bridge.

And we are short in cover for Torres.
Cause he's a one of a kind player!

Yes second place!!!
Dont forget how influential Alonso was in those 86 points.

You can see Kuyt on the score sheet again, christ mystic meg is on the Liverpool thread!!! Hey Meg!

Riera is due???? is he pregnant??

Babels glimpses, wow lets put all our hope in glimpses!

I agree Johnson is a great signing!

We're two down in our midfield tomorrow because there's no Gerrard helping out.

Our defence is so shakey even Carragher himself has said it.

Drogba is a one of a kind player but its nice having last seasons top striker as back up when he's injured.

mayordenis · 16-10-2009 4:08pm

Fink Goddie wrote: »

Yes second place!!!
Dont forget how influential Alonso was in those 86 points.

You can see Kuyt on the score sheet again, christ mystic meg is on the Liverpool thread!!! Hey Meg!

OOoooh we're so sorry your majesty, hey everyone! no more predictions.

Fink Goddie wrote: »

Riera is due???? is he pregnant??

Nope he's fit, raring to go, fairly rested and coming into game where he might just walk all over there defence, but yea pregnant I get it, funny.

Fink Goddie wrote: »

Babels glimpses, wow lets put all our hope in glimpses!

Babels but in 6 or 7 good sup appearances, and ye we should put our faith in Babel up front in his favoured position, maybe support him a little, you know like Supporters do.

Fink Goddie wrote: »

I agree Johnson is a great signing!

Hallelujah.

Fink Goddie wrote: »

We're two down in our midfield tomorrow because there's no Gerrard helping out.

No we're not, we're 2 down up front.

Fink Goddie wrote: »

Our defence is so shakey even Carragher himself has said it.

Carragher himself should do his talking on the pitch.

Mr Alan · 16-10-2009 4:09pm

you said lets hope Yossi has a stormer totally ignoring the fact that Kuyt consistantly bangs in the goals & assists, you were implying Yossi was our only creative outlet for tomorrow.

mayordenis · 16-10-2009 4:12pm

Reina
Johnson
Carra
Skrtel
Aurelio
Masch
Lucas
Reira
Kuyt
Benayoun
Babel

not a bad 11 when you consider 2 of the top 10 players in the world are out injured.

Mr Alan · 16-10-2009 4:13pm

Fink Goddie wrote: »

We're talking about the here and now, who we have on the squad now, why talk about who i would have bought.

Why is that always your excuse when someone says the squad isnt strong enough, you say we didnt have the money blah blah blah as some kind of defence for it, instead of agreeing yeh we dont have strenght in depth!

when you piss & moan about the squad, its your round about way of taking a pop at Rafa. you know it, and i know it.

i bring up the resources available, because with what he has available to him, our squad is very good (as was proven by last seasons title challenge) & the reason our squad isn't as strong as it could be is because of the resources available.

we have lost one huge player from last years team, but gained another huge player for this years campaign, in fact more of a huge player when it comes to attacking threat.

we are without Torres & we have free scoring Kuyt as back up.

that'll do.

Fink Goddie · 16-10-2009 4:14pm

mayordenis wrote: »

Babels but in 6 or 7 good sup appearances, and ye we should put our faith in Babel up front in his favoured position, maybe support him a little, you know like Supporters do.

No we're not, we're 2 down up front.

Carragher himself should do his talking on the pitch.

Does Gerrard describe himself as a striker??
We're 2 down in midfield.
Carragher knew the criticism of the defence was right, he admitted it, you should do the same.

You dont have to be happy with everything on the team to be a supporter!

Mr Alan wrote: »

you said lets hope Yossi has a stormer totally ignoring the fact that Kuyt consistantly bangs in the goals & assists, you were implying Yossi was our only creative outlet for tomorrow.

Depends on where he's playing as i said in my earlier post

Mr Alan · 16-10-2009 4:16pm

so Dirk has to be out on the wing to be creative?

mayordenis · 16-10-2009 4:28pm

Fink Goddie wrote: »

Does Gerrard describe himself as a striker??
We're 2 down in midfield.
Carragher knew the criticism of the defence was right, he admitted it, you should do the same.

You dont have to be happy with everything on the team to be a supporter!

Depends on where he's playing as i said in my earlier post

It doesn't matter what he describes himself as, He's been playing upfront for 2 years, in our team he's a forward.
Why do you keep saying 2 in midfield? Mascherano is available tomorrow. Who's number 2?
I'm happy to criticise the defence it's been way below par, read what I said again, I said Carragher should stfu and get on with his job.

You definately do not have to be happy with everything to be a supporter.
But you do have to support to be a supporter. The hint is in the name.

The Rooster · 16-10-2009 4:43pm

Be some craic if he decides both Lucas and Mascho are too tired after their long flights!

I'd like to see Kuyt and Benny as a 2 pronged strike-force, with Babel raiding down the right.

joe123 · 16-10-2009 5:08pm

Cant see us beating sunderland tomorrow with Gerrard and Torres out.

Probably have lucas and masch in mid with Riera Benny and Babel and Kuyt up front as the lone striker.

Ughhh we have such a poor squad.

joe123 · 16-10-2009 5:17pm

mayordenis wrote: »

Reina
Johnson
Carra
Skrtel
Aurelio
Masch
Lucas
Reira
Kuyt
Benayoun
Babel

not a bad 11 when you consider 2 of the top 10 players in the world are out injured.

The bench is going to be painful to look at tomorrow. Ngog and Voronin dont strike me with confidence. If Babel actually plays well its anyones guess.

For a team supposedly challenging for the title compare our squad to Arsenal,Man City,Chelsea and United we come in last.

Xavi6 · 16-10-2009 5:20pm

I hope Zenden comes on and bags an 89th minute winner.

mike65 · 16-10-2009 5:23pm

Trolling moderator?

_blank_ · 16-10-2009 5:23pm

Xavi6 wrote: »

I hope Zenden comes on and bags an 89th 6th minute injury time winner.

fyp

_blank_ · 16-10-2009 5:24pm

mike65 wrote: »

Trolling moderator?

oversensitive fanboy :eek:

Xavi6 · 16-10-2009 5:24pm

mike65 wrote: »

Trolling moderator?

Because I want Liverpool to lose?

I always liked Zenden as a player and Liverpool losing would be good for City.

Win win

8-10 · 16-10-2009 5:54pm

I reckon one of Cana or Cattermole will eventually be replacing Mascherano. Looking forward to the midfield battle. I reckon a score draw, maybe 1-1.

mike65 · 16-10-2009 6:25pm

Des wrote: »

oversensitive fanboy :eek:

Xavi6 wrote: »

Because I want Liverpool to lose? I always liked Zenden as a player and Liverpool losing would be good for City.

Win win

Ex Liverpool player as well. Thats why I wondered if you were just stirring it.

Melion · 16-10-2009 6:35pm

Christ i fúcking hate clueless Liverpool "fans"

Xavi6 · 16-10-2009 6:36pm

mike65 wrote: »

Ex Liverpool player as well. Thats why I wondered if you were just stirring it.

Nah if I was gonna stir I'd have said a Phil Bardsley hattrick, two Carra OGs and one off Andy Reid's fat arse

mayordenis · 16-10-2009 6:42pm

Like Zenden alot still - just hope he doesn't play tbh.

bUILDERtHEbOB · 16-10-2009 6:59pm

Zenden plays for Sunderland...?

Reina

---Skrtel----Carra----Agger---
Johnson

Aurelio

Masch

Lucas

Voronin

Kuyt

Babel

5-3 Liverpool win.

mike65 · 16-10-2009 7:08pm

Yeah he was a free agent, signed last week, I think.

JPA · 16-10-2009 7:15pm

mike65 wrote: »

Yeah he was a free agent, signed last week, I think.

Just signed today.

noodler · 16-10-2009 7:32pm

joe123 wrote: »

Cant see us beating sunderland tomorrow with Gerrard and Torres out.

Probably have lucas and masch in mid with Riera Benny and Babel and Kuyt up front as the lone striker.

Ughhh we have such a poor squad.

I dunno, I have lost my Gerrardless/Torresless fears a little after our impressive displays/wins without them last season.

Also, looking forward to seeing the other players like Riera and Babel getting a chance to step up. Maybe the impetus will be spread among more players tomorrow instead of being disproportionally left to two.

16-10-2009 7:36pm

noodler wrote: »

I dunno, I have lost my Gerrardless/Torresless fears a little after our impressive displays/wins without them last season.

Also, looking forward to seeing the other players like Riera and Babel getting a chance to step up. Maybe the impetus will be spread among more players tomorrow instead of being disproportionally left to two.

Spot on

mayordenis · 16-10-2009 8:07pm

noodler wrote: »

I dunno, I have lost my Gerrardless/Torresless fears a little after our impressive displays/wins without them last season.

Also, looking forward to seeing the other players like Riera and Babel getting a chance to step up. Maybe the impetus will be spread among more players tomorrow instead of being disproportionally left to two.

It's called Henry-Arsenal Syndrome.

Happy Monday · 16-10-2009 8:16pm

Is this on television anywhere?

jesus_thats_gre · 16-10-2009 8:29pm

Fully expect us to line up as follows:

Reina

Johnson

Skrtel

Carra

Aurelio

Masch

Lucas

Babel

Benayoun

Riera----

Kuyt

Subs: Insua, Agger, Spearing, Voronin, N'gog.........

I reckon we will revert to playing a more cautious style of football, try to get an early goal and keep a clean sheet.

8-10 · 16-10-2009 8:58pm

jesus_thats_gre wrote: »

Fully expect us to line up as follows:
Reina
Johnson
Skrtel
Carra
Aurelio
Masch
Lucas
Babel
Benayoun
Riera----
Kuyt

Subs: Insua, Agger, Spearing, Voronin, N'gog.........

I reckon that line up is spot on.

Bandit12 · 16-10-2009 9:14pm

Really looking forward to this one.1-2 to the good guys

internelligent · 17-10-2009 6:38am

Going to bed in 40 mins now. Will wake up 10 mins before kick off, enough time to get a stream working and check the team line out. Liverpool will win 2-1 after coming back from behind. It will be deemed a fluke and yet again show the lack of depth in the squad because we 'got rid of' Alonso and Lucas is crap. We won't beat Lyon or Man U playing like that etc etc....Fink will lead this charge and will get critisized for his lack of faith in the team she 'supports'. I will be happy that I've Fink on my ignore list and then that feeling will turn sour since posters quote Fink's genius posts.

Should I get up tomorrow or just sleep through to Sunday?

Yours,
Nostradamus

daithijjj · 17-10-2009 9:55am

As a liverpool follower, i feel another afternoon of anxiety coming on. If sunderland play remotely as well as they did at united, we are in for a tough afternoon. Would like to see agger and babel step up today.

Chardee MacDennis · 17-10-2009 11:22am

why do you bother lads?

fink goodie =

tok9 · 17-10-2009 11:23am

Is it on tv?

Boggles · 17-10-2009 11:28am

Did I stumble into the "Lets Bully Fink Goodie Thread"?

Ye should be very proud of yourselves lads, well done, sterling!!! :rolleyes:

2-2

Bent 2
Yossi, Lucas.

Liverpool to come from 2 behind.

bigstar · 17-10-2009 12:46pm

id be fairly disappointed if i was liverpool fan not to put in a decent performance against sunderland tbh. missing your two best players shouldnt automatically mean a tough game at an average team, which sunderland are, good form or not. you'd expect sunderland to smell blood with gerrard and torres missing but liverpool should be able for them, if theyre not i think its fair to have a good look at the squad.

Sunderland V Liverpool 17/10/09 Match Thread

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