Are Liverpool ( and Rafa ) done? *Haters Gonna Hate

Xavi6

Mr Alan wrote: »

Wayne Bridge, a chelsea back up player, cost 14m, again Johnson is a far superior player.

Watched Wayne Bridge much this season out of curiosity?

Mr Alan

i've probably seen about 4or 5 City games.

Xavi6

Mr Alan wrote: »

i've probably seen about 4or 5 City games.

And you still think Johnson is far superior? Fair enough

Headshot

ill settle this

Bridge from what iv seen is equal with Glen

Mr Alan

Headshot wrote: »

ill settle this

Bridge from what iv seen is equal with Glen

6 years older too. slightly better defensively perhaps (just to humour the people who like to say glen has been poor defensively this term), but not in the same galaxy attacking wise (which like it or lump it, is vital for a modern fullback)

mayordenis

bridge is 4 years older Alan,
from what I've seen of both and it's plenty Johnson is the better footballer both are good, Johnson would edge it for me.

Going forward it's quite stark in 274 league games Bridge has scored 3 goals, in 156 league gamesJohnson has scored 9. Neither exactly profilic or anything but they're very different and johnson offers more going forward.

Mr Alan

apologies about the age thing.

builttospill

So...

Yeah, Rafa definitely has to go. What about Telly Venables?

K-9

builttospill wrote: »

So...

Yeah, Rafa definitely has to go. What about Telly Venables?

SAF?

flahavaj

LOL, lock please.

builttospill

Are United (and Fergie) done?

Dave!

builttospill wrote: »

Are United (and Fergie) done?

No, please direct your attention to exhibit A:

Stargate

K-9 wrote: »

SAF?

builttospill

Dave! wrote: »

No, please direct your attention to exhibit A:

Computer says no...

mark renton

Fergie should go - what was he doing picking scholes? and putting Owen on? was only done to irate scousers

bad decison making - Fergie to go, he's losing the plot

builttospill

john47832 wrote: »

Fergie should go - what was he doing picking scholes? and putting Owen on? was only done to irate scousers

bad decison making - Fergie to go, he's losing the plot

Hahahahaha. I was obviously joking with my jibe but are you being serious? If so brilliant. Let the games begin (in a thread about Liverpool and Rafa as well)

mark renton

builttospill wrote: »

Hahahahaha. I was obviously joking with my jibe but are you being serious? If so brilliant. Let the games begin (in a thread about Liverpool and Rafa)

I'm, deadly serious - Ive a grandad with alzheimers and he could have picked a better team for the occasion - this was never gonna be a game for the likes of Berbatov and Scholes - Giggs is only good for crossing a ball these days, and Utd have no height in attack!!

Thanks Alex - you made Rafa look far superior, and even your midfield made Lucas look half decent!!

Max Power1

john47832 wrote: »

I'm, deadly serious - Ive a grandad with alzheimers and he could have picked a better team for the occasion - this was never gonna be a game for the likes of Berbatov and Scholes - Giggs is only good for crossing a ball these days, and Utd have no height in attack!!

Thanks Alex - you made Rafa look far superior, and even your midfield made Lucas look half decent!!

Out. Seriously.

Theres the door ->


Ferguson should go???

Are you mentally retarded?

The Muppet

john47832 wrote: »

I'm, deadly serious - Ive a grandad with alzheimers and he could have picked a better team for the occasion -

I suppose he'd have picked Best Charlton and Law.

SlickRic

john47832 wrote: »

and even your midfield made Lucas look half decent!!

i vote no more lucas bashing. especially today, ffs.

and fergie leaving?

that's hilarious, if you're serious. which i suspect you're not.

flahavaj

The Muppet wrote: »

I suppose he'd have picked Best Charlton and Law.

LOUL, brilliant.

Munster Magic

john47832 wrote: »

Fergie should go - what was he doing picking scholes? and putting Owen on? was only done to irate scousers

bad decison making - Fergie to go, he's losing the plot

you have either had too much to drink or else you are a Liverpool fan, the only change I might have made to the team would be to start Anderson instead of Scholes

as for Rafa, I dont think he will win the Premiership for Liverpool, the squad he has put together isnt good enough

mark renton

no alcohol consumed today and all faculties are functioning at full spec - now can ferguson claim the same? I doubt it very much

first sign of downhill run - when utd lose he wont do interview, he sends out that dude with the sunbed tan

second sign - the whiskey nose is getting bigger and redder by the month

third sign - losing ronaldo and getting rid of tevez

i could go on... im just trying to point out that this is the start of the end

Munster Magic

john47832 wrote: »

no alcohol consumed today and all faculties are functioning at full spec - now can ferguson claim the same? I doubt it very much

first sign of downhill run - when utd lose he wont do interview, he sends out that dude with the sunbed tan

second sign - the whiskey nose is getting bigger and redder by the month

third sign - losing ronaldo and getting rid of tevez

i could go on... im just trying to point out that this is the start of the end

Ferguson did do the interview today and as for losing Ronaldo he obviously tried to keep him but Ronaldo was going and that was that so there wasnt much he could do and Tevez isnt worth the money

Bandit12

john47832 wrote: »

no alcohol consumed today and all faculties are functioning at full spec - now can ferguson claim the same? I doubt it very much

first sign of downhill run - when utd lose he wont do interview, he sends out that dude with the sunbed tan

second sign - the whiskey nose is getting bigger and redder by the month

third sign - losing ronaldo and getting rid of tevez

i could go on... im just trying to point out that this is the start of the end

Best kneejerk reaction ever.

Fromvert

Fergie for the sack?

As a Liverpool fan I'm counting down the days to his retirement. He will be harder to replace then any player United have ever had.

mike65

Thats certainly true, who will fill that void? It'll be a soap opera in itself.

cantgetright

in rafa we trust..
just get rid of masch in jan and start building for nxt season. i think utd was poor today and fergie wont go till he wins the league again..

Spiritoftheseventies

mirwillbeback wrote: »

Villa fan here, not looking at opening a Man U / Liverpool debate. But - whats your opinions on Liverpool's current situation? I personally believe 1) they ARE a 2 man team 2) they have overperformed the past 2 seasons 3 ) Rafa is too stubborn and is a key reason they are where they are now and 4) they will be 6th this year. So far already Villa, Spurs, Chelsea and Sunderland have beat them, and the challengers to the big 4 already have points and arguably the more difficult games behind them. What dya reckon?

I think after todays win, Rafa is safe for another season. Not many teams have beaten United in three consecutive league games. And I reckon Pool will finish top four no problem. But obviously we want to win the league!

The Muppet

bayviewclose wrote: »

I think after todays win, Rafa is safe for another season. Not many teams have beaten United in three consecutive league games. And I reckon Pool will finish top four no problem. But obviously we want to win the league!

I think the yanks would place more importance on staying in Europe than beating united 3 times in a row. Rafa's job didin't hinge on todays performance good or bad.

If Liverpools form doesn't improve and if they don't go through to the next round in the CL Rafa will be on a very sticky wicket particulaly if the fans turn as we saw signs of in the last european game. The only remaining question then will be can they afford to offload him.

gucci

cantgetright wrote: »

in rafa we trust..
just get rid of masch in jan and start building for nxt season. i think utd was poor today and fergie wont go till he wins the league again..

yeah, he was rubbish yesterday!

Blackhorse Slim

Masch wants to leave, so he will leave. Not in Jan, but maybe in the summer. We will get a price for him, but it will be hard to find a replacement.

Handsome Bob

mike65 wrote: »

Thats certainly true, who will fill that void? It'll be a soap opera in itself.

My vote would be for Gary Neville.

rossie1977

The Muppet wrote: »

I think the yanks would place more importance on staying in Europe than beating united 3 times in a row. Rafa's job didin't hinge on todays performance good or bad.

If Liverpools form doesn't improve and if they don't go through to the next round in the CL Rafa will be on a very sticky wicket particulaly if the fans turn as we saw signs of in the last european game. The only remaining question then will be can they afford to offload him.

if the yanks listened to the liverpool fans they themselves would be gone 2 years ago

The Muppet

rossie1977 wrote: »

if the yanks listened to the liverpool fans they themselves would be gone 2 years ago

if the yanks did not listened to the liverpool fans Rafa would be gone 2 years ago and klinsman would have taken his job;)

Spiritoftheseventies

The Muppet wrote: »

I think the yanks would place more importance on staying in Europe than beating united 3 times in a row. Rafa's job didin't hinge on todays performance good or bad.

If Liverpools form doesn't improve and if they don't go through to the next round in the CL Rafa will be on a very sticky wicket particulaly if the fans turn as we saw signs of in the last european game. The only remaining question then will be can they afford to offload him.

Well the thinking is if Rafa goes, Torres goes with him. And as was remarked on RTE last night when ever he gets into trouble, Rafa always seems to be able to turn it around

Mr Alan

The Muppet wrote: »

Rafa will be on a very sticky wicket particulaly if the fans turn as we saw signs of in the last european game.

the fans aren't near turning on him.

they boo'd a substitution he made in the last game against Lyon because Yossi is a very popular player & Voronin is not. It wasn't a new thing, its happened a few times in the last number of years, doesn't mean the fans have turned on Rafa.

Headshot

Mr Alan wrote: »

the fans aren't near turning on him.

.

do you speak for all liverpool fans ?

Mr Alan

no, but i am far more familiar with what Liverpool fans are feeling towards Rafa than yourself or Muppet :rolleyes:

as evidenced by the fact that wat, 2 Liverpool fans on this forum have turned on him? the rest are still behind him.

Headshot

Mr Alan wrote: »

no, but i am far more familiar with what Liverpool fans are feeling towards Rafa than yourself or Muppet :rolleyes:

as evidenced by the fact that wat, 2 Liverpool fans on this forum have turned on him? the rest are still behind him.

pttf

maybe you should leave your computer and go out side and talk to liverpool fans

Mr Alan

lol, the irony is delicious.

Rafas name was sung long & loud the other night against Lyon & yesterday at the match.

you're obviously a little angry after yesterdays result, so i'll cut you some slack.

Headshot

Mr Alan wrote: »

lol, the irony is delicious.

Rafas name was sung long & loud the other night against Lyon & yesterday at the match.

you're obviously a little angry after yesterdays result, so i'll cut you some slack.

lol @ you

you honestly think your a spokes person for liverpool fans

got to love that

get off your high horse alan

Mr Alan

wat are you talking about young man?

muppet said the Liverpool fans are turning on Rafa, i said they aren't, as evidenced by the general feeling of Liverpool fans on this forum, other forums & at the match.

you said i can't say that cause i'm not a spokesperson for the Liverpool fans around here, as if ****ing you & Muppet are?!

the main people pissing & moaning about Rafa in all these anti Rafa threads is Utd fans. says it all really.

Headshot

Mr Alan wrote: »

wat are you talking about young man?

muppet said the Liverpool fans are turning on Rafa, i said they aren't, as evidenced by the general feeling of Liverpool fans on this forum, other forums & at the match.

you said i can't say that cause i'm not a spokesperson for the Liverpool fans around here, as if ****ing you & Muppet are?!

the main people pissing & moaning about Rafa in all these anti Rafa threads is Utd fans. says it all really.

lol

why would utd fans be moaning about Rafa, we ****ing love that man.
krap an all

so you honestly think that booing the other night wasnt directed at rafa
how ignorant are you, anything to defend rafa ehh
I didnt make the sweeping statement

the fans aren't near turning on him.

I dont pretend to be a spokeperson for liverpool fans unlike yourself.

mike65

Only Ronnie Wheelan thinks Liverpool fans are, en masse, turning agin the Rafanator. We are not, we might get teed off now and again but there is a big difference between that and wanting him out.

Headshot

mike65 wrote: »

Only Ronnie Wheelan thinks Liverpool fans are, en masse, turning agin the Rafanator. We are not, we might get teed off now and again but there is a big difference between that and wanting him out.

"we are not"

mike you may not be turning against rafa but some are

mike65

Some never wanted him, some "turned" on him about 3 years ago. Some hate him for always playing Kuyt. So what? A managers popularity (God help us) ebbs and flows the "casuals" being those who change their minds the most. Its irrelevant really.

Mr Alan

Headshot wrote: »

so you honestly think that booing the other night wasnt directed at rafa
how ignorant are you, anything to defend rafa ehh

did you not read what i said?! it was directed at Rafa, for the sub he made. that does not mean the fans are turning against him. there was a couple of times over the last couple of years when substitutions have been boo'd by the crowd, means nothing in the grand scheme of things.

i seem to remember Fergie having a sub boo'd at OT last year when it involved Tevez, have the fans turned on Fergie?

Headshot wrote: »

I dont pretend to be a spokeperson for liverpool fans unlike yourself.

show me one instance where i claimed to, or pretended to be that. or stfu.

Headshot

Mr Alan wrote: »

did you not read what i said?! it was directed at Rafa, for the sub he made. that does not mean the fans are turning against him. there was a couple of times over the last couple of years when substitutions have been boo'd by the crowd, means nothing in the grand scheme of things.

i seem to remember Fergie having a sub boo'd at OT last year when it involved Tevez, have the fans turned on Fergie?

they were right to boo saf, because he made a mistake, last time i looked this was a liverpool and rafa thread btw and why would they turn on saf

show me one instance where i claimed to, or pretended to be that. or stfu.

the fans aren't near turning on him

population

All my mates that are Utd fans always say "Rafa is a joke" "He has to go" etc etc. So assuming he is a terrible manager, and is holding Liverpool back year on year, then why would Utd fans want us to sack him? Surely by this logic we would just kick on and win the league with another manager at your expense?

Simply put I think that under Benitez despite his shortcomings, of which he has a few I will admit, we are hard to beat and we always look likely to turn over a top side like Utd even when we are supposedly in a bad way. I think we have one of the best managers in Europe and I think we would be royally screwed without him tbh.