Are Liverpool ( and Rafa ) done? *Haters Gonna Hate

Mr Alan

The Muppet wrote: »

That never happened.

Moyes spent less than Rafa in 05/06 despite selling Rooney for £27 million the season before.

wat was the net spend in sumer 05/06?

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i thought it was more than Liverpools that summer, if it wasnt, i apologise.

however my point remains the same.

NukaCola

Right so, if Liverpool sack Rafa who would be the best replacement....

Glico Man

The King

as a short term solution more than long term

No way in hell I want Klinsmann

What did he even achieve with Bayern?

Vanbis

BumbleBee123 wrote: »

Right so, if Liverpool sack Rafa who would be the best replacement....

Phil Thompson did a great job when he was in charge for 7 games . I don't know who and i don't particular care but like most Liverpool are going backwards with Rafa.

The Muppet

Mr Alan wrote: »

wat was the net spend in sumer 05/06?

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i thought it was more than Liverpools that summer, if it wasnt, i apologise.

however my point remains the same.

Half a million less than Rafa's. Your point is not a fair one. you can't make comparisons from a single seasons transfer activity and expect them to be of any use.

monkey9

BumbleBee123 wrote: »

Right so, if Liverpool sack Rafa who would be the best replacement....

Guus Hiddink!!!! Give him whatever wages he wants.

Then buy the world class striker to take the burden off Torres. Maybe put in a double bid for Ibramovich and Messi!!!

Kuyt is a donkey so get Ronaldo from Madrid. I just can't comprehend how Rafa can't see the problems at the club and won't solve them.

In our Yank owners we trust!! May we live long and prosper under their ownship and praise their deep pockets

The Muppet

BumbleBee123 wrote: »

Right so, if Liverpool sack Rafa who would be the best replacement....

The rumour mill says Martin O Neill, I'm not sure he'd take it.

leninbenjamin

Mr Alan wrote: »

wat was the net spend in sumer 05/06?

Approx £25m. However this was offset by the sale of Rooney the previous season which resulted in a net spend of -(£20m).

Liverpools's was a few hundred thousand more at approx £25.5m for the same season, however they did not have a negative net spend the season before.

In the two seasons (04/05 & 05/06), Everton spent approx £5m, Liverpool £51m.

NukaCola

Vanbis wrote: »

Phil Thompson did a great job when he was in charge for 7 games . I don't know who and i don't particular care but like most Liverpool are going backwards with Rafa.

Phil Thompson? Give me a break....
Next!!

Mr Alan

why not?

surely you see the point i'm trying to make?

wat about Ferguson, how far did he slide down the table when he was trying to build his Utd team? should he have been sacked then?

The Muppet

The Muppet wrote: »

The rumour mill says Martin O Neill, I'm not sure he'd take it.

The Muppet rumour mill

Mr Alan

leninbenjamin wrote: »

In the two seasons (04/05 & 05/06), Everton spent approx £5m, Liverpool £51m.

net spends mate.

The Muppet wrote: »

The rumour mill says Martin O Neill, I'm not sure he'd take it.

ha ha like he'd come near our club the way it is at the minute!

NukaCola

MON over Rafa?

lordgoat

aaronh007 wrote: »

The King

as a short term solution more than long term

Elvis ? :eek:

posted this in the superthread forgetting Rafa had a thread of his own!


For all the Pool fans who think Rafa should get the bullet - Who do you think should replace him?

Mr.Nice Guy

Bandit12 wrote: »

No. There is'nt another manager in the world i'd want at the helm. If he get's the investment in players (unlikely) we will push for the league for years to come. I can only imagine what state the club would be in right now if it was'nt for Rafa.

Fans of the current top six wouldn't want another manager at the helm either.

I love the way you make it sound like he's had peanuts to spend. He forked out close to £20m on a guy who missed most of the first half of the season through injury and his right-back - who cost £17m - is being questioned over his defensive frailties. He seems to have lost faith in his left-back based on his team selection today.

Look what Martin O'Neill has had to deal with. He seems to be doing quite alright on a limited budget.

Liverpool realistically only now have the FA Cup to play for and unless they win that it will be no trophies in four years. Baffling how some fans continue to stand by the guy even if it means slagging off their own legends who have the guts to tell it like it is. The guy has taken Liverpool backwards. FACT.

NukaCola

aaronh007 wrote: »

The King

as a short term solution more than long term

No way in hell I want Klinsmann

What did he even achieve with Bayern?

I would love Kenny to take over, at any time but.......
Klinsmann? Awful....

Rekop dog

Dan Petrescu is the best new young manager in Europe IMO and has Premiership experience as in player! He's the type of manager I'd like to see there instead of a high profile name like Klinsmann if Rafa was sacked!

leninbenjamin

BumbleBee123 wrote: »

Right so, if Liverpool sack Rafa who would be the best replacement....

This is a very valid point. Liverpool can't afford Rafa's payoff, let alone a decent manager.

Makes you wonder why the American's offered him a new contract though. Was it a stunt to gain curry with the fans? Did they think Madrid's interest was serious and they could cash in on it? It's very hard to believe it was a genuine statement of confidence in Rafa considering what went on the season before and the state of the clubs finances.

NukaCola

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

FACT.

:rolleyes:
FFS get over it.....

NukaCola

Rekop dog wrote: »

Dan Petrescu is the best young manager in Europe IMO and has Premiership experience as in player! He's the type of manager I'd like to see there instead of a high profile name like Klinsmann if Rafa was sacked!

Dan ****ing Petrescu.
Get the **** out of it...
Next!!

Vanbis

BumbleBee123 wrote: »

I would love Kenny to take over, at any time but.......
Klinsmann? Awful....

If Kenny took over i could only see him doing a Keegan like he did at Newcastle when he went back, bad move altogether.

Roberto Martinez i think would be a good shout but might not have enough experience for Liverpool fans.

The Muppet

Mr Alan wrote: »

why not?

surely you see the point i'm trying to make?

wat about Ferguson, how far did he slide down the table when he was trying to build his Utd team? should he have been sacked then?

Oh I see the point you were trying to make all right, trying to back it up with flawed figures is where you went wrong.

leninbenjamin

Mr Alan wrote: »

net spends mate.

that was the net spend.

Mr Alan

leninbenjamin wrote: »

that was the net spend.

christ, thats terrifying, means in he last 3 season our net spend is about 20m

Mr Alan

The Muppet wrote: »

Oh I see the point you were trying to make all right, trying to back it up with flawed figures is where you went wrong.

the difference was a few hundred grand

send me those spreadsheets i KNOW you have on your desktop!

Mr.Nice Guy

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

Fans of the current top six wouldn't want another manager at the helm either.

I love the way you make it sound like he's had peanuts to spend. He forked out close to £20m on a guy who missed most of the first half of the season through injury and his right-back - who cost £17m - is being questioned over his defensive frailties. He seems to have lost faith in his left-back based on his team selection today.

Look what Martin O'Neill has had to deal with. He seems to be doing quite alright on a limited budget.

Liverpool realistically only now have the FA Cup to play for and unless they win that it will be no trophies in four years. Baffling how some fans continue to stand by the guy even if it means slagging off their own legends who have the guts to tell it like it is. The guy has taken Liverpool backwards. FACT.

Didn't O neill spend £25 net in summer

Anyway OT

Handsome Bob

You can't keep a bad thread down.

leninbenjamin

Mr Alan wrote: »

christ, thats terrifying, means in he last 3 season our net spend is about 20m

I'm going off http://transferleague.co.uk/. They have it down as £40m over the last 3.

Disclaimer: I know some pool fans don't like the figures on that site but they all seem close enough to me. Not enough to significantly skew the figures at least

Vanbis

Vanbis wrote: »

If Kenny took over i could only see him doing a Keegan like he did at Newcastle when he went back, bad move altogether.

Roberto Martinez i think would be a good shout but might not have enough experience for Liverpool fans.

Sack Rafa and bring in Roberto Martinez ?

I've read some tripe over the past few years on this forum but this wins hands down.

post of the year in the awards :pac:

Warper

Mr Alan wrote: »

question for you....

when David Moyes finished fourth, ahead of Liverpool. Then that summer had a higher net spend than Liverpool. and ended up finishing 11th the following season, did you think he should be sacked?

I think this answers your question. Compare how much Rafa has spent at Liverpool to what Moyes has spent at Everton. Moyes has done a much better job than Rafa has. Even getting us into the CL was a miracle and the past 2 seasons we have finished fifth as well as getting to the FA Cup final. This with a shoestring budget and you see how well he has done.

Liverpool, with their millions are no closer to winning the PL than when Rafa took over. Useless to watch and without Torres or Gerrard are bottom of the table material. For a supposedly top side to rely on just 2 players shows the type of quality Benitez has brought in. Dumped out of a crap CL Group as well. So ya keep Rafa - he is doing wonders.

Mr Alan

leninbenjamin wrote: »

I'm going off http://transferleague.co.uk/. They have it down as £40m over the last 3.

Disclaimer: I know some pool fans don't like the figures on that site but they all seem close enough to me. Not enough to significantly skew the figures at least

well, there's your mistake, that sites figures are hugely flawed unless they've changed them in the last few months.

NukaCola

Vanbis wrote: »

If Kenny took over i could only see him doing a Keegan like he did at Newcastle when he went back, bad move altogether.

Roberto Martinez i think would be a good shout but might not have enough experience for Liverpool fans.

Thats the but, Hate to see that happen.....
Matinez, meh needs more exp....

Warper

Warper wrote: »

I think this answers your question. Compare how much Rafa has spent at Liverpool to what Moyes has spent at Everton. Moyes has done a much better job than Rafa has. Even getting us into the CL was a miracle and the past 2 seasons we have finished fifth as well as getting to the FA Cup final. This with a shoestring budget and you see how well he has done.

Liverpool, with their millions are no closer to winning the PL than when Rafa took over. Useless to watch and without Torres or Gerrard are bottom of the table material. For a supposedly top side to rely on just 2 players shows the type of quality Benitez has brought in. Dumped out of a crap CL Group as well. So ya keep Rafa - he is doing wonders.

Everton 3 points above relegation.

Best not to compare both clubs.

Glico Man

Warper wrote: »

Liverpool, with their millions

What millions? Were broke don't you know....

Mr Alan

Warper wrote: »

I think this answers your question. Compare how much Rafa has spent at Liverpool to what Moyes has spent at Everton. Moyes has done a much better job than Rafa has. Even getting us into the CL was a miracle and the past 2 seasons we have finished fifth as well as getting to the FA Cup final. This with a shoestring budget and you see how well he has done.

Liverpool, with their millions are no closer to winning the PL than when Rafa took over. Useless to watch and without Torres or Gerrard are bottom of the table material. For a supposedly top side to rely on just 2 players shows the type of quality Benitez has brought in. Dumped out of a crap CL Group as well. So ya keep Rafa - he is doing wonders.

1) Everton didnt get into the Champions League.
2) Its all relative in terms of money spent, both the net spends are not what they need to be if the clubs wanna get to where they wanna go.
3)Rafa has won trophies and regularly competed among the biggest & best clubs in the world to win the CL. Moyes has not.
4)Last season without torres & gerrard for long stretches, we came 2nd in the league.
5)Lyon & Fiorentina are quality teams.

Vanbis

rarnes1 wrote: »

Sack Rafa and bring in Roberto Martinez ?

I've read some tripe over the past few years on this forum but this wins hands down.

post of the year in the awards :pac:

If Rafa stays then i'll be happy, as i said don't really care but Liverpool not making top 4 this season will hit them financially and the way Aston Villa and Spurs are going i can't see them getting it.

Also MON would be crazy to take Liverpool over and would be surprised if did should Rafa get the boot or walk.

Warper

rarnes1 wrote: »

Everton 2 points above relegation.

Best not to compare both clubs.

Thats 3 points above relegation with probably the worst injury crisis in the PL. Btw just 7 points behind Liverpool. But you are partially right about not comparing the 2 clubs on a par as the financial wealth of the 2 clubs are so far apart.

The Muppet

Mr Alan wrote: »

well, there's your mistake, that sites figures are hugely flawed unless they've changed them in the last few months.

LOL , Seriously AL.

Mr Alan wrote: »

1) Everton didnt get into the Champions League.
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They did actually AL but had to give up their place when some jammy team won the thing.

Vanbis

Vanbis wrote: »

If Rafa stays then i'll be happy, as i said don't really care but Liverpool not making top 4 this season will hit them financially and the way Aston Villa and Spurs are going i can't see them getting it.

Also MON would be crazy to take Liverpool over and would be surprised if did should Rafa get the boot or walk.

Spurs lost at home to Wolves yesterday

GLaDOS

The Muppet wrote: »

They did actually AL but had to give up their place when some jammy team won the thing.

Nay, they got their place, lost out in the qualifiers (to villareal I believe?)

Rekop dog

Mr Alan wrote: »

5)Lyon & Fiorentina are quality teams.

Fiorentina are a far cry from being a quality team! They're 8 in a very weak league this year, miles away from Inter who aren't even quality! They haven't been even close to challenging for titles recenely!

The Muppet

The Muppet wrote: »

They did actually AL but had to give up their place when some jammy team won the thing.

oh dear

showing your football knowledge there !!

Vanbis

rarnes1 wrote: »

Spurs lost at home to Wolves yesterday

They have lost less games then Liverpool and actually looking like winning, Aston Villa i think will take 4th out ahead of Spurs.

leninbenjamin

Mr Alan wrote: »

well, there's your mistake, that sites figures are hugely flawed unless they've changed them in the last few months.

No offence, but I've often heard Pool fans say this yet I've never seen them offer any evidence to the contrary.

I've googled a few names and I've found nothing wrong with the figures. They don't include add ons is the only thing that stands out, but add ons should never be included anyway as they are generally based on conditional income.

Mr Alan

Rekop dog wrote: »

Fiorentina are a far cry from being a quality team! They're 8 in a very weak league this year, miles away from Inter who aren't even quality! They haven't been even close to challenging for titles recenely!

i think they're gonna do well in the CL this year if they can keep players. they've impressed me anytime i've seen them this season.

ScienceNerd wrote: »

Nay, they got their place, lost out in the qualifiers (to villareal I believe?)

true.

so they werent in the CL,as i said.

NukaCola

The Muppet wrote: »

They did actually AL but had to give up their place when some jammy team won the thing.

Ya......thats what happend.....

Vanbis

Vanbis wrote: »

They have lost less games then Liverpool and actually looking like winning, Aston Villa i think will take 4th out ahead of Spurs.

a fair prediction with 22 games left.

I think it will be tight but every team will have a bad run.

Mr Alan

leninbenjamin wrote: »

No offence, but I've often heard Pool fans say this yet I've never seen them offer any evidence to the contrary.

I've googled a few names and I've found nothing wrong with the figures. They don't include add ons is the only thing that stands out, but add ons should never be included anyway as they are generally based on conditional income.

they have Torres down as 26.5m.

he cost 20m according to the liverpool echo & the bbc, the two most relible sources of LFC transfers.

thats a 6.5m difference on one transfer.

Warper

Mr Alan wrote: »

1) Everton didnt get into the Champions League.
Ok we got to the qualifying stage by virtue of us finishing ahead of Liverpool and then drew Villareal who managed to get to the semi-finals.
2) Its all relative in terms of money spent, both the net spends are not what they need to be if the clubs wanna get to where they wanna go.
Rafa inherited wealth by the value of their squad which was worth more than any Everton squad in terms of transfer value.
3)Rafa has won trophies and regularly competed among the biggest & best clubs in the world to win the CL. Moyes has not.
Again, Rafa inherited a Top 4 team whose wealth massively exceeds what Moyes inherited. It wasnt even Rafa's team that won (robbed) the CL anyways, it was the team he inherited. Now this is his team and remind me what was the last trophy they won as I honestly cant remember. He has formed a team that cant make it past the Group stages.
4)Last season without torres & gerrard for long stretches, we came 2nd in the league.
There was nearly always 1 of them available in a year that saw Chelsea in crisis sacking their manager half way through the season as they were out of the title race by Xmas. Arsenal were also all over the place as were Utd yet they still had the League won by February. It was the lowest points winning title in years with all the top teams under-performing apart from Liverpool who over-performed.
5)Lyon & Fiorentina are quality teams.

Lyon are decent but not even the best team in France.
Fiorentina are a poor side miles off the top in Italy and in Europe.