future of sfp post 2012

alleyb

Does anyone have any thoughts whats going to happen posy 2012 and th sfp.
1 . presume it'll decrease by by a large percentage
2. maybe totally wiped out by our socialist friends
3. the green party will come up with a new system where by we will only get paid when we go back to the horse and plough, no machine and each animal to have a department of ag daily inspection.

Pharaoh1

I'm surprised there is not more debate as we are almost into 2010.
Also a reluctance for most to admit that the SFP is actually the farm income (post REPS and with reducing DAS)
Just to take an example there are two guys close to me who farm a similar acreage
Farmer A through intensive beef finishing and collecting 10, 22 month and slaughter premia built up SFP of almost 30k
Farmer B had a suckler herd without much quota and sold all progeny in the mart claiming very little and his SFP is less than 3K
Are we going to have a situation where these two will have a similar payment post 2013? Is this fair?
I think the IFA are proposing retention of payments based on the reference years.

Rujib1

Pharaoh1 wrote: »

I'm surprised there is not more debate as we are almost into 2010.
Also a reluctance for most to admit that the SFP is actually the farm income (post REPS and with reducing DAS)
Just to take an example there are two guys close to me who farm a similar acreage
Farmer A through intensive beef finishing and collecting 10, 22 month and slaughter premia built up SFP of almost 30k
Farmer B had a suckler herd without much quota and sold all progeny in the mart claiming very little and his SFP is less than 3K
Are we going to have a situation where these two will have a similar payment post 2013? Is this fair?
I think the IFA are proposing retention of payments based on the reference years.

At least that is reassuring. The IFA is certainly not one of those organisations run for the benefit of the top table, and certainly is not an organisation, which would waste members money, by flying the top table boys back and fouth to Brussels to stay in top hotels, drink good Belgian beer etc, just to make a token demonstration outside the EU offices etc,.. No that never happens in IFA. They are wholeheartedly in it for the common good, especially the good of the small holders in the west of Ireland.
So if IFA say, stick with the reference years formula, I know it must be good.

Cran

how can it be fair to stick with reference years that are over 10 years previously. A lot of farms will have changed hands in the intervening years and its hardly fair that farmer A gets so much more than B based on production over a decade previously??

Pharaoh1

I don't know what would constitute a fair system It seems that a flat rate per hectare payment is the most likely option.
The thing that concerns me is that like the last time there will be a number of people "in the know" who will work the system and end up with the top payments.
A flat rate payment that pays no attention to production or land quality hardly seems fair either.
I am inclined to keep stocking rates high in case those who cut down on numbers are penalised but I could be way off.

nilhg

When the last system was being introduced there was a clear commitment that the emphasis was on keeping the payments in the hands of active producers in that the premia were not tied to the land they were originally established on and the fact that stacking was allowed.

A move back to a flat rate system would be a reversal of this idea, in that it would put an automatic minimum into the land rental market so all rental would be on the basis of the flat rate plus a negotiated extra.

Interesting times ahead.

k mac

I have no sfp because i was not farming at that time but i know it is possible to buy entitlements . Would it be viable if it is to finish in 2012

JohnBoy

contact the dept and see what you can get from the national reserve

k mac

i did that already johnboy , i sent in a application last april and never even got a reply to say they received it . My reps planner said it is near impossible to get anything from them

whelan1

i too had only started farming in the reference years so got quite a raw deal .:( hopefully active farmers will benefit from any new deal

snowman707

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K

In relation to the farm payment post 2012, who knows what will happen. IF averaging is applied, then it could possibly be at DED level as opposed to national.

I was told of this possibility also, will have to wait and see.

Curious Geroge

DED level ?

Does this imply that the part time farmer gets less even if he/she is herding the same as a full time farmer that cant get a job (even if they want one ?)..

Dont get me wring here, I think that the old way of getting paid your grant payments was fair !! The SPF allows you to double up by getting your old grant payments and a nice clean move into suckler and your doubling your previous profit margin but its needed to stay alive. If you've not got this ability, most have gone with off the farm work which could be penalized if the part time farmer gets payments cut !!