Gamers Unite! We're being screwed!

Vegeta

Seifer

Liamario wrote: »

No, that isn't my point. The OP asked for everyone to sign the petition, even console players. Why would I sympathise with PC players and sign the petition when they are complaining that they are being treated the same as the console players.

Because console players put up with a lot of **** is reason enough that pc players should accept it?

Liamario wrote:

Just to make it clear, my point is that I have no sympathy for you- expecially when you consider that come launch day you will have your copy in your hand like most of the other petition signers.

No I won't? I'll most likely be playing the l4d2 demo.
I won't be buying this game unless they reverse this latest moronic, money grubbing decision.

Steffano2002

Vegeta wrote: »

LOLLLL! Excellent!

Although I'm both so I don't quite agree with it...

johnny_ultimate

While I do not approve of the way PC gamers are being treated here, and I support your cause (although I don't usually sign online petitions as they don't tend to get very far - sorry!) I do agree that PC gaming can be quite inaccessible at times, and that for a majority of consumers (myself included, and I'm sure many others here) a more streamlined service such as XBL or the one proposed for MW2 is actually beneficial compared to the relatively complicated PC scene. That said, in a perfect situation, both the 'matchmaking' service and the dedicated server option would be in place to please both audiences, and yes, the unfortunate reality is money is probably the driving force here. Unfortunately, the changing reality of gaming is being reflected in this decision. You can argue all you want - and I do agree with your complaints, they should be made - but there is so little money in PC gaming these days compared to consoles (and while there are plenty of genuine players, the amount of piracy is staggering), and trying to emulate the experience on PC is probably going to be what publishers will try to push in the future. No, it isn't fair, but alas not everything is.

Steffano2002

Liamario wrote: »

No, that isn't my point. The OP asked for everyone to sign the petition, even console players. Why would I sympathise with PC players and sign the petition when they are complaining that they are being treated the same as the console players.

I'm asking to sign this petition because the CoD:MW2 PC Gaming Community will be inexistant! Not because we get map packs free of charge! I don't actually mind paying for map packs. I won't be happy, of course, but I don't mind that much...

My main issue (and it's the main issue for all PC gamers) is that we won't be allowed to have our own servers that we pay for unlike Console gamers!

If we can't have our own servers, we can't play MW2. End of story. All FPS games have dedicated servers. It's been like this since day 1. Changing it is disastrous for our community. That is why I'm asking ALL gamers to sign this petition, regardless of platform.

Kinetic^

Stop the trolling, bad language and "I piracy" stuff. Any more of it and bans will be issued and posts deleted.

Liamario

Seifer wrote: »

Because console players put up with a lot of **** is reason enough that pc players should accept it?

Again, you are putting words into my mouth. I don't care if you accept it or not. Sign the petition, don't buy the game, do whatever you like to make you feel better. I just don't sympathise with you.

Vegeta

Steffano2002 wrote: »

LOLLLL! Excellent!

Although I'm both so I don't quite agree with it...

Neither do I, my PC died about 3-4 years ago and I've played consoles exclusively ever since.

Personally I hate paying for DLC and "Horse Armour" style content; I cannot believe people will pay for that sh1te. So I don't like to see that model gaining ground.

A point worth noting is that its usually not the developers wish and more often than not its the publishers agenda, it may even be at odds with the developers wishes.

Hercule

1. Finally having to pay for DLC on the PC is only a marginal concern in this situation, especially with regards this petition. - it makes up maybe 1% of the reason why the average PC gamer is unhappy with this decision. This is not a rant against paid DLC.

2. From listening to the bashandslash podcasts where Rob Bowling from IW broke the news it was apparent that at least the community manager was not aware of what the PC community wanted, this is undeniable - he literally blanks when the presenter asks him is he prepared for the backlash the decisions would create.

3. This "moaning" that the PC community has presented has been met with hostility by both sides of the console war - this is not a platform argument, the features the PC community are demanding would also benefit the xbox version and PS3 versions if they could be implemented.

4. The level of whine or the aforementioned "nerd-rage" has reached this level due to the total media blackout IW have given - weeks of being ignored will drive people to radical language and action (such as advocating piracy).

Steffano2002

Liamario wrote: »

Again, you are putting words into my mouth. I don't care if you accept it or not. Sign the petition, don't buy the game, do whatever you like to make you feel better. I just don't sympathise with you.

Pity you feel that way... Look forward to seeing your reaction when you have to enter your credit card details in your PSN/Xbox Live to play online for €1 EUR a pop or €30 EUR a month... IMO, that's the next step for companies like Activision...

Steffano2002

Vegeta wrote: »

A point worth noting is that its usually not the developers wish and more often than not its the publishers agenda, it may even be at odds with the developers wishes.

I agree. I don't think the developers came up with that brain fart. All they want is to develop an excellent game that their Customers can enjoy for years to come. Unfortunately, the people in power are the ones looking after the balance sheets. They don't care if we like the game as long as it is a financial success. And they just want to squeeze every single penny out of it!

Well, they lost my €50 EUR by making that decision...

Liamario

Steffano2002 wrote: »

Pity you feel that way... Look forward to seeing your reaction when you have to enter your credit card details in your PSN/Xbox Live to play online for €1 EUR a pop or €30 EUR a month... IMO, that's the next step for companies like Activision...

I do understand your position and if I was in the same situation, I'd probably feel the same. But it's impossible for me to empathise when the new service being described sounds like Xbox Live/PSN. The only reason I'm getting the xbox version and not the PS3 version is because of the service being superior and easier to use.
If Activision decided they would charge PC players MMO type fees to play the game online, then I would most definitely sign the petition.

humanji

Steffano2002 wrote: »

Pity you feel that way... Look forward to seeing your reaction when you have to enter your credit card details in your PSN/Xbox Live to play online for €1 EUR a pop or €30 EUR a month... IMO, that's the next step for companies like Activision...

And you honestly think that a little petition is going to stop companies in the future trying to maximise profits?

I hate to be the one who has to tell you, but they dont' care. They really don't need yours or my custom. There'll be plenty of people who will buy it regardless and the only ones who will lose out are the ones who don't get to play the game because they didn't buy it. IW and Activision will get their mountain of money and those who got the game will quickly adapt to it's online server setup.

The only thing that would happen if nobody bought the PC version of the game is that Modern Warfare 3 will be console only. 360 and PS3 owners aren't going to boycott it in the same way PC gamers didn't boycott the likes of Fallout 3 when it made users pay for DLC.

It's a sorry state of affairs, but that's the reality of the matter.

Krieg

Steffano2002 wrote: »

Well, they lost my €50 €60 EUR by making that decision...

Fyp

Retr0gamer

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

While I do not approve of the way PC gamers are being treated here, and I support your cause (although I don't usually sign online petitions as they don't tend to get very far - sorry!) I do agree that PC gaming can be quite inaccessible at times, and that for a majority of consumers (myself included, and I'm sure many others here) a more streamlined service such as XBL or the one proposed for MW2 is actually beneficial compared to the relatively complicated PC scene. That said, in a perfect situation, both the 'matchmaking' service and the dedicated server option would be in place to please both audiences, and yes, the unfortunate reality is money is probably the driving force here.

Complicated? It's really rather simple. I figured it out when shareware Quake came out and I was 15 then. You search for a server, arrange them by ping and pick the best one. If you like the server add it to your favourites. On a console, you click matchmaking and roll the roullette wheel and after 5 minutes end up in a laggy match filled with morons.

Hercule

THIS IS NOT A RANT AGAINST PAID DLC

3rd time now - if you dont know what this is about stop tacking on to something unrelated and arguing about that! I regret mentioning DLC as its all everyone seems to have homed in on.

on another note:

Fact is CoD4 sold 13,000,000 copies that split

is around :
1,500,000 for PC
7,000,000 for XBOX
4,500,000 for PS3 and

of that 50,000 signatures is not even going to scratch it unfortunately - I have a funny feeling the execs dont lose sleep over nerd tears :pac:

Liamario

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Complicated? It's really rather simple. I figured it out when shareware Quake came out and I was 15 then. You search for a server, arrange them by ping and pick the best one. If you like the server add it to your favourites. On a console, you click matchmaking and roll the roullette wheel and after 5 minutes end up in a laggy match filled with morons.

The joys of console gaming. I tell you what people, when someone alters the petition to include dedicated servers for consoles as well, I'll sign it.

Hercule

Liamario wrote: »

The joys of console gaming. I tell you what people, when someone alters the petition to include dedicated servers for consoles as well, I'll sign it.

see point 3 of my previous post

Vyse

Definitely won't be picking this up at launch. Will pick up a second hand copy around Christmas. Not becuase of the PC issue but the fact they are increasing the RRP. Won't buy an Activision game again.

TerrorFirmer

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Complicated? It's really rather simple. I figured it out when shareware Quake came out and I was 15 then. You search for a server, arrange them by ping and pick the best one. If you like the server add it to your favourites. On a console, you click matchmaking and roll the roullette wheel and after 5 minutes end up in a laggy match filled with morons.

I have to say that summarizes things far better then much more complex posts have. Straightforward problem, simple synopsis. I'm not going to outright say I won't buy MW2 now, but I'll certainly consider going back to COD4 instead and forgetting about MW2. Or buy MW2 second hand at some stage. Above in one of the reasons I have such a love/hate relationship with Left4Dead. It can take up to 20 minutes to find a good, reliable game, as opposed to the usual scenario of a server where half the players have good pings, the other half are 300-400m/s. I know there's a server browser but it doesn't work for me properly. COD MW2 won't even have that server browser option. The thought of sitting in front of my PC constantly cycling through countless servers trying to find a remotely decent one irks me no end and puts me right off the game.

Rev Hellfire

Well clearly the p2p model works as is evidenced by the sales figures provided.
If you're not going to bother creating a dedicated server option for the consoles it doesn't make financial sense to do so for the PC platform when the existing model you've engineered is up to the job.

I'm almost tempted to start a petition to force PC users to use controllers and disable the keyboard and mouse in game

Liamario

This whole console/pc debate also raises the question of what the hell am i paying a xbox live subscription for?

Hercule

Liamario wrote: »

This whole console/pc debate also raises the question of what the hell am i paying a xbox live subscription for?

take it to another thread ffs

L31mr0d

Retr0gamer wrote: »

roll the roullette wheel

How do you roll a roulette wheel? Is that some country game involving a farmers hill and some casino ex-stock

hooradiation

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

The thought of sitting in front of my PC constantly cycling through countless servers trying to find a remotely decent one irks me no end and puts me right off the game.

Lets be honest here, that's the situation regardless of matchmaking or if you have a server browser. I'm going to have the same frustrating experience of sifting through servers filled with people i don't want to play with anyway, before randomly happening on one that, for the while at least, isn't as bad as everything else.

This isn't going to stop me buying the game to be honest, I'll probably pick it up if the single player mode is as good as or improved from the one in CoD4. And this system of online gaming suits me just fine as i really do not care about competitive gaming or all that.
I want to be able to jump in, grenade spam for about 20 minutes then leave again.

Something tells me this won't have *that* big an impact. People will shout loudly on forums, then go away and steal it, thinking they're sticking it to the man.
Which will just reinforce activisions stance on the whole thing anyway.

TerrorFirmer

hooradiation wrote: »

Lets be honest here, that's the situation regardless of matchmaking or if you have a server browser. I'm going to have the same frustrating experience of sifting through servers filled with people i don't want to play with anyway, before randomly happening on one that, for the while at least, isn't as bad as everything else.

This isn't going to stop me buying the game to be honest, I'll probably pick it up if the single player mode is as good as or improved from the one in CoD4. And this system of online gaming suits me just fine as i really do not care about competitive gaming or all that.
I want to be able to jump in, grenade spam for about 20 minutes then leave again.

Something tells me this won't have *that* big an impact. People will shout loudly on forums, then go away and steal it, thinking they're sticking it to the man.
Which will just reinforce activisions stance on the whole thing anyway.

By decent I was referring to latency...when I play Left4Dead, it takes about 10 attempts to find a strong server where each player has a good ping, as opposed to a server where everyone has a terrible ping, one person has a terrible ping, it's half and half, and so on. Whereas a server browser eliminates that problem. It's a large part of the reason that if I'm just casually playing a game for 45 minutes I won't touch Left4Dead and opt for something else.

Retr0gamer

Anyone remember trying to find a server in L4D when it first came out with no server list and only a matchmaking option to find a free server? It's going to be the same with this. A laggy mess.

Hmm Terrorfirmer got there first.

the_syco

Just had a LoL. Consolers can't do much in the way of changing their game, but PC modders can.

I'll say someone pissed off enough will make a mod which will allow people to connect to servers.

Kinetic^

hooradiation perma-banned for dual accounts.

smithy1981

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