Q to Liverpool fans: Is Liverpool vs Man Utd bigger than the Merseyside derby?

thomond2006

It's a question thats been bugging me for a while.

No doubt the media and Sky Sports build up to Pool vs MU will be huge.

Is this game higher in importance than Liverpool vs Everton to all you Liverpool fans?

Both games are undoubtedly huge to all Reds supporters, but what is the biggest?

dannydiamond

Merseyside Derby everytime, nothing compares to beating your local rivals.

Too right it is.

Helix

to foreign liverpool fans im sure its far bigger, mainly coz they dont have to live with the abuse from their fellow liverpuddlians in work

same way the birmingham derby means nowhere near as much to me as it does to people from brum

Holsten

Merseyside Derby everytime, nothing compares to beating your local rivals.

Yes, it's massive.

jank

Does a bear $hit in the woods?

GLaDOS

Helix wrote: »

to foreign liverpool fans im sure its far bigger, mainly coz they dont have to live with the abuse from their fellow liverpuddlians in work

same way the birmingham derby means nowhere near as much to me as it does to people from brum

Pretty much, a derby means feck all if you don't live there. With so many pool and utd fans over here it almost is the equivalent of a derby here really.

L'prof

Helix wrote: »

to foreign liverpool fans im sure its far bigger, mainly coz they dont have to live with the abuse from their fellow liverpuddlians in work

same way the birmingham derby means nowhere near as much to me as it does to people from brum

Same with me and Spurs, I've never hated them (even though I'm "supposed to") and since they play good football, I quite liked them for a while. Haven't been as keen on them since they nearly qualified for the champions league though.

As for the thread, it's irrelevant here as the answer is obviously going to be United...sure as an Arsenal fan, United is the biggest game in my calendar every year!

orourkeda

jasonorr wrote: »

Same with me and Spurs, I've never hated them (even though I'm "supposed to") and since they play good football, I quite liked them for a while. Haven't been as keen on them since they nearly qualified for the champions league though.

As for the thread, it's irrelevant here as the answer is obviously going to be United...sure as an Arsenal fan, United is the biggest game in my calendar every year!

Spurs = Good football.

I havent laughed as much in quite some time. Brilliant.

Its not very often that these types of games deliver on the hype. They rarely justify their billing.

smoochie06

Merseyside Derby everytime, nothing compares to beating your local rivals.

For me it is bigger but i think to the Liverpool fans living in Liverpool Everton would be a bigger game. All to do with bragging rights.

Bandit12

Merseyside Derby everytime, nothing compares to beating your local rivals.

Of course it is. Two most successful teams in the history of English football who hate every single thing about the other. Everton just are'nt in the same zip code when it comes to the united game.

mink_man

yes!

Mr. Presentable

It could be called the Derby of England.

Oh, not a Liverpool fan

Handsome Bob

Liverpool vs Chelsea/Arsenal is bigger imo.

It's gotten to the stage where all I care about is the 3 points. I'd happily lose to Man U if it meant that in the grand scheme of things that we won the league.

L'prof

orourkeda wrote: »

Spurs = Good football.

I havent laughed as much in quite some time. Brilliant.

Right, so Spurs don't play entertaining football?

Kess73

Every game in the PL is just another opportunity to get 3 points.

The games against Everton are the first games I look for each season when the fixtures come out, the next pair are the United games.


I know most people who are not from or have not lived in Liverpool will chose the United games though, especially now with it tied at 18 titles apiece.


For me it will always be the Derby games though, and I put it down to having lived in Liverpool and having spent a chunk of my school years there. I still have family and friends there, who are blues, on the phone for about a month before matchday with banter, with emails/texts being swapped also.

They are also the two games that I make the most effort to get back over to see each season as the atmosphere is totally different than any other Liverpool game for anyone with links to the city because if you lose you are going to be hearing about it for a long long time.

stovelid

You'd have to ask on a forum where actual Liverpool supporters post to get a more accurate answer.

I don;t think a derby will mean as much to non-Liverpudlians.

Mr Alan

stovelid wrote: »

You'd have to ask on a forum where actual Liverpool supporters post to get a more accurate answer.

I don;t think a derby will mean as much to non-Liverpudlians.

let me guess? LOI mafia?

Nalz

A derby is defined geographically yes?

If so, I honestly believe that this question should be put towards people who live within that region.

After all, there is rivalry between Manchester United and Liverpool. But if either club were not as big and as successful as the other, I think that rivalry would be almost non existent. For example, Tranmere and Oldham don't really have a massive rivalry do they? Oldham is north east of Manchester city centre. Tranmere is across the mersey afaik.

Ask a Bohemians fan how he felt in Dalymount when the news filtered through that Cork scored a second vs Rovers.

The feeling of coming into work/school/dole office here in Ireland as a Manchester United/Liverpool fan suffering from defeat to the other the previous day is horrible. I can only imagine a Liverpool fan brought up in Liverpool would feel exactly the same way after a defeat to Everton. As would a United fan after a City defeat.

As I said, I can only imagine re the Liverpool fans. As my family lived in Manchester (split red/blue) and some still do, I know how they feel!

Walsh

If your from Liverpool no, anywhere else yes.

stovelid

Mr Alan wrote: »

let me guess? LOI mafia?

Your surmise. Not mine.

A derby, as said, is a geographical thing and I'm not sure why non-Liverpudlians would be worked up about it unless something was at stake. Matches between Liverpool and United usually have more at stake.

The poll results so far would appear to bear this out.

Paul Tergat

stovelid wrote: »

Your surmise. Not mine.

Bollocks. You using the word actual is clearly a dig.

Fromvert

stovelid wrote: »

You'd have to ask on a forum where actual Liverpool supporters post to get a more accurate answer.

I don;t think a derby will mean as much to non-Liverpudlians.

Do no ''actual Liverpool supporters'' post here?

Nalz

p_larkin99 wrote: »

Bollocks. You using the word actual is clearly a dig.

Honestly I dont think he was, but sure if he was then feck it we all might as well move on now anyways!

cHaTbOx

Sorry not L'pool fan but my opinion on it from know some diehard fans

Mr Alan wrote: »

let me guess? LOI mafia?

I think he meant Liverpudlians Liverpool fans

I think there are different things at stake in both derbies and to say one is bigger depends on what you are valuing the match on .

In the Merseyside derby it is a town rivalry , people who live work together and yeah the p1ss take in the schools and workplaces in the city the day after , I think it has a different feel to the manU-liverpool. Two teams close together in the spoils for trophies , fighting it out at the top for a long time , and very close to feel like a derby but not in the same town so maybe a little more animosity and wanting to prove themselves against each other.

So I think the Merseyside match is still bigger deal to Liverpudlians because it is an event where families are torn , but I believe there is more animosity between manU and L'pool that makes it bigger to the wide scale.

Then again I may be totally wrong **shrugs**

Paul Tergat

Trilla wrote: »

Honestly I dont think he was, but sure if he was then feck it we all might as well move on now anyways!

If the word liverpudlians instead of actual fans then fair enough. But actual liverpool fans was the term used, clear dig and just annoying. Although well done in taking over, what was it, maybe 16 posts before someone started. Improvement :rolleyes:

Paul Tergat

cHaTbOx wrote: »

I think he meant Liverpudlians Liverpool fans

This doesnt help. Are ya saying actual fans = liverpudlians - what does this makes the Irish fans on here? As I said before, its obvious what was meant

stovelid

p_larkin99 wrote: »

Bollocks. You using the word actual is clearly a dig.

Fromvert wrote: »

Do no ''actual Liverpool supporters'' post here?

I meant geographically distinct Liverpool supporters in this instance.

Typically, I would think that you should be from the city (or country) of the team that you support, but in this case (this thread) that wasn't the point I was making.

What I said was sound imo: why would people not from Liverpool care about Everton when they don't challenge each other in a meaningful sense?

dyl10

Merseyside Derby everytime, nothing compares to beating your local rivals.

Liverpool v United is the big one.
I assume if I was from Liverpool, the Mersyside would mean more.
It's hard to care much about a local derby, when you've ties with the locality.

BaZmO*

ScienceNerd wrote: »

Pretty much, a derby means feck all if you don't live there. With so many pool and utd fans over here it almost is the equivalent of a derby here really.

The Sky Sports Derby

Paul Tergat

stovelid wrote: »

Typically, I would think that you should be from the city (or country) of the team that you support, but in this case (this thread) that wasn't the point I was making.

Call me cynical but this is the route you were looking at imo

stovelid wrote: »

What I said was sound imo: why would people not from Liverpool care about Everton when they don't challenge each other in a meaningful sense?

This is not what you said, you said actual liverpool fans. In reference to what is being discussed in the thread I think its pretty clear what you were getting at.

Nalz

BaZmO* wrote: »

The Sky Sports Derby

lol harsh!

Fromvert

stovelid wrote: »

I meant geographically distinct Liverpool supporters in this instance.

Typically, I would think that you should be from the city (or country) of the team that you support, but in this case (this thread) that wasn't the point I was making.

What I said was sound imo: why would people not from Liverpool care about Everton when they don't challenge each other in a meaningful sense?

Why not say Liverpudlians then and not ''actual Liverpool supporters''.

You were having a dig. Be man enough to admit it.

cHaTbOx

p_larkin99 wrote: »

This doesnt help. Are ya saying actual fans = liverpudlians - what does this makes the Irish fans on here? As I said before, its obvious what was meant

I did not mention actual fans , and sometime people post the way they would say it and forget to emphasise the word the like Liverpool in a way that mean both fan of Liverpool and Liverpudlian .
Also why do you care what someone says in a post makes the irish fans on here? If you support the club , you support the club , but the liverpool football club is part of the city of liverpool and of course growing up in different environment means you feel differently towards things.

stovelid

p_larkin99 wrote: »

This is not what you said, you said actual liverpool fans. In reference to what is being discussed in the thread I think its pretty clear what you were getting at.

The post you're weeping about also makes a reference to 'non-Liverpudlians'.

Basically, Irish Liverpool fans have built up a bitter rivalry with United and it's easy to see why the results matter.

To hallucinate a geographical rivalry involving a city that none of them are from would be silly.

As is evidenced in the poll.

Paul Tergat

cHaTbOx wrote: »

I did not mention actual fans , and sometime people post the way they would say it and forget to emphasise the word the like Liverpool in a way that mean both fan of Liverpool and Liverpudlian .
Also why do you care what someone says in a post makes the irish fans on here? If you support the club , you support the club , but the liverpool football club is part of the city of liverpool and of course growing up in different environment means you feel differently towards things.

I never said you mentioned actual, but its the implication based on your post and his.

Of course it may mean something different to people who are from there but people have no right to come in and say that Pool fans on here are not actual fans and imo that was clearly being implied despite all the backtracking now.

stovelid wrote: »

The post you're weeping about also makes a reference to 'non-Liverpudlians'.

Basically, Irish Liverpool fans have built up a bitter rivalry with United and it's easy to see why the results matter.

To hallucinate a geographical rivalry involving a city that none of them are from would be silly.

As is evidenced in the poll.

You make very good points. Now why not just say that in the first place and not try and imply that irish Pool fans are not, IN YOUR OWN WORDS, actual fans.

stovelid

p_larkin99 wrote: »

INow why not just say that in the first place and not try and imply that irish Pool fans are no, IN YOUR OWN WORDS, actual fans.

I can't legislate for people's defensiveness?

Paul Tergat

stovelid wrote: »

I can't legislate for people's defensiveness?

Yeah sure, thats what it was.

cHaTbOx

p_larkin99 wrote: »

I never said you mentioned actual, but its the implication based on your post and his.

So if I didn't say it and you acknowledge I didn't say it what are you talking about implications for

Of course it may mean something different to people who are from there but people have no right to come in and say that Pool fans on here are not actual fans and imo that was clearly being implied despite all the backtracking now.

What am I back tracking on ? It's like you are chasing after a ghost that said if you are not from the town you are not an actual fan . Which you acknowledge I didn't say but apparently implied?I think you are getting my views mixed with another poster , I just commented on what I thought he meant when he said actual Liverpool fan.
All I am saying is that there is a different feeling to being a fan from the city the team resides than in a place other than there supporting the team . I really need to work on clarity .

Fromvert

cHaTbOx wrote: »

So if I didn't say it and you acknowledge I didn't say it what are you talking about implications for

What am I back tracking on ? It's like you are chasing after a ghost that said if you are not from the town you are not an actual fan . Which you acknowledge I didn't say but apparently implied?I think you are getting my views mixed with another poster , I just commented on what I thought he meant when he said actual Liverpool fan.
All I am saying is that there is a different feeling to being a fan from the city the team resides than in a place other than there supporting the team . I really need to work on clarity .

I don't think he's saying you implied anything. Its directed at stovelid.

stovelid

cHaTbOx wrote: »

All I am saying is that there is a different feeling to being a fan from the city the team resides than in a place other than there supporting the team .

Basically what I said.

Although my feelings are known on the matter, I didn't intend to make the specific "real/actual "point here in anything other than geographical distinction (although I would do so if it was the topic) so I don't want things to go off-track on the back of that.

Paul Tergat

stovelid wrote: »

Basically what I said.

Although my feelings are known on the matter, I didn't intend to make the specific "real/actual "point here in anything other than geographical distinction (although I would do so if it was the topic) so I don't want things to go off-track on the back of that.

its not basically what you said and im pretty sure you knew what you were implying.


i just deleted a big post i made to also not go any further (if we did at all) OT and this will be my last post on this.

if you didnt mean it then im being wayy too cynical and i will apologise but as you say yourself you seem to be one of the more vocal on local support is real support etc stuff so thats why i came to the conlcusion I did.

NabyLadistheman

Merseyside Derby everytime, nothing compares to beating your local rivals.

It's obvious why. Half your mates are United & you've put up with everything they threw at you through school etc. It was hard to take - supporting Liverpool when every game against United was a loss. Then out of no-where we became stronger, started beating em. All United fan's don't like this because they weren't used to it. Now all they want is our demise & we want to beat them because it anger's you. We've tasted a degree of success & want it all - we're close but things have happened & it could be back to the 90's. We can't have that - the recovery starts Sunday.

That's why the United game is bigger than Everton - to me anyway

Boggles

torresistheman wrote: »

It was hard to take - supporting Liverpool when every game against United was a loss. Then out of no-where we became stronger, started beating em.

When did this happen?

NabyLadistheman

Merseyside Derby everytime, nothing compares to beating your local rivals.

Boggles wrote: »

When did this happen?

Circa Gerard Houiller - I think there were a good few games we went where ye couldn't beat us. Or maybe this is all fantasy - christ

Gavin "shels"

I'd say most actual Liverpool fans would consider the Merseyside derby much bigger. Look at the biggest derbies in the world, the teams all play in the same city;
Boca Juniors vs River Plate
Aris vs PAOK
Crvena Zvezda vs Partizan
CSKA Moscow vs Spartak Moscow
CSKA Sofia vs Levski Sofia
Dinamo Bucharest vs Steaua Bucharest
AIK vs Djurgården
Brøndby vs Copenhagen
Inter vs AC Milan
Lazio vs Roma

.... see the trend?

Gavin "shels"

Talking to a scouser there, a Liverpool fan born and bred hasn't miss one match this season home, away and abroad, member of Spion Kop Ultras (the lads who organise all the tifo flags, etc... on the Kop) and he said that Everton is by far the bigger match, he says the rivalries are different but that Everton is the outright winner. He also said that that would be the general opinion of the scouser Liverpool fans. There's the conclusion so.

Helix

Gavin shels wrote: »

I'd say most actual Liverpool fans would consider the Merseyside derby much bigger. Look at the biggest derbies in the world, the teams all play in the same city;

definition?

Gavin "shels"

Helix wrote: »

definition?

IMO actual Liverpool fans are what I've just said in my last post about a lad I was talking to "a scouser..., a Liverpool fan born and bred hasn't miss one match this season home, away and abroad..."

el dude

Probably a question for Liverpudlians to answer tbh. For "us" over here it's the United one obviously.

therecklessone

Gavin shels wrote: »

I'd say most actual Liverpool fans would consider the Merseyside derby much bigger. Look at the biggest derbies in the world, the teams all play in the same city;
Boca Juniors vs River Plate
Aris vs PAOK
Crvena Zvezda vs Partizan
CSKA Moscow vs Spartak Moscow
CSKA Sofia vs Levski Sofia
Dinamo Bucharest vs Steaua Bucharest
AIK vs Djurgården
Brøndby vs Copenhagen
Inter vs AC Milan
Lazio vs Roma

.... see the trend?

Meh...

Barca vs Real
Juventus vs Inter
Ajax vs Feyenoord
PSG vs Marseilles
Schalke vs Dortmund

See the trend?

Helix

Gavin shels wrote: »

IMO actual Liverpool fans are what I've just said in my last post about a lad I was talking to "a scouser..., a Liverpool fan born and bred hasn't miss one match this season home, away and abroad..."

what about a scouser who moved to the south coast and cant get to every game? still an actual fan?

the scouser who moves to ireland and gets 10-15 games a season?

the son of the scouser who has been born an reared to follow liverpool and goes to those 10-15 games too?

the paddy whos whole family has always supported liverpool who has a season ticket and goes to every home game and as many away games as he can?

the paddy with no historical tie who goes to every match - home away and europe?