Berbatov Vs. Shevchenko

LanceStorm

I know this is early with not half the season gone, but having a debate in work over whether Berbs will be sold on at the end of the season and if so will he have been a worse signing than most peoples choice for worst value signing Shevchenko with both about the 30mil mark!!

Berbatov - 56 apps - 17goals
Shevchenko - 75apps - 22goals

The race is on, can Berba score 5 goals in all comps by the end of the season!!

Oliver1985

LanceStorm wrote: »

I know this is early with not half the season gone, but having a debate in work over whether Berbs will be sold on at the end of the season and if so will he have been a worse signing than most peoples choice for worst value signing Shevchenko with both about the 30mil mark!!

Berbatov - 56 apps - 17goals
Shevchenko - 75apps - 22goals

The race is on, can Berba score 5 goals in all comps by the end of the season!!

I think Berba will have a better season this year!! He will get the 5 before christmas

Dimitri

I thing to be fair to berbs he adds more to the team without getting goals than schev did however he'd want to start scoring consistently to ever have a hope of justifying that fee.

eddiehead

LanceStorm wrote: »

Berbatov - 56 apps - 17goals
Shevchenko - 75apps - 22goals

The race is on, can Berba score 5 goals in all comps by the end of the season in his next 19 appearances

FYP

Seriously though, Berbatov is certainly more of a success than Sheva IMO

Oliver1985

He plays much better for his country then United!!

gosplan

Berbatov, while seeming a pretty poor purchase so far, at least adds something from time to time, Sheva never really did.

Plus with wages and sell on fee. I'd say Shevchenko will end up costing like twice whatever Berbatov cost.

rossie1977

apples and oranges, shevchenko was bought as an out and out goalscorer, he was the most feared striker in world football when chelsea signed him and they expected 20+ goals a season in the league but that never happened

berbatov was signed i suspect to play the eric cantona role, he has shown in flashes his potential and talent (alot like ryan babel) but he is so lazy its unreal (alot like ryan babel )

Headshot

im not sure about other utd fans but im really getting bored of berba, he has been only good this season but noting special I think

shows only glimpses of what he can do, which isnt good enough for utd. Im going to be very harsh here but Id love to see him sold in January.

anonymous_joe

Headshot wrote: »

im not sure about other utd fans but im really getting bored of berba, he has been only good this season but noting special I think

shows only glimpses of what he can do, which isnt good enough for utd. Im going to be very harsh here but Id love to see him sold in January.

I wonder would he be better if the team was built around him as it was Ronaldo last season.

And in fairness if you add in the amount of goals he's set up he begins to look fairly useful.

Headshot

anonymous_joe wrote: »

I wonder would he be better if the team was built around him as it was Ronaldo last season.

And in fairness if you add in the amount of goals he's set up he begins to look fairly useful.

I said in another forum if utd didnt have Rooney, berba would be immense for utd that's what i think.

dont get me wrong I think his assists are superb but to me that's Rooney's job

Rooney with someone like anelka would be a great partnership

ccosgrave

I really like Berbatov, I think he adds an awful lot in terms of creative play and picking out attacking options. To me, his goalscoring isn't what he's all about, and I doubt Fergusson sees him solely that way either. He's been great in a few games recently, but it just doesn't work for him sometimes like all players such as against Liverpool yesterday. I'm prepared to give him another season or two to show to everyone what he can do.

anonymous_joe

Aye. I think we may have signed the wrong player.

He's great, but I wonder if we need him. I think he's too subtle for us.

We need someone with pace and power. Kind of wish we'd looked at Lisandro Lopez this summer, or someone of that ilk.

killwill

Headshot wrote: »

I said in another forum if utd didnt have Rooney, berba would be immense for utd that's what i think.

dont get me wrong I think his assists are superb but to me that's Rooney's job

Rooney with someone like anelka would be a great partnership

I really like both Rooney and Berbatov as individual players but as a partnership they are pretty average. I miss the days of Yorke and Cole with Teddy and Solskjaer on the bench. If Obertan can step up though, from what I have seen from him, which is very limited, I believe with him playing behind Rooney and Berbs things could get very promising. Rooney won't have to drop as deep and he can be more focused with staying within 25-30 yards of the opposing goal where he is a danger.

ShooterSF

LanceStorm wrote: »

I know this is early with not half the season gone, but having a debate in work over whether Berbs will be sold on at the end of the season and if so will he have been a worse signing than most peoples choice for worst value signing Shevchenko with both about the 30mil mark!!

Berbatov - 56 apps - 17goals
Shevchenko - 75apps - 22goals

The race is on, can Berba score 5 goals in all comps by the end of the season!!

I'd pray Fergie doesn't have some kind of aneurysm in the summer and sells him. Yesterday the guy was piss poor but so far this season I think he has been fantastic at what he adds to the team.
The comparison to subchenko is a bit far fetched though.

Headshot

killwill wrote: »

I really like both Rooney and Berbatov as individual players but as a partnership they are pretty average. I miss the days of Yorke and Cole with Teddy and Solskjaer on the bench. If Obertan can step up though, from what I have seen from him, which is very limited, I believe with him playing behind Rooney and Berbs things could get very promising. Rooney won't have to drop as deep and he can be more focused with staying within 25-30 yards of the opposing goal where he is a danger.

nope the partnership doesnt work imo

you say Rooney wont have to drop deep but that's Rooney's game

ShooterSF wrote: »

I'd pray Fergie doesn't have some kind of aneurysm in the summer and sells him. Yesterday the guy was piss poor but so far this season I think he has been fantastic at what he adds to the team.
The comparison to subchenko is a bit far fetched though.

hey shooter

idk maybe i missed somthing but how has he been fantastic ?

The Rooster

anonymous_joe wrote: »

Aye. I think we may have signed the wrong player.

I think if Berbatov and Robbie Keane had went opposite directions when they left Spurs they both would have done better and suited United/Liverpool better.

I thought the same re Alan Smith and Harry Kewell a few years back.

SlickRic

the jury is still out on Berba, obviously.

and it deserves discussion.

but to compare his time with Utd to Sheva's time with Chelsea is very insulting altogether.

i know you've only put up the goalscoring stats, fair enough, but still. he deserves a bit more respect than that comparison.

mayordenis

The Rooster wrote: »

I think if Berbatov and Robbie Keane had went opposite directions when they left Spurs they both would have done better and suited United/Liverpool better.

I thought the same re Alan Smith and Harry Kewell a few years back.

I think that's totally correct actually, on the first point.

However Harry Kewell was just a vastly superior footballer who just wasn't fit at liverpool, if he had of been he would of been of Gerrard/Torres importance to us. Did alot better that people give him credit for too.

LanceStorm

The Rooster wrote: »

I think if Berbatov and Robbie Keane had went opposite directions when they left Spurs they both would have done better and suited United/Liverpool better.

great thought, id love to see how things would work out if that happened!!

i think berb would suit someone like torres to set up for runs and rooney/keane would suit each other with rooney doing the dog work and robbie being a good in the box finisher!!

RandolphEsq

anonymous_joe wrote: »

Aye. I think we may have signed the wrong player.

He's great, but I wonder if we need him. I think he's too subtle for us.

We need someone with pace and power. Kind of wish we'd looked at Lisandro Lopez this summer, or someone of that ilk.

What if Owen was to start with either Berba or Rooney? Build up a strike partnership. If not then I think Carlton Cole would be a perfect striker for Utd

anonymous_joe

The Rooster wrote: »

I think if Berbatov and Robbie Keane had went opposite directions when they left Spurs they both would have done better and suited United/Liverpool better.

I thought the same re Alan Smith and Harry Kewell a few years back.

Potentially you're right there.

RandolphEsq wrote: »

What if Owen was to start with either Berba or Rooney? Build up a strike partnership. If not then I think Carlton Cole would be a perfect striker for Utd

I just don't think that does enough for the team though. I'd rather have one striker up front and three midfielders, with one or two of them coming up to support attacks.

Bandit12

He would have been a good signing at 7-8 million for the type of player he is but 30m+ = flop. As big a flop as Shevchenko i'm not sure but a flop none the same. His attitude does'nt help him either.

Boggles

Without him United wouldn't have won the league last year, he will be a big part of winning the league again this year.

Most naturally gifted footballer in the division.

Laughable to suggest he should be sold on in Janurary or that he is already a flop, he has been at the club all of 13 months.

Thank god United are not foolish and they actually give signings a chance.

Mr Alan

Boggles wrote: »

Without him United wouldn't have won the league last year, he will be a big part of winning the league again this year.

its your modesty & lack of arrogance that impresses me most! :rolleyes:

Boggles

Mr Alan wrote: »

its your modesty & lack of arrogance that impresses me most! :rolleyes:

So who is going to win it Al?

Mr Alan

Chelseas imo.

Boggles

Mr Alan wrote: »

Chelseas imo.

So you think Chelsea, I think United. Why is my opinion arrogant?

Paul Tergat

Bandit12 wrote: »

He would have been a good signing at 7-8 million for the type of player he is but 30m+ = flop. As big a flop as Shevchenko i'm not sure but a flop none the same. His attitude does'nt help him either.

7-8 million? are you being serious?

Mr Alan

Boggles wrote: »

So you think Chelsea, I think United. Why is my opinion arrogant?

because you are a Utd fan & you didnt say i think Utd will win the league this year, you said it as if it had already been decided & no one can come close to Utd.

p_larkin99 wrote: »

7-8 million? are you being serious?

got a chuckle out of that myself. 30+ was excessive, but 7 or 8 is hilarious.

Paul Tergat

Mr Alan wrote: »

got a chuckle out of that myself. 30+ was excessive, but 7 or 8 is hilarious.

Somwehere around the 20m mark would have probably been a little more accurate but sadly as its UTD we generally have to overpay for players.

Mr Alan

yep, i'g agree. at the time said Keane & Berba were both over priced. keane 12-16, berba 18-22. imo.

Boggles

Mr Alan wrote: »

because you are a Utd fan & you didnt say i think Utd will win the league this year, you said it as if it had already been decided & no one can come close to Utd.

Me been a fan is irrelevant. You assuming what I said is quite sad. But to appease you.

I think in my humble opinion United will win the premeir league this season with at least 2 games to spare.

RasTa

I wish I had your optimism Boggles, can't see us winning it a 4th year in a row and it's not a knee-jerk reaction from the weekend. Obv hope I'm wrong but I fancy Arsenal this season.

SlickRic

RasTa wrote: »

Obv hope I'm wrong but I fancy Arsenal this season.

all about Chelsea for me unfortunately.

especially with Joe Cole back. a fit joey is going to improve them no end in that formation. the understanding between him and lamps, even just going by Saturday against Blackburn, is awesome.

eZe^

I remember people trying to argue that Berbatov was as good as, if not better, than Ibrahimovic (Zlatan is only a youtube footballer apparently). Oh lolz... Zlatan is better in EVERY single department. Berbatov lets his ego hamper his game by blaming other players, whereas the best players will use their egos to drive them on and become better (Cristiano is the perfect example of this).

Berbs is nowhere near the flop that Shevchenko was though, Shev wasn't wanted by Jose at Chelsea, he was an expensive luxury item that Abramovich wanted, Berbatov was a tactical signing by Fergie to add a new dimension to United's attack, and imo he hasnt been effective enough to warrant his big price tag.