The Official SE XPERIA X10 Thread

youcancallmeal

spottyelephant wrote: »

Apparantly there's no multitouch on it. And there never will be because it's a hardware issue. Whether or not you like "pinch to zoom" on the web browser, maps, or gallery is up to you as to whether you can live without. But where the lack of multitouch really becomes noticeable is in typing. Keyboards have an entirely different algorithym to work out your key strokes on a single touch keyboard compared to a multi-touch one. Also, if you're a gamer it's v bad news.

The x10 is awesome otherwise, but if you think multi-touch is important for you, then go for the desire.

Yeah your probably right, I was playing around with a friend's HTC HD2 and I was even finding it hard to type out a text message on that! He reckons its something you have to get used when your coming from using a tactile button phone all your life

billbond4

cormie wrote: »

Tell me about it, I've a brand new iPhone sitting in its box waiting for me to decide whether I keep it, or sell it to get money to buy Nexus One/N900/Xperia and I still don't know.

The one thing about the iphone is they are so popular that the likelihood of an app being available to do what I want it to do is higher and that if I ever have a problem or query, chances are it's been discussed a million times already and just have to type it quickly into google and get the solution in a minute or so. Take yesterday for example I wanted to know if my brother could input Lat/Long coordinates into his iPhone to find somewhere, I googled iphone coordinates and the first result was the answer, google xperia coordinates and it doesn't seem to have been discussed anywhere.

Also, with the popularity of the iPhone, it's more likely to last longer in terms of support and things for it whereas the other phone companies may always be trying to keep up/beat the iphone and releasing newer models while the old ones take less priority with development bugs etc.

What if you googled Android coordinates ? that would probably show you the answer

bionic.laura

Got this phone last weekend and I'm having great fun playing around with it. It's my first smart phone and I'm loving android. My only complaint about it so far was that the keypad is a bit sticky to use. Anyway I found a blog with good instructions on how to change the keyboard to the htc one. Worked perfectly and the htc keyboard is more responsive and faster. Might be handy for any of you with the X10.

Atomic Pineapple

spottyelephant wrote: »

Apparantly there's no multitouch on it. And there never will be because it's a hardware issue. Whether or not you like "pinch to zoom" on the web browser, maps, or gallery is up to you as to whether you can live without. But where the lack of multitouch really becomes noticeable is in typing. Keyboards have an entirely different algorithym to work out your key strokes on a single touch keyboard compared to a multi-touch one. Also, if you're a gamer it's v bad news.

The x10 is awesome otherwise, but if you think multi-touch is important for you, then go for the desire.

No way? I was 99% sure i'd go for the x10 but not if it has no multi touch!

iwo

I talked with nice girl in dundrum today. She said that xperia will arrive in minimum two weeks time. I asked about price and they had a full price list! For my 150 plan I would have to pay about 420euro! And this is for 12months contract. In this case I am getting HTC desire...

Also, why multi touch is so important?

boosh_fan

got an X10 yesterday and somehow in the changeover from Meteor to O2 my contacts have got "stuck" on the new o2 SIM card and the guys in the shop can't find the setting to move them onto the phone. Any ideas as I'm kinda lost without my numbers.

Lemming

draffodx wrote: »

No way? I was 99% sure i'd go for the x10 but not if it has no multi touch!

The X10 is my first foray into the realm of the smart-phone - my old phone being a SE k800i - and I read reviews upon review to decide on what to get and whether or not the X10 was any good or whether I should wait for the HTC Desire. Whilst the lack of multi-touch made me baulk initially, upon thinking about it and weighing up against other more important factors (imo), it really didn't stack up. I can summarise my final thoughts on multi-touch at this point in time as;

"If you are moving from a tactile phone, then you wont miss multi-touch because you've simply never had it ..."


So you need to ask yourself if you want multi-touch for the sake of having another obscure and trivial* feature to show off with, or because you know you are going to need it for something specific (other than games).

Are there really that many apps that genuinely use multi-touch available for android phones? Games don't count because if you're choosing a phone because of a game then you really need to rethink your decision making process.

On the X10 itself, I'm chuffed with mine and it's a lovely phone. Granted, battery life isn't as good as with my k800i and it will occasionally lag (or else I'm just not used to the touch screen yet, I can't tell which) but not too seriously. But otherwise I'm pleased I went with it

Incidentally, seeing the difference between my Vodafone UK account (X10) and what I was being offered and paying on my Vodafone IRL account (k800i), it's an eye-opener in showing the utter shafting Irish consumers are being given.

* I don't consider multi-touch "trivial", more something that has a purpose. If it isn't being used by you, then it's a trivial and pointless feature.

clacks

boosh_fan wrote: »

got an X10 yesterday and somehow in the changeover from Meteor to O2 my contacts have got "stuck" on the new o2 SIM card and the guys in the shop can't find the setting to move them onto the phone. Any ideas as I'm kinda lost without my numbers.

(From a Nexus One) Open contacts, press menu. There should be an option to import/export contacts. Hope it works.

boosh_fan

clacks wrote: »

(From a Nexus One) Open contacts, press menu. There should be an option to import/export contacts. Hope it works.

It worked - Thanks! So simple in the end

partyatmygaff

For a touch only device multi touch is very very important. For regular phone use it's quite alright but for many apps multi touch is a necessity. Besides that, the majority of android phones have multi touch meaning the majority of apps will attempt to take advantage of multi touch meaning you're losing out on a whole lot of apps by taking a non-multitouch phone.

iwo

partyatmygaff wrote: »

For a touch only device multi touch is very very important. For regular phone use it's quite alright but for many apps multi touch is a necessity. Besides that, the majority of android phones have multi touch meaning the majority of apps will attempt to take advantage of multi touch meaning you're losing out on a whole lot of apps by taking a non-multitouch phone.

I was so happy with introduction of this phone and couldnt wait to get it. But now, with info about lack of multitouch - NO WAY!

bionic.laura

I haven't noticed the lack of multitouch yet. I'd agree with Lemming on it so far anyway. I picked this phone as it suits what I want it to do. I considered the Legend but Layar doesn't work with the Legend so that counted it out, I was also put off by the meteor 3g problems. The htc Desire is probably the only other phone I'd seriously consider and I suppose I'll see over the next while whether it was a good choice to go for the xperia.

I thought I wouldn't use the timescape thingy but I've found it's actually really useful. If you use twitter and facebook a lot like I do then it's brilliant.

youcancallmeal

Word on the street is that the Xperia x10 actually DOES have multitouch! To be added as part of an update to Android 2.1 sometime around August/September

http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/16/sony-ericsson-x10-can-do-multitouch-after-all-will-get-android/

Atomic Pineapple

youcancallme>al wrote: »

Word on the street is that the Xperia x10 actually DOES have multitouch! To be added as part of an update to Android 2.1 sometime around August/September

http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/16/sony-ericsson-x10-can-do-multitouch-after-all-will-get-android/

Makes more sense, but no 2.1 until September?? :eek:

What is it shipped with? 1.6 or 2.0.1?

youcancallmeal

Comes with 1.6 as far as I know. Havent even got one myself but I'm contemplating it.

iwo

Hi All, is it possible to activate multi touch? Does it not depend on hardware - screen ?

partyatmygaff

iwo wrote: »

Hi All, is it possible to activate multi touch? Does it not depend on hardware - screen ?

It depends on the hardware and then the software for it to work. The screen that the Xperia X10 is made with simply doesn't support multi touch so no amount of software modification can change that.

youcancallmeal

partyatmygaff wrote: »

It depends on the hardware and then the software for it to work. The screen that the Xperia X10 is made with simply doesn't support multi touch so no amount of software modification can change that.

Did you not see my post 4 replies up, the x10 is capable of multitouch.
Another link: http://www.simbasics.co.uk/sony-ericsson-xperia-x10-to-get-multi-touch-and-android-2-1/6304

partyatmygaff

youcancallme>al wrote: »

Did you not see my post 4 replies up, the x10 is capable of multitouch.
Another link: http://www.simbasics.co.uk/sony-ericsson-xperia-x10-to-get-multi-touch-and-android-2-1/6304

I would rather believe Sony Ericsson's product manager than a website but I guess time will tell.

And :eek: at them planning to release 2.1 in September. Are they mad? 2.1 was released back in January and FroYo is to be released next month and with FroYo comes proper flash support and apparently there will be DivX support too. HTC are more than likely going to have the Sense version ready fairly soon after release as they are going to be releasing the HTC Evo in the states with FroYo.

justsomebloke

according to bargain alerts thread you can get this phone sim free for €372.50 delivered!!!!!

http://www.maxroam.com/Shop/Product/Detail.aspx?ProductId=774

Raekwon

I'm the proud new owner of an Xperia X10 and I have to say that it's a very slick device. The camera is very good (apart from it not having a proper flash) and Timescape is really handy. The only drawback for me is the multi-touch issue, it would be dead handy for using the browser, checking maps etc instead of the double tap zoom and pan, hopefully the 2.1 will sort out that (fingers crossed anyway).

JAMM222

I have this phone for a few days now and i am well impressed. although multitouch would be nice i personally have no need for it. The camera is very good. The only drawback is the battery but if you turn off gps wifi and bluetooth when you are not using them and set timescape to check every hour instead of every 15 mins this should save a bit of power!

youcancallmeal

JAMM222 wrote: »

I have this phone for a few days now and i am well impressed. although multitouch would be nice i personally have no need for it. The camera is very good. The only drawback is the battery but if you turn off gps wifi and bluetooth when you are not using them and set timescape to check every hour instead of every 15 mins this should save a bit of power!

Did you get yours from MaxRoam in the end? I ordered and paid for one but they emailed me last Friday to say they had none left and refunded my credit card. They didnt know when they would be getting them back in

JAMM222

i was going to but then i decided to get one from adverts. it was only a week old and in perfect nik u should try there. i got it for €350:D

alanc2003

i got an xperia a couple of weeks ago. the battery is not great but im getting most of the day out of it now. has anyone else noticed that when it fully charges it goes back to using the battery again, even though its plugged in? maybe i got a faulty one, but its seems like a software issue to me

youcancallmeal

alanc2003 wrote: »

i got an xperia a couple of weeks ago. the battery is not great but im getting most of the day out of it now. has anyone else noticed that when it fully charges it goes back to using the battery again, even though its plugged in? maybe i got a faulty one, but its seems like a software issue to me

I read somewhere that thats the norm, it will charge to 100% then stop and start charging again when it drops to 95%. Does mean if you have it left charging all night beside your bed for an alarm that it will light up every now and then as it starts charging again?

alanc2003

youcancallme>al wrote: »

I read somewhere that thats the norm, it will charge to 100% then stop and start charging again when it drops to 95%. Does mean if you have it left charging all night beside your bed for an alarm that it will light up every now and then as it starts charging again?

thanks for the info. how they thought that was a good idea ill never know, better get on to sony and complain, they might change it for the next update!

mooneyd

alanc2003 wrote: »

i got an xperia a couple of weeks ago. the battery is not great but im getting most of the day out of it now. has anyone else noticed that when it fully charges it goes back to using the battery again, even though its plugged in? maybe i got a faulty one, but its seems like a software issue to me

Hi alan,
Im using my X10 on the 3 network.

Quick question for you do you use the internet much on the phone?
If not or during quiet times.
Turn off the 3g function on your handset and the battery is so much better,

I had my phone 100% charged @ 11:30 pm wok up at 8am and had 64% battery life remaining.

But turned off the 3g and left it 2G and went from 100% - 94% over the same time frame

alanc2003

mooneyd wrote: »

Hi alan,
Im using my X10 on the 3 network.

Quick question for you do you use the internet much on the phone?
If not or during quiet times.
Turn off the 3g function on your handset and the battery is so much better,

I had my phone 100% charged @ 11:30 pm wok up at 8am and had 64% battery life remaining.

But turned off the 3g and left it 2G and went from 100% - 94% over the same time frame

I downloaded an app that turns off 3g when the phone is idle. I get most of the day out of it now. Its the way it uses the battery when its plugged in that really bugs me!

mooneyd

Where possable try use your Wifi it seems to be easier on the battery than the 3G connection

mooneyd

youcancallme>al wrote: »

Word on the street is that the Xperia x10 actually DOES have multitouch! To be added as part of an update to Android 2.1 sometime around August/September

http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/16/sony-ericsson-x10-can-do-multitouch-after-all-will-get-android/

The SE X10 upgrade from sony is due out sin september. Im looking into it as it may be that we dont actually get 2.1 it could be 2.0 or 2.2 depending.
Iv been onto my Sony rep who hopes to be back to me by wednesday.

The Hardware is said not to handle Multitouch. BUT Other's say it will. Android 1.6 doesnt support but 2.0 and above does so heres to hoping. It was never something I wanted or needed in a phone but I think I would like it in the X10

mooneyd

Hows everyone finding their phone's so far?

Raekwon

Details of the UXP update coming out later this year: here

- Upgrade to Android OS version 2.1
- HD video recording as per the same execution as Sony Ericsson Vivaz™
- Wireless home connectivity via DLNA
- Improvements to signature applications Timescape™ and Mediascape to make them even smarter and richer

Hopefully by September SE will skip 2.1 and go straight to 2.2 to keep up with the HTC devices.

mooneyd

Fingers crossed

iwo

No multitouch for X10...and so...I am getting desire

Malcolm says:
March 30, 2010 at 10:47 am
Sumit has confirmed the non-multitouch situation here:
http://blogs.sonyericsson.com/products/2010/03/26/xperia-x10-launch-consumer-research-program-started/comment-page-9/#comments
Sumit Malhotra says:
March 29, 2010 at 11:06 pm
Back in November, I posted that X10 will not support multi touch functionality at launch, but will be considered for the future. I can appreciate that even though there wasn´t a commitment, such wording both creates expectations (small or big) on future support and implies restrictions on software side.
That is the information I had in hand at that point of time. I am well aware that you rate multi touch functionality very high and therefore I regret to inform you that X10 screen hardware does not register simultaneous entries. Meaning even though we will upgrade the underlying operating system in relation to upgrading our user experience layer, X10 will not support multi touch functionality. We believe that it is important for you who follow this blog to be clear on that, which is the reason why I want to confirm Rikard’s comment.
We are working on alternative solutions for certain use cases, like zooming. I will share more details about that initiative once confirmed.
Due to vendor understanding and agreements, we don´t discuss in detail regarding hardware specifications. Having said that, X10 is upgradable and as earlier described there will be significant value offered through upgrades. X10 is about to reach stores and early consumer feedback is very positive, also highlighting room for improvement which we will share in due time.
Regards,

mooneyd

multi touch not a huge issue for me to be honest.
Finally found a LED flashlight app so im happy.

Raekwon

For some strange reason I can sometimes use multi-touch on Google Maps on on Opera Mini

There is still a slight chance that it will be in the 2.1/2.2 upgrade........I'm not discounting it until it is officially announced by Sony Ericsson that the device cannot and never will be capable of multi-touch. Then again, if they are able to upgrade the WVGA video recording to HD video recording then they might a have a few more tricks up there sleeves.

mooneyd

You never know

iwo

Raekwon wrote: »

For some strange reason I can sometimes use multi-touch on Google Maps on on Opera Mini

There is still a slight chance that it will be in the 2.1/2.2 upgrade........I'm not discounting it until it is officially announced by Sony Ericsson that the device cannot and never will be capable of multi-touch. Then again, if they are able to upgrade the WVGA video recording to HD video recording then they might a have a few more tricks up there sleeves.

I just quoted this two posts earlier. This is official SE massage. This is hardware issue not OS.

Raekwon

iwo wrote: »

I just quoted this two posts earlier. This is official SE massage. This is hardware issue not OS.

Ah so you did, I must of missed that........actually I read the word 'Desire' and stopped reading

youcancallmeal

I eventually just got the HTC Desire because I got sicking of waiting for some good deals to turn up for the x10. I still think the x10 looks nicer than the Desire but with Android 2.2 reportedly being massively faster than 2.1 I think I'm better off having a device that will officially get that update. x10 will probably get it too but you may have to wait till next year or possibly just root your phone and get a custom rom.

Also for anyone thinking of not getting the x10 because of lack of multitouch I can honestly say I could absolutely live without it. I hardly use it on my desire, for me the only time I sort of use it is zooming in and out of webpages and even then I actually just prefer double tapping because you only have to use one finger.

rushnaldo

Would those screen protective covers be advisable? Also is there any way of getting a decent flash for the camera?

mooneyd

I think the LED flash is pretty good or do you mean flishlight?
The screen is scratch resistant but I still use a screen protector.
I change them every 2-3 weeks

Raekwon

The LED 'flash' is weak IMO and a Xenon Flash like they have on SE Cybershot camera phones would have been much better.

As for screen protection covers I won't bother, but I would recommend getting a phone cover or even a silicon sleeve because the phone is quite chunky and getting used to handling if takes a while. I have dropped mine on concrete already and scratched the whole side of it (really pissed of with that btw :mad:) so something like this is advisable.

Raekwon

Raekwon

Has anyone downloaded Creatouch on their Xperia X10 yet?

Apparently you have to go into Mediascape, click the music tab, click more, then select Play Now........but I'm not seeing the Play Now option for some reason.

It should look like this.

Any suggestions?

cramp

Nice info hear on this nice new phone...... i WAS definitely getting one , but now iam concerned about battery life....

Is a day the best that u can get out of this phone???

Iam coming from a nokia n97.... and i can get up to 5 days without recharging
Are you guys recharging the x10 daily????

cramp

Raekwon

cramp wrote: »

Nice info hear on this nice new phone...... i WAS definitely getting one , but now iam concerned about battery life....

Is a day the best that u can get out of this phone???

Iam coming from a nokia n97.... and i can get up to 5 days without recharging
Are you guys recharging the x10 daily????

cramp

Battery life is very hit and miss I have to say, the most I've got out of it has been 3 days straight with light use (short calls, a few texts, etc) but sometimes I plug it in over night and it's on it's last legs by the early evening.

I use Advanced Task Killer to end all of the programs that I'm finished using........but sometimes they pop up just to drain my battery for some unexplainable reason. Then again, from what I hear most smart devices aren't very forgiving with battery life anyway, the iPhone being the main offender AFAIK.

padair

cramp wrote: »

Nice info hear on this nice new phone...... i WAS definitely getting one , but now iam concerned about battery life....

Is a day the best that u can get out of this phone???

Iam coming from a nokia n97.... and i can get up to 5 days without recharging
Are you guys recharging the x10 daily????

cramp

Five days without recharging...?
Please tell me you secrets. Do you use is for music or anything like that..?

partyatmygaff

padair wrote: »

Five days without recharging...?
Please tell me you secrets. Do you use is for music or anything like that..?

He must have had it on standby. I had an N97 Mini and it lasted at most one and a half days with light use.