Restaurant 'wars' or just plain greed?

Cadiz

muffinman wrote: »

pizza express

Aah doh, of course. Ta. Will mooch again, properly

Damn your sig Muffinman, now I'm hungry for lunch. A lunch of muffins. Sigh!

Sconsey

Well I walked past DaRobertas yesterday evening at around 7:30, they only had one of the two places open but it was packed, couldn't see an empty table in the place and there were people queuing up inside the door (maybe getting take away). This was on a wet Tuesday night in October...kind of suggests there is room/demand in Salthill for another Italian restaurant, I'd love a bit of choice, the pizzas from DaRobertas are fairly small, you only get four slices for (what they call) large.

Anyway, as someone mentioned earlier, Biancoini's in Westside are much nicer if you're looking for take away.

irisheddie85

I think More good quality restaurant and pubs is probably what salthill needs. Lohans, the Oslo, De Robertos and the galleon are all very nice places.
A few more places of similar standard would make salthill a nice place to go for a meal and a pint. At least once a week me and my girlfriend walk Quay street to pick where to have a meal.
If there was more choice in salthill would be more than happy to go down there instead.
At the minute you are almost embarrassed to bring people to salthill with its 'casinos' and take aways

Fey!

Interesting that the new place can't do takeaway; Da Robertas has always done take away food.

I haven't been in their new restauraunt, but stopped going to the old one because there was so little space between tables. Could never complain about the food, though (hence the takeaways).

Wasn't there a restauraunt and bar in the Jameson? Why was it suddenly such a big issue?

I wonder if the inspector is any relation to a Salthill chipper, or is the surname just a happy coincidence?

civis_liberalis

Greedy, greedy ****ers. :mad:

Job losses? Spare me. The restaurants in the Salthill will always support the number of jobs the amount of trade can support.

It's complete ****ing bull**** that "jobs will be lost".

If the new place opens, it will only stay open if it is able to compete. If it is unable to compete, it won't be open very long. That is the nature of business. If they continue to carry on like this, crying about the situation, boycott them. Greedy, greedy ****ers. :mad:

Reminds me of a situation in my home village where a pub continuously objected to someone opening a business that was in competition with them, but not directly. They cited the fact that the new establishment having a wine licence would contribute to there being "too many places selling alcohol in the town already". A bit rich coming from a pub I thought...

After the objecting establishment wore down the guy trying to start a business, successfully having his objection upheld, he then opened a ****ing off-licence no more than 20 feet from the site of the place he objected to.

The correlation between my little story and the OP's.... GREED.

lavaghball

Dam u all. Now i want pizza.

Bianconi it is...

dec25532

Milanos. Pizza Express. Whatever. It just means that the owners of Da Robertas have to be less complacent and deal with the competition by providing a better service. Personally I find Da Robertas much too clastrophobic.

Cadiz

lavaghball wrote: »

Dam u all. Now i want pizza.

Bianconi it is...

Really like their pizzas!

citycentre

civis_liberalis wrote: »

Greedy, greedy ****ers. :mad:

Job losses? Spare me. The restaurants in the Salthill will always support the number of jobs the amount of trade can support.

It's complete ****ing bull**** that "jobs will be lost".

If the new place opens, it will only stay open if it is able to compete. If it is unable to compete, it won't be open very long. That is the nature of business. If they continue to carry on like this, crying about the situation, boycott them. Greedy, greedy ****ers. :mad:

Get a grip, you are being way over the top and completely insulting and abusive towards local businesspeople who were simply using whatever means at their disposal - i.e. a strongly worded planning objection - to try to protect their business. They haven't gone public with any complaints, thay haven't spoken out against the decision of An Bord Pleanala. They are most certainly not "crying about the situation". It's simply the local media making a story out of very little - as usual. I don't agree with the Pieris but I certainly don't blame them for trying.

I do think they are being somewhat short sighted however. Salthill does need more, not less in the way of decent restaurants and bars. With some improvement to the public realm in the town such as traffic calming, even a little bit of pedestrianization the place could actually become a destination and a pleasant place to go and hang out in the way that the Quay Street area is in the city centre. Salthill centre is such a dive at the moment any improvement would be welcome...

civis_liberalis

City centre,

You make a good point.

I agree that I was being over the top and my previous experiences of business people has coloured my opinion of this situation. I stand by the general point I was making though, but I did go too far.

happyoutscan

citycentre wrote: »

Get a grip, you are being way over the top and completely insulting and abusive towards local businesspeople who were simply using whatever means at their disposal - i.e. a strongly worded planning objection - to try to protect their business. They haven't gone public with any complaints, thay haven't spoken out against the decision of An Bord Pleanala. They are most certainly not "crying about the situation". It's simply the local media making a story out of very little - as usual. I don't agree with the Pieris but I certainly don't blame them for trying.

I do think they are being somewhat short sighted however. Salthill does need more, not less in the way of decent restaurants and bars. With some improvement to the public realm in the town such as traffic calming, even a little bit of pedestrianization the place could actually become a destination and a pleasant place to go and hang out in the way that the Quay Street area is in the city centre. Salthill centre is such a dive at the moment any improvement would be welcome...

They did go public with numerous complaints though regarding why the new restaurant shouldn be refused: number of take-a-ways, parking, deliveries, waste disposal, job losses etc? Basically I cannot fathom why they would attempt to prevent another business opening when a)there is a good chance it will end up in the papers, b)they are very very successful in their own right and c)the general knock-on effect when you have a selection of businesses in one area. Perhaps it does make sense though if it is a Milanos, but then doesn't that just put the impetus on themselves to continue their own high standards etc?

I think they may have been more insulting trying to put their own stranglehold on Salthill with their actions, although I have almost always had pleasant experiences eating in both their restaurants.

Arnold Layne

Da Roberta's was execllent when they had the restaurant across from the church and the other one. I think that they went for the money with the opening of the larger one while closing the one where it all began. The last time I was there was around a year ago and I didn't like the service, when compared to the original(s).

I have been in Milanos a few times in Galway, and cannot understand the attraction to it unless they have improved the food, as my last experience their albeit some time back churned up a microwave lasagne.

Looking forward to trying the new Indian though.

dinneenp

(sidetracking from the issue slightly) but here's my opinion on Milanos- excellent food.
They don't have any microwaves on the premises (I know cos that's theie reply if you ask them to heat a baby's bottle).
their service isn't the quickest in the world but their lasange is the nicest I've tasted and their pizza is very tasty asa well. Nice and thin.

Maybe just one person's rubbish is another man's treasure.

They also are good if you have toddlers with you....

topper75

I like Da Roberto's.

As a consumer though, I like the principles of free market capitalism even more.

Cadiz

topper75 wrote: »

As a consumer though, I like the principles of free market capitalism even more.

Erm, yeah. Cos they've worked so well lately. *Hollow laughter*

topper75

Cadiz wrote: »

Erm, yeah. Cos they've worked so well lately. *Hollow laughter*

They haven't really been used lately though, have they? Govt is bailing banks out - turn on the news once you are finished laughing.

Limiting competition only crucifies customers with high prices. Look at industries that are regulated, like pubs, and think of the raping your wallet gets everytime you visit such a premises. The best quality and value restaurants will survive in Salthill. The chancers have to leave. Who should fear that?

Cadiz

topper75 wrote: »

They haven't really been used lately though, have they? Govt is bailing banks out - turn on the news once you are finished laughing.

Limiting competition only crucifies customers with high prices. Look at industries that are regulated, like pubs, and think of the raping your wallet gets everytime you visit such a premises. The best quality and value restaurants will survive in Salthill. The chancers have to leave. Who should fear that?

Listened to the interview with Brendan Keenan on Morning Ireland. It didn't make me laugh, but your fanciful attachment to a failed system does.

I don't advocate limiting competition. But I don't advocate free market principles either, because the free market doesn't have principles. And look how that's panning out.

The government bailed out the banks over a year ago, by the way - maybe you need to turn on the news yourself for an update.

topper75

Cadiz wrote: »

Listened to the interview with Brendan Keenan on Morning Ireland. It didn't make me laugh, but your fanciful attachment to a failed system does.

I don't advocate limiting competition. But I don't advocate free market principles either, because the free market doesn't have principles. And look how that's panning out.

The government bailed out the banks over a year ago, by the way - maybe you need to turn on the news yourself for an update.

Ah, this is a whole other off-topic debate and the chance of changing each other's minds is miniscule. Can we agree that Da Roberto ought to accept free entry into the Salthill restaurant market?

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