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Tweedy Group - The Aftermath
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I find the servile attitude of some of the posters here a little odd - Bob Tweedy is a businessman after all, not some kind of of local hero or saint
This isn't any kind of insult, just an observation. The Tweedy group was profit-driven like any other business, and like any other business the owners and their appointed management have to take responsibility for failure. Let's not forget that these people were in charge and the job losses are on their heads.
The recession is a major factor, of course, but why should that excuse the failure of debt heavy businesses? Business leaders jumped head-first into the cheap credit bonanza (with all the short-term benefits that brings) and this has dumped us all into recession - ask the Waterford Crystal workers about that one.
I think that this oft-repeated notion that Mr. Tweedy should be congratulated for creating jobs is also unsupportable. The population of Waterford can profitably sustain a certain number of pubs and clubs (and their staff), and would have done so regardless of who owned which establishment.
I'm basically suggesting that people treat local business with a greater degree of cynicism, and a little less blind respect. Business-people don't work with the good of our city or society in mind - their role is to make profits for themselves, their owners or their shareholders.
One question I would ask is if any of the Tweedy Group staff were given prior warning of trouble in the group? I ask because it can take weeks or even months to get a hearing in the High Court, and it's highly likely that the Group was losing money for a considerable time. Did the staff get any kind of warning from management, or did they hear about it with the rest of us?0 -
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great now there'll be no place to go at night with over priced drink
The last time I checked Harveys charged the same if not more. Ditto Revolution.he never renovated anything
The fact that planning permission was denied may have been a contributing factor.Having Texas Hold'em, Darts, Table Quizzes in Masons was just pure laziness. .
Yeah, very lazy on their part by coming up with new ideas to try and attract a crowd. 0 -
Make sure its a tweedy bar!!
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Actually I've been in Twister Vicks most of the day...Cheap pints, great music, friendly barstaff - can't go wrong.abouttobebanned wrote: »Where ya going...may join ya for one...
Sorry lads was literally out the door when I posted. Good night was had by all (i.e. me and Willie).so ur trying to say they havent raised the prices in over a year????????
Yes. Prices in Muldoons, Rubys & Masons (late prices) are at the same level they were at this time last year with the exception of Bulmers; which is 40c cheaper per pint bottle and 20c cheaper per pint/long neck bottle.0 -
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i just felt i should put my own side on this, i work for one of the main suppliers of drinks to the tweedy group of bars but i am also a frequent punter.
The fact is ALL pubs/clubs in waterford and indeed accross the country are experiencing a severe drop in buisness due to the economic downturn (i know, i'm sick of hearing that also!).
I agree that some of the tweedy bars are overpriced such as ruby's niteclub and oxygen niteclub.
Having said this some of the others are really doing their level best to try and attract punters, such as masons (as previously stated) and oscars, in the case of oscars the off licence is what is keeping the place going the bar seems to be doing below average buisness and again this is not down to the staff or managers its just the area or the crowd may not suit and there is not much can be done in this case as i have seen so many times in the past, certainly not much can be done in this present time.
and to clarify the case of the park inn/bad bobs:
this premesis is not part of the tweedy group it is owned by bob tweedy snr, who has had nothing to do with the tweedy group. bob tweedy jnr is the managing director of the tweedy group of bars.
and one last note:
in the case of the woodman bar/the ruby lounge/ruby's niteclub (all part of the same premesis and has the same staff and manager.) The manager of this premesis is possibly one of the best nightcub/bar manager i have ever seen he had a tall order when he took on this job several years ago, this is also evident considering he is relatively young,in his early thirties, and being so successfull in his job, and has rarely been wrong in his decisions.
Now for the other side of this coin, the fact is that the prices are too steep i nearly lost my life when i ordered a single vodka and coke and was told the price was nearly 8.50 this is high by anybody's standards. Having said that this is the way of all night clubs which continually overprice (both on the door and on drink) and are surprised when buisness is down. So we can't put the blame solely on the tweedy group it is the industry standard for years!
and on a slightly personal note i am horrified by the people who seem to already be popping open the champagne over these relevations! for it is not just the 200 odd jobs employed by him there is a domino effect which could devastate the region further! Such as suppliers,the local taxi companies, the local food outlets, the list goes on.......
thank you if you have taken the time to read this.
Rant over!
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To be honest its kind of sickening some of the posts here. Worked there for 4 years myself and to start with you would find it very hard to come across a nicer bunch of staff if you tried. I didnt want to leave but unfortunatly with the way the economy was going I didnt really have a choice. If the business was there I would be back there as fast as my legs would carry me!!
If the renovations were done im sure it would be a totally different story but because there not we can only blame one person for obvious reasons - Mr "McCant". This chap is holding back the whole city!!
Prices of drinks are high i know and its no one elses fault but the government - find me one nightclub/latebar in the country that doesnt have to charge prices as high as this because of insurance,late license etc!!!!!
What I find funny is we have people here saying they cant wait for the place to close yet they are probably one of the first people to walk through the door of the clubs each night!!
Also people who come on and say how unprofessional bar staff in each particular place are - Your actually fantastic sitting at your computer screens putting in comments to make yourself feel better - work a night in there shoes!!!You'll understand then!!
Just to clear a few things up:
Park Inn/Bad Bobs - Bob Snr
Oskars - Leased out
Electric Avenue - Leased out
Drink prices havent gone up in the last year!
You don't seem to realise that if the worst came to the worst its not just the 200 or so working directly for the group that will lose a job - The Tweedy group could be the biggest account for some of the smaller suppliers, No Tweedy group means less work for these companies which means less jobs.
All in all there is 200 or so people working for the Tweedy Group trying to make an honest living for themselves and the last thing we need in this town is the social welfare queue getting longer so instead of sitting there B****ing and moaning, giving out about this and that why not get out and support local businesses as much as you can??? Im sure if the business started to come back to these places then there would be lower drink prices etc
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EoinHeffernan wrote: »Yeah, very lazy on their part by coming up with new ideas to try and attract a crowd.abouttobebanned wrote: »Where do I start. Getting dart boards, pool tables and running poker nights was lazy? Christ...I'd really love you to explain that one. The bar relaunched as a sports bar (at very little cost) new screens were put in and the bar did considerably better as a result. Reducing prices would have been better? All their drinks are €4 Sunday - Thursday. Do a bit more research before your next post methinks.
Poker, Darts and Table Quizzes are NEW ideas? I can play darts anytime in the Mansion House or Showboat and not pay exorbitant prices for drinks. There are quizzes held every Monday night in The Cove, where the drinks are much cheaper. There's poker all over the city any night you want it.
These are not new ideas gentlemen. This is a case of doing what everyone else is doing. That is laziness! I like Masons, I really do (even though I'm too old for the place), but they and their sister bars must've known about the difficulties they were in a long time ago, yet all they tried to do was what other pubs were doing and they were not going to steal clientele from them! New ideas bring in new people.
Oh, and the bit about Masons being a sports bar is loose terminology. A sports bar will have sport on all day long regardless. Showing the big hurling or soccer matches doesn't make it a sports bar. Do Masons show all the horse racing all day? If I go in there on a Friday or Saturday night, will they be showing the boxing, with commentary? No, they will have loud music on! If I go in there next week to watch the Breeders Cup, do you think I'll get to see it?0 -
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abouttobebanned wrote: »Cabaal, in many months here I've noticed you thank a lot of anti-tweedy posts so I'd take your opinion with the tiniest pinch of salt.
As you'll note from a earlier post I was barely aware of what premises he owned so I don't see how I can be anti-tweedy, in fairness I don't even know the chaps first name.
However if you want to be ultra defense of him and his business models and premises and think that I'm anti-tweedy thats just fine even though there's nothing to backup your thinking...but sure work away 0 -
As you'll note from a earlier post I was barely aware of what premises he owned so I don't see how I can be anti-tweedy, in fairness I don't even know the chaps first name.
However if you want to be ultra defense of him and his business models and premises and think that I'm anti-tweedy thats just fine even though there's nothing to backup your thinking...but sure work away
Maybe i'm thinking of someone else then. If I'm mistaken, then I apologise.
I have gone on record on this forum defending a lot of premises - in this particular case I think that the TG is being highly misrepresented, in many cases by people who have nothing to go on but a bias against the bars and clubs in question.0 -
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abouttobebanned wrote: »I have gone on record on this forum defending a lot of premises - in this particular case I think that the TG is being highly misrepresented, in many cases by people who have nothing to go on but a bias against the bars and clubs in question.
Fair enough I know you think the TG has done good for Waterford and I can see where you coming from but bigging Masons up as a sports bar when its clearly not isn't very good
My problem with the TB is the monopoly he has in Waterford, this is awful for any real competition in Waterrford and allows such things as keeping prices high in relation to entry fees and drinks etc.
I think you can agree that no matter how good the TB is he's very much so created a setup where their is very much a lack of any decent compeitition and this is bad no matter what market its in.0 -
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To be honest its kind of sickening some of the posts here. Worked there for 4 years myself and to start with you would find it very hard to come across a nicer bunch of staff if you tried. I didnt want to leave but unfortunatly with the way the economy was going I didnt really have a choice. If the business was there I would be back there as fast as my legs would carry me!!
If the renovations were done im sure it would be a totally different story but because there not we can only blame one person for obvious reasons - Mr "McCant". This chap is holding back the whole city!!
Prices of drinks are high i know and its no one elses fault but the government - find me one nightclub/latebar in the country that doesnt have to charge prices as high as this because of insurance,late license etc!!!!!
What I find funny is we have people here saying they cant wait for the place to close yet they are probably one of the first people to walk through the door of the clubs each night!!
Also people who come on and say how unprofessional bar staff in each particular place are - Your actually fantastic sitting at your computer screens putting in comments to make yourself feel better - work a night in there shoes!!!You'll understand then!!
Just to clear a few things up:
Park Inn/Bad Bobs - Bob Snr
Oskars - Leased out
Electric Avenue - Leased out
Drink prices havent gone up in the last year!
You don't seem to realise that if the worst came to the worst its not just the 200 or so working directly for the group that will lose a job - The Tweedy group could be the biggest account for some of the smaller suppliers, No Tweedy group means less work for these companies which means less jobs.
All in all there is 200 or so people working for the Tweedy Group trying to make an honest living for themselves and the last thing we need in this town is the social welfare queue getting longer so instead of sitting there B****ing and moaning, giving out about this and that why not get out and support local businesses as much as you can??? Im sure if the business started to come back to these places then there would be lower drink prices etc
Rant Over!!!
3 doors up in twister vicks it's €1.20 cheaper for a pint.0 -
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run_Forrest_run wrote: »very dramatic there! Young people with cancer = suffering, young people losing a family member = suffering. Young people now having somewhere to go out and tanked up is not really suffering.
Agreed, not having an expensive pub/club to get pissed is far from suffering
Besides a new place would open...competition would finally happen in Waterford 0 -
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abouttobebanned wrote: »Cabaal, in many months here I've noticed you thank a lot of anti-tweedy posts so I'd take your opinion with the tiniest pinch of salt.
Poker, Darts, and quizzes may not be the newest ideas in the world, but combine them with a foosball table, stock exchange on a wednesday and friday night, and dancers on a friday night and you have something different for the town. Name me one other bar where you can do all that. And I believe the point is bringing these options into a city centre bar. Sure, you can play pool and darts in the show boat but how many visitors to the city will venture up that way? Masons was clearly trying to attract new business to the centre of town. But of course, they're being criticised for it. And, I've been to sports bars in Dublin and London where some of the sports were not audibly shown at night, one in particular becomes a hip hop club at night. There is an area of masons where there are two screens and both have independent audio so if someone wanted to watch the breeders cup or a late night soccer match they could so so in there with audio while the rest of the bar listens to a band or a DJ etc.
And Mr Scully, once again you are ignoring things. I told you that the drinks are €4 from Sunday to thursday and cheap on fridays too with the stock exchange...so that just makes saturday where you probably wouldn't want to play pool or darts with a huge crowd around ya. You see I told you this about the prices...that the bar is cheaper than the mansion or the showboat, but you chose to ignore me. Some people just have a grudge, regardless of what facts are presented to them.
I'm not ignoring you at all. I take your point about the drinks being cheaper, but they're only cheaper on nights with very few people out. If they can have them cheap on those nights, why can't they have them cheap on the other nights? It might ensure that people don't leave there at 11pm and flock to Harveys. As was already mentioned, The Cove and Twister Vicks have cheaper drinks every night.
To be honest, I didn't know about the Stock Exchange night. Sounds kinda interesting, but I have no information on it...and masons.ie doesn't even mention it, or the dancers! That's not a good way to attract new business...
As for having a grudge? I said that I like Masons and I'd be sad if it was gone. I could suggest you were ignoring me on that point
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abouttobebanned wrote: »I get your point, but if we were to bring cancer into every conversation we'd never get anywhere.
"I got a parking fine last night, even though I still had an hour left on my parking ticket" - "Could be worse...could have cancer"
"Dunnes wouldn't take back my jumper that was too big for me!!!" - "could be worse, could have cancer!"
Cancer wasn't mentioned in every other recession type thread on this forum in the past year, I see no reason why it should be mentioned here.
I see your point also, sure anyway back to the topic at hand perhaps? 0 -
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abouttobebanned wrote: »I get your point, but if we were to bring cancer into every conversation we'd never get anywhere.
"I got a parking fine last night, even though I still had an hour left on my parking ticket" - "Could be worse...could have cancer"
"Dunnes wouldn't take back my jumper that was too big for me!!!" - "could be worse, could have cancer!"
Cancer wasn't mentioned in every other recession type thread on this forum in the past year, I see no reason why it should be mentioned here.
Exactly thats all i meant.
Didn't mean to start a war 0
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