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Retr0gamer

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

For me, it'd be like a noob golfer going out and buying the most expensive clubs in the shop, it isn't going to make you any better if you suck, I'd say the sort of improvements wrought by expensive sticks is only noticeable at competition level, not a place I'll be any time... ever!

Well not in this case. SSF4 is unplayable with a 360 or PS3 pad. There's a few players that are exceptionally good that use a pad at the fighting game meet ups but I'd say they would be even better if they switched to a stick.
Also found the game unplayable with the 6 button pad. You are better off with a stick and now you can play all those mame games with an arcade stick.

Funnily enough at competition level they wouldn't let you use that stick since it's wireless. They are banned because of all the trouble setting up wireless controllers are.

pdbhp

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Well not in this case. SSF4 is unplayable with a 360 or PS3 pad. There's a few players that are exceptionally good that use a pad at the fighting game meet ups but I'd say they would be even better if they switched to a stick.
Also found the game unplayable with the 6 button pad. You are better off with a stick and now you can play all those mame games with an arcade stick.

Thats not entirley true the PS pad is pretty good for street fighter and the Xbox pad is ok.
Some of the best players in Ireland use either PS or Xbox pads so it's down to preference really.

CiDeRmAn

How can I use the Xbox 360 wireless fighting stick with Mame?
Do I have to use it with my bluetooth dongle and the PC?
Is this easy to set up?

If so, I can see a spare fighting stick being used in conjunction with the Ikea cocktail cab project, the positioning of the controller is always a problem, but if you can just slip it out of the drawer, it's perfect!

Retr0gamer

Think there's some wireless dongle you can use.

pdbhp wrote: »

Thats not entirley true the PS pad is pretty good for street fighter and the Xbox pad is ok.
Some of the best players in Ireland use either PS or Xbox pads so it's down to preference really.

Well all I can remember is going from arcade sticks, MS sidewinders and saturn pads to the PS1 pad in my older days and finding the game totally unplayable with the PS pad. I know some of our best players are pad players but think they would be so much better if they switched to stick. PS pad at the moment is the best of a very bad bunch for fighting games. You can condition yourself to be good at it, I had to when I had no choice, but it will let you down every so often. SF4 is extremely lenient with inputs and has shortcuts. Get these pad players to play SSF2T or 3rd strike and they would have major trouble.

CiDeRmAn

Well, I have a bluetooth dongle, I'll see if the lappy detects the stick, there is probably a driver out there, then the MAME test.
This could be really interesting!

o1s1n

Nobody should ever play a fighting game with a pad. Those who do are doing themselves a massive disservice. As retr0 said, if they're good with a pad then they'll be far better with a stick. It just lends itself to that type of game so much more than a pad.

It's the same with shooters really. You can get much faster/accurate commands in with a stick. Plus you don't end up with arthritic thumbs.

Myrddin

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Well not in this case. SSF4 is unplayable with a 360 or PS3 pad.

For you maybe it is. A stick is definitely the preffered method, but in no way is a pad 'unplayable'. I managed to clear the game on the hardest setting, no continues, on the 360 pad...took me a while but it's certainly playable.

landsleaving

I actally like the PS pad for fighting games, I'm still better with it than a stick. Probably from playing SFAlpha3 religiously on PS1.

The Xbox pad though, what an abomination. Anything that requires the d-pad is impossible and the stick just hates fighting games.

o1s1n

The ps1 D pad is an absolute abomination. I know a lot of people got very used to it as it was huge here (Including myself)...but it was still an abomination.

James Howlett

Another Gamestop pick-up;

Capcom Fighting Jam
Killer 7
Megaman X7
€11

There was also a copy of Shadow of the Colossus in very good nic on the shelf if anyone is on the hunt fot it (Gamestop Clarehall).

CiDeRmAn

Nicest surprise in a console pad?
The NeoGeo Color pad, an awesome little thumb stick, with lots of beautiful little switches inside, clickety click they go, brilliant. And this was made back in 98 yet years later, none of the consoles have really come close to it.
Weird really.
Worst?
Has to be the nubbin on the PSP, that nasty little analog thingy that is dirt and muck in every way, possibly something that, together with the UMD gave people reason not to buy the thing.
What were they thinking?

Myrddin

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

What were they thinking?

Avgn flashback!

But yeah, that psp analogue grip thing is horrific.

Retr0gamer

EnterNow wrote: »

For you maybe it is. A stick is definitely the preffered method, but in no way is a pad 'unplayable'. I managed to clear the game on the hardest setting, no continues, on the 360 pad...took me a while but it's certainly playable.

It's useable for SF4 but for any other fighting game without it's lenient inputs and shortcuts it really is unplayable on a PS or 360 pad. Just try Garou or 3rd Strike, you'll have a horrible time. A saturn pad or MS sidewinder however are perfect pads for it even though I prefer a stick. As for beating the single player on hardest with no continues, well beating the AI is completely different from taking on a good player.

If you are having trouble with the stick my advice is to practice. It takes a month to get used to it and by that time you'll never go back.

Myrddin

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Well not in this case. SSF4 is unplayable with a 360 or PS3 pad.

Retr0gamer wrote: »

It's useable for SF4

So which is it? :p

Agreed though re the Saturn pad, those things are beautiful for fighting games.

Myrddin

Retr0gamer wrote: »

If you are having trouble with the stick my advice is to practice. It takes a month to get used to it and by that time you'll never go back.

Agreed, I had never played SF4 with a stick until the beers at Ciders. Couldn't get used to it at all, but by the end I was starting to warm to it & found it enjoyable to use.

Retr0gamer

It's hard to get used to them because of the square gates they have are different from a d-pad were left right, up and down are defined by resistances. You can get octo gates for some seimetsu sticks but a lot of people prefer the square gate although I think it's more a personal preference because once you start to use the stick properly you shouldn't be pressing into the resistences at all. You have to learn were they are on square gates which takes some practice. Also not having 6 face buttons is a massive disadvantage because in SF you need access to all 6 buttons because each one is vital to doing well in a match against a good opponent. With the saturn and sidewinder pads you can place your fingers over the buttons like you would on an arcade stick but it's just not possible with 4 face buttons and shoulder buttons.

There's plenty of posts by me on the fighting game forum from when I first got my stick complaining that I'm having trouble with ultra moves and even normal moves but once I got used to it I just now refuse to play on anything that isn't an arcade stick.

Andrew76

EnterNow wrote: »

Agreed, I had never played SF4 with a stick until the beers at Ciders. Couldn't get used to it at all, but by the end I was starting to warm to it & found it enjoyable to use.

Lol at the modesty. Ya hammered everyone that night. :pac:

pdbhp

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Well all I can remember is going from arcade sticks, MS sidewinders and saturn pads to the PS1 pad in my older days and finding the game totally unplayable with the PS pad. I know some of our best players are pad players but think they would be so much better if they switched to stick. PS pad at the moment is the best of a very bad bunch for fighting games. You can condition yourself to be good at it, I had to when I had no choice, but it will let you down every so often. SF4 is extremely lenient with inputs and has shortcuts. Get these pad players to play SSF2T or 3rd strike and they would have major trouble.

Well thats all well and good but having played street fighter with every concievable pad / stick I personally don't se much of a difference and I find some of the ultra moves in SSF4 easier to do on an XBOX pad (strange I know). Further to comment about SSF2T & 3rd Strike I find it even easier to do the moves in those games because of the lack of shortcuts which I find take from the game.
Even in the 90's when SF first arrived on console on SNES I revelled in the pad I just thought it gave more precise control while the stick required more effort.
That said this is my personel opinion on the subject and every SF player has differing ideas.
But even though I've been arguing the toss I'd still say the Stick edges it slightly:D

CiDeRmAn

Going to have to buy a Wireless Dongle thingy for this to work, on ebay for 11 delivered, so I go with that, then, come the new year and I'm a tad mroe flush, I can build my little Ikea cab and have some really nice controls to boot!
Happy days...

pdbhp

EnterNow wrote: »

Agreed, I had never played SF4 with a stick until the beers at Ciders. Couldn't get used to it at all, but by the end I was starting to warm to it & found it enjoyable to use.

You warmed to it... yea you owned with it that night.

Myrddin

Andrew76 wrote: »

Lol at the modesty. Ya hammered everyone that night. :pac:

Well hammered isn't really correct, pdbhb ko'd me in the 1st round of our last fight & very nearly won. I don't believe in bragging, lets call it...beginners luck :D

Myrddin

pdbhp wrote: »

You warmed to it... yea you owned with it that night.

Lol well it's better than saying "Yeah, I found the stick a bit difficult to get used to, despite beating the cr@p out of everyone in the room...twice!!!"....Nah, not my style As I said, beginners luck :pac:

Retr0gamer

pdbhp wrote: »

But even though I've been arguing the toss I'd still say the Stick edges it slightly:D

As far as I see it if it's not good enough for Daigo and Justn Wong, it's not good enough for me. I think the current grandmasters know a lot more than we do!

EnterNow wrote: »

Well hammered isn't really correct, pdbhb ko'd me in the 1st round of our last fight & very nearly won. I don't believe in bragging, lets call it...beginners luck :D

Yeah then you quit 'undefeated'

Andrew76

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

I can build my little Ikea cab and have some really nice controls to boot!

You should document that whenever it kicks off. I'd be interested to see it take shape.

Andrew76

EnterNow wrote: »

...pdbhb ko'd me in the 1st round of our last fight & very nearly won...

Brilliant! "One person took a round off me." :pac:
Not bad at all for never having used a stick before. Although I'll gladly take some of the credit if you like since it was my TE. :P

Myrddin

Retr0gamer wrote: »

As far as I see it if it's not good enough for Daigo and Justn Wong, it's not good enough for me. I think the current grandmasters know a lot more than we do!



Yeah then you quit 'undefeated'

Thats like saying you wouldn't want a Ferrari F430 because Michael Schumacher finds the gear change a bit sluggish. It's like turning away a prime rack of lamb because a food connoiseur thought the temperature of the grill was a degree too high. We arn't grandmasters or connoiseurs man, don't get delusions of grandeur :P

I did indeed, only due to dehydration & rsi. Something Cider is afflicted with, strangely enough when there's lotion in the microwave :pac:

Myrddin

Andrew76 wrote: »

Brilliant! "One person took a round off me." :pac:
Not bad at all for never having used a stick before. Although I'll gladly take some of the credit if you like since it was my TE. :P

Ah now come on...I'm sure I lost more than one round that night, in fact I'm certain I did Yup, by the end I found the stick quite nice to use :cool:

pdbhp

Retr0gamer wrote: »

As far as I see it if it's not good enough for Daigo and Justn Wong, it's not good enough for me. I think the current grandmasters know a lot more than we do

Well that is true though I wouldn't always worry what grand masters are doing as they do be so much better that mere mortals like ourselves that what works for them mightn't work for us.
Maybe I'm only arguing the toss because I don't have a stick and this is the resulting jelous rant;)

Myrddin

Actually Retr0 is a grand master what am I thinking, the grand master of gaming knowledge. The kitchen conversation at that beers you were like a walking wiki man, awesome amounts of info came out of you that night! :cool:

Retr0gamer

It was an epic conversation indeed. Hope there's another meet up again soon. Unfortunately my videogame knowledge isn't helping me write about electron transfer rates in monolayer assemblies at the moment neither it boards.ie though!

CiDeRmAn

Wonder if I should set up an "Enternow and Retr0gamer, praise and blatant sucking up" sticky?
I could surely thin out the thread here by sending those posts on over into a more appropriate place....
It's a god idea me thinks, and don't call me Shirley! (rip Leslie Nielsen)

Myrddin

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

Wonder if I should set up an "Enternow and Retr0gamer, praise and blatant sucking up" sticky?
I could surely thin out the thread here by sending those posts on over into a more appropriate place....
It's a god idea me thinks, and don't call me Shirley! (rip Leslie Nielsen)

Was that your microwave going bing? :pac:

I just thought it seemed a bit like I was picking on poor ol' Retr0, so decided to inflate his ego slightly, after all, this whole forum is in the spirit of goodness isn't it Also, I need to pick Retr0's brain from time to time so need him on the good side of bad

Oh & Retr0, when in doubt, always come back to e=mc2. It solves basically everything, well relatively speaking anyway.

CiDeRmAn

EnterNow wrote: »

Oh & Retr0, when in doubt, always come back to e=mc2. It solves basically everything, well relatively speaking anyway.

You fool, everyone knows it's 42!

Myrddin

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

You fool, everyone knows it's 42!

Whats 42? The electron transfer rates in monolayer assemblies? I'm sorry but Albert, Isaac, Archimedes & myself have to disagree with you there.

pdbhp

EnterNow wrote: »

Whats 42? The electron transfer rates in monolayer assemblies? I'm sorry but Albert, Isaac, Archimedes & myself have to disagree with you there.

You're a sick twisted historic name dropper:pac:

Retr0gamer

42 s^-1?

That would actually make sense. Unfortunately mine are a lot higher meaning my monolayers are crap

CiDeRmAn

I can't believe there are no Hitchhiker fans here, it saddens me deeply how unschooled you all are in the classics...
I have them all in book, radio play, tv and movie form if anyone wants to see them, no lending, feckers would clean me out!

Retr0gamer

I got the joke but I've only seen the terrible film for shame.

o1s1n

Retr0gamer wrote: »

I got the joke but I've only seen the terrible film for shame.

What?! That's pretty shocking. The rubbish recent film is the one thing I haven't seen.

Do yourself a favour and get your hands on the tv series.

CiDeRmAn

The film wasn't rubbish, everyone had their favourite iteration of the stories, each media has it's own unique take on the tale, Douglas changed the story to suit them, in fact I would go so far a to say the movie was as good as could have been expected, imagine the tragic outcome had a big studio got it, handed it to a couple of hacks and let them at it...
Nope, I enjoyed it, but the radio plays from the BBC are pretty definitive.
If anyone wants them I can "lend" you a complete copy of all of them, there's 5 in all, and very very funny they are too...
I also have the Eoin Colfer book being read, also by the BBC, and that's not bad either, despite the bad press.

It all depends really on how old you are and the version that was current, as I am a child of the 70's I would have first read the books and watched the TV before listening to the radio plays.
The game was a big hit in the 80's as well, unfortunately it tends to come with the US book cover artwork,

But it was a big success back in the day.

Now I know what the next tatt is going to be, I was going for the Lamda symbol from Half Life, but now I'm edging towards "Don't Panic", in large friendly letters, down my arm...

CiDeRmAn

o1s1n wrote: »

The rubbish recent film is the one thing I haven't seen.

Having an opinion on something you have yet to try?
Your account has been hijacked!
It's Retr0 isn't it!
I'd recognise that arrogant, GoldenAxe lovin' attitude anywhere!

Come out you louser!

Give o1s1n back his account!

I'll tell!

Dan_Solo

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

The game was a big hit in the 80's as well

There was an unfinished sequel to that game.
Who could forget the pocket fluff and panic resistant sunglasses that came with the packaging. Nobody has ever matched Infocom for cool game boxes.
Back on topic, my Commodore C286 laptop arrived, to add to my C386. Neither have working HDs or batteries, but that's par for the course with laptops from 1990.;)

CiDeRmAn

Dan_Solo wrote: »

panic resistant sunglasses

Sorry to be such a nerd, but they were Peril Sensitive Glasses!
To stop you from being upset by anything in your vicinity that might be dangerous!

Dan_Solo

You're right. I got it mixed up with the "Don't Panic" badge that also shipped with the game. I have one here somewhere actually...

CiDeRmAn

Zaphod had them when he, Ford and Trillian were in the tunnels beneath the surface of Magrathea, just before they were knocked out, by agents of the mice, the glasses, true to function, went completely black, keeping him as cool, hoopy and a frood as ever...

o1s1n

Just back from THE RAGE.

Every time I go in there it's an exercise in restraint. I pick up a load of games...and then have to whittle them down.

I bought Xmen, Fatal Fury and Bloodshot on the Megadrive. I lept on Bloodshot when I saw it. Hard enough game to come across.

His Megadrive selection really has grown dramatically. It's great. There were a good few more games in there I had to hold back on buying.

Atavan-Halen

I know its so tempting having it all laid out in front of you. It's like that buffet restaurant in debenhams. You take what you want and then pay by weight so you go mad loading up everything and anything and then you realise you've spent 371723 euro on food

Retr0gamer

I went into have a look with sarah. Ended up spending 40 euros there

Augmerson

o1s1n wrote: »

Just back from THE RAGE.

Every time I go in there it's an exercise in restraint. I pick up a load of games...and then have to whittle them down.

I bought Xmen, Fatal Fury and Bloodshot on the Megadrive. I lept on Bloodshot when I saw it. Hard enough game to come across.

His Megadrive selection really has grown dramatically. It's great. There were a good few more games in there I had to hold back on buying.

Was in there myself today (and almost slapped off the ground coming up to the place) was having a look around and saw there are alot of new Mega Drive games, that's cool. I picked up Another World as I love it, epic game. Also got Mega Man 2 complete with box and manual, that was only 15 euro which was cool, on the completed listings for eBay it sold last for just under 50 euro

CiDeRmAn

Any sign of Hellfire?
I want